Your cult makes us laugh !
" In these gardens they will have wives of purity and live for ever.." ! so then are you conceding that your current ones are all impure? what nonsense?
Your cult preaches to eat and drink and enjoy women ! Your brand of islam is favourable to the pleasures of the flesh including sodomy ! want to talk about it? but your ahadith ironically denigrates women - the very ones whom you consider as "hurs" ! hahahahah! Imbeciles ! Jokers you all are !
So tell us scooter? what is so special about your "heaven" that you all find so delicious? the women whom you denigrate and ridicule all the time ...right? hahahahahah!!..."a wife should never refuse herself to her husband even if it is on the saddle of a camel" ?.....it is your ahadith !..." impose nudity on women because clothes are one reason for leaving the house..." (said Umar)...so are you doing this?...and then he says..." adopt positions opposite those of women, there is great merit in such opposition..." ...so do you all do this? ....want to hear more ?...zn
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But what does the quran call your Hazar Imam? Foolish and Unjust. All that Imamat down the drain in one ayah. hahahaha!!!
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No it doesn't ! check ! ah ! unless the amazon jungle books are telling you all this huh? okay I understand now ! You are reading fabrications and interpolations !...zn
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Yes it does. You showed me the ayah. Do you want me to point it out to you again? The quran that you quoted calls your Imam foolish and unjust.
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No it doesn't ! the translation itself was done by one of your own script writers who had sold their faith for a pittance and you have also conceded that the translations are variant and fixed ! Your entite TEXT is secrewed up ! ....so first go and listen to the arablic and then establish it's historical context and then read all the subsequent ayats and then bark like an alley dog who has not been given a bone and is hungry and feverish....zn
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JM,
I think there is a slight misunderstanding out here. If you are talking about people who prosecuted Ismailis because of their faith, believe me I would be equally against them as you are. I believe that nobody should be punished or prosecuted because of the faith they follow. All the proud moments posted by your Ismaili friend depicts muslims whom I would equally despise just like you. The debates out here are between those Ismailis who try to prove certain points in the light of Islam which do not make any sense. We start threads like these because people like Pardesi start threads like "Prophet reffered to a Noor of Allah"
Now we all know that Pardesi is least interested in prophet (pbuh) and his noor. His primary motive is to lead us in believing that the Ismailis are right when they refer to their Imam as noor of Allah...
Well in short we do not have anything against your faith but when you try to justify it as Islamic and in the process accuse the primary scriptures used by muslims world wide as corrupt and incomplete these debates are bound to continue...
I think there is a slight misunderstanding out here. If you are talking about people who prosecuted Ismailis because of their faith, believe me I would be equally against them as you are. I believe that nobody should be punished or prosecuted because of the faith they follow. All the proud moments posted by your Ismaili friend depicts muslims whom I would equally despise just like you. The debates out here are between those Ismailis who try to prove certain points in the light of Islam which do not make any sense. We start threads like these because people like Pardesi start threads like "Prophet reffered to a Noor of Allah"
Now we all know that Pardesi is least interested in prophet (pbuh) and his noor. His primary motive is to lead us in believing that the Ismailis are right when they refer to their Imam as noor of Allah...
Well in short we do not have anything against your faith but when you try to justify it as Islamic and in the process accuse the primary scriptures used by muslims world wide as corrupt and incomplete these debates are bound to continue...
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So you concede that you were quoting from screwed up texts and references to Imam Mubeen as being your Hazar Imam are screwed up. Good. That is all that I wanted you to concede. Mission accomplished.
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anajmi,
I have made my own beliefs on the Qu'ran perfectly clear. And while I may be wrong on occation I have never sought to lie nor misrepresent.
I have made my own beliefs on the Qu'ran perfectly clear. And while I may be wrong on occation I have never sought to lie nor misrepresent.
Tithing is without doubt an important part of how every religious community pays for infrastructure and facilities, volunteering though is seen as just as important a form of alms giving if not more so. Alms giving is entirely voluntary and done in private, people who don't pay are never pressured to do so, have the same access and privileges to community infrastructure as everyone else.That is not what the other Ismailis on this board claim. They say that paying this tithe is a command in the quran and point to the ayah in the surah about war booty.
Anyone is welcome to begin the process to convert to our Tariqah if they wish to, we don't seek converts because we accept diversity.You told me sometime back that Ismailis do not invite others into their tariqa. Why? You should accept the diversity too.
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Religious thithes, alms giving or charity MUST be appropriated towards the poor and the needy from bottoms up and not from trickling down. This MUST start from own family members, relatives, friends and acquaintences regardless of race, religion, color or sex.
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jawanmardan,
I wasn't talking about you when I spoke about Ismailis lying and misrepresenting the quran. I was talking about people like znan. However, I did ask you, whether it is an Ismaili perspective that the quran that we have today is a fabrication?
I wasn't talking about you when I spoke about Ismailis lying and misrepresenting the quran. I was talking about people like znan. However, I did ask you, whether it is an Ismaili perspective that the quran that we have today is a fabrication?
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Khums (one fifth)
We read in the Holy Quran:
Know that whatever of a thing you acquire, a fifth of it is for
Allah, for the Messenger, for the near relative, and the orphans
and the needy and they way farer ..... (Quran 8:41)
Thus Khums (literally one fifth of gain) should go to six people:
1. Allah
2. His Messenger
3. The near relative of the Messenger (Ahlul-Bayt)
4. Orphan
5. needy
6. the person who has fallen away from his home-town (and has no money to
comeback to his own place).
This issue hinges on the "return of the Amanat (imanat) and so whosoever fails to fulfill his trust is unjust and ignorant !
How did some muslims fix 2.5% as sadaqa? show us the basis? what was the benchmark? who fixed this benchmark? is there any percentage indication of 2.5% in the Quran?
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Khums (one fifth)
We read in the Holy Quran:
Know that whatever of a thing you acquire, a fifth of it is for
Allah, for the Messenger, for the near relative, and the orphans
and the needy and they way farer ..... (Quran 8:41)
Thus Khums (literally one fifth of gain) should go to six people:
1. Allah
2. His Messenger
3. The near relative of the Messenger (Ahlul-Bayt)
4. Orphan
5. needy
6. the person who has fallen away from his home-town (and has no money to
comeback to his own place).
This issue hinges on the "return of the Amanat (imanat) and so whosoever fails to fulfill his trust is unjust and ignorant !
How did some muslims fix 2.5% as sadaqa? show us the basis? what was the benchmark? who fixed this benchmark? is there any percentage indication of 2.5% in the Quran?
zn
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In the verse of Khums the expression "ghanimtum" (ghanimat) has been used which has
been translated as 'you acquire'.
As explained above, it means, 'certain items which a person acquires as wealth'. What are these certain items?
According to the hadiths of the Ahl al-Bayt Imams, the items that are
eligible for Khums are seven, and they are
1. the profit or the surplus of income
2. the legitimate wealth which is mixed with the illegitimate
wealth
3. mines and minerals
4. the precious stones obtained from sea by diving
5. treasures
6. the land which a dhimmi kafir buys from a muslim
7. the spoils of war.
One should also note that during the history of Islam till now, the
descendants of the prophet were being prosecuted every where and were
deprived of their rights.
Also a minority among Muslims continue to pay
Khums (i.e., only Shia follow this Sunnah of the Prophet). In other words,
only 20% of all Muslims pay Khums ....the majority have failed to "return the amanat" of God and so have remained unjust and ignorant !
zn
been translated as 'you acquire'.
As explained above, it means, 'certain items which a person acquires as wealth'. What are these certain items?
According to the hadiths of the Ahl al-Bayt Imams, the items that are
eligible for Khums are seven, and they are
1. the profit or the surplus of income
2. the legitimate wealth which is mixed with the illegitimate
wealth
3. mines and minerals
4. the precious stones obtained from sea by diving
5. treasures
6. the land which a dhimmi kafir buys from a muslim
7. the spoils of war.
One should also note that during the history of Islam till now, the
descendants of the prophet were being prosecuted every where and were
deprived of their rights.
Also a minority among Muslims continue to pay
Khums (i.e., only Shia follow this Sunnah of the Prophet). In other words,
only 20% of all Muslims pay Khums ....the majority have failed to "return the amanat" of God and so have remained unjust and ignorant !
zn
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However there are some people who interpret the word ghanimtum (ghanimat) as 'whatever
of a thing that you acquire as spoils of war', thus confining the
obligation of khums to the spoils of war only. The interpretation is based
on ignorance of
* the Arabic langauage
* the history of khums
* the Islamic laws
* and the interpretation of the Quran
Please bear in mind that the word ghanimtum has been derived from al-
ghanimah....and so they have fallen into misguidance and hence the Quran terms them as being unjust and foolish !
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The meaning of the word Ghanimtum
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The famous Arabic dictionary of al-Munjid (Father Louis Maluf of Beirut)
states, al-ghanim and al-ghanimah means
* what is taken from the fighting enemies by force
* all earnings generally
Furthermore the saying "al-ghunm bil ghurm" means that profit stands
against expenses, i.e, the owner is the sole proprieter of the profit and
nobody shares it with him, therefore only he bears all the expenses and
risk.
For the readers satisfaction, they are also encouraged to look up
dictionaries like Lisan al-Arab and al-Qamus.
This implies that in the Arabic langauge ' al-ghanimah ' has two meanings,
one is the spoils of war, and the other is profit.
The above quoted proverb also proves profit is not an uncommon meaning.
When a word in the Quran can interpreted in more than one way, it is incumbent upon the muslims to seek guidance from the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) and the Ahl al-Bayt.
So don't waste time talking to people from the Pit latrines !
zn
of a thing that you acquire as spoils of war', thus confining the
obligation of khums to the spoils of war only. The interpretation is based
on ignorance of
* the Arabic langauage
* the history of khums
* the Islamic laws
* and the interpretation of the Quran
Please bear in mind that the word ghanimtum has been derived from al-
ghanimah....and so they have fallen into misguidance and hence the Quran terms them as being unjust and foolish !
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The meaning of the word Ghanimtum
=================================
The famous Arabic dictionary of al-Munjid (Father Louis Maluf of Beirut)
states, al-ghanim and al-ghanimah means
* what is taken from the fighting enemies by force
* all earnings generally
Furthermore the saying "al-ghunm bil ghurm" means that profit stands
against expenses, i.e, the owner is the sole proprieter of the profit and
nobody shares it with him, therefore only he bears all the expenses and
risk.
For the readers satisfaction, they are also encouraged to look up
dictionaries like Lisan al-Arab and al-Qamus.
This implies that in the Arabic langauge ' al-ghanimah ' has two meanings,
one is the spoils of war, and the other is profit.
The above quoted proverb also proves profit is not an uncommon meaning.
When a word in the Quran can interpreted in more than one way, it is incumbent upon the muslims to seek guidance from the Holy Prophet (PBUH&HF) and the Ahl al-Bayt.
So don't waste time talking to people from the Pit latrines !
zn
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The History of Khums
====================
Khums is one of those things which were introduced by Abdul Muttalib (RA)
the grandfather of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and it continued in Islam when it
was revealed in Quran.
Acting upon a command of God given to him in his
dream, when Abdul Muttalib rediscovered the well of Zamzam, he found in it
many valuable things that were buried in it very remote past by the
Ismailites when they feared that their enemies would usurp them.
When Abdul Muttalib found that buried treasure, he gave away one fifth ( literally
khums ) in the way of God and kept the remaining four fifth to himself.
Then it became a custom in his family to and after the Hijrah of the
Prophet (PBUH&HF) the same system was incorporated in Islam.
Thus the first khums was not given from the spoils of war, but from a buried treasure
(which is one of the seven items eligible for khums ).
zn
====================
Khums is one of those things which were introduced by Abdul Muttalib (RA)
the grandfather of the Prophet (PBUH&HF), and it continued in Islam when it
was revealed in Quran.
Acting upon a command of God given to him in his
dream, when Abdul Muttalib rediscovered the well of Zamzam, he found in it
many valuable things that were buried in it very remote past by the
Ismailites when they feared that their enemies would usurp them.
When Abdul Muttalib found that buried treasure, he gave away one fifth ( literally
khums ) in the way of God and kept the remaining four fifth to himself.
Then it became a custom in his family to and after the Hijrah of the
Prophet (PBUH&HF) the same system was incorporated in Islam.
Thus the first khums was not given from the spoils of war, but from a buried treasure
(which is one of the seven items eligible for khums ).
zn
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The Islamic Laws
================
Not a single Islamic school confines the meaning of ghanimah to the spoils
of war. In addition to the spoils of war the following items are subjected
to khums
* minerals: eligible in the Hanafi and the Shia
* buried treasure: eligible for all the muslims.
As already mentioned earlier, the interpretation of the Quran must be based
on the teachings of the Ahl al-Bayt. The word ghanimah in the verse under
discussion has been clearly interpreted as "the earned profit" (al-
fa'idatul muktasabah) by our Imams.
=====================
Some Sunni References
=====================
To conclude, we can say that the word ghanima was never treated as being
confined to the spoils of war by any Islamic school; and as far as our
Imams are concerned, it meant many things besides the spoils of war right
from the day of Imam Ali ( peace be upon him ), as many authentic
traditions show.
What has been quoted above is substantiated from the practice of the Holy
Prophet (PBUH&HF) as well. For example when the Prophet (PBUH&HF) sent Amr
bin Hazm to Yemen, he wrote instructions in which, among many other things,
he says ' ... to gather khums of Allah from the gains [ of Yemenis ].
Please refer to
* Ibn Khaldun, Tarikh Volume 2 part II p54 ( Beirut 1971 )
* Ibn Kathir, al-Bidayah wan Nihayah Volume 5 p76-77 ( Beirut 1966 )
* Ibn Hisham, Sirah Volume 4 p179 ( Beirut 1975 )
And when the tribe of Bani Kilal of Yemen sent Khums to the Prophet, the
later acknowledges it by saying, ' Your messenger has returned and you have
paid the khums of Allah from the gains ( al-ghanaim ). ' Please refer to
* Abu Ubayd, al-Amwal p13 ( Beirut 1981 )
* al-Hakim, al-Mustadrak Volume 1 p395 ( Hyderabad 1340 A.H )
* Jafar Murtada al-Amili, al-Sahih fi Sirat al-Nabi Volume 3 p309
( Qum 1983 )
It is very interesting to note that the Bani Kilal obeyed Prophet's order
and sent the khums of gains to him while no war had taken place between the
muslims and the un-believers.
This is a clear indication that khums was not
restricted by the Prophet (PBUH&HF) to the Spoils of War!
The importance given by the Prophet (PBUH&HF) to the issue of Khums can
also be seen in his advice to the delegation of Bani Abdul Qays.
It seems that Bani Abdul Qays ( which was a branch of Rabiah ) was not a very strong
tribe. More over in order to travel to Medina, they had to cross an area
inhabited by the Muzar tribe, which was against the muslims. Consequently,
the Bani Abdul Qays could not travel safely to Medina except during the
months in which war fare was forbidden according to the Arab custom.
Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 4.327 (pages 212-213)
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
The delegates of the tribe of Abdul Qais came and said: `O Allah's
Apostle ! We are from the tribe of Rabia and between us and you stand
stand the infidels of the tribe of Mudar, so we cannot come to you
except in the Haram Months.
So please order us some instructions that
we may apply it to ourselves and also invite our people left behind us
to observe as well. ' The Prophet (PBUH) said: `I order you to do four
(4) things and forbid you to do four (4): I order you to believe in
Allah, that is, to testify that None has the right to be worshipped
but Allah (the Prophet (PBUH) pointed with his hand) ; to offer
prayers perfectly, to pay Zakat, to fast the month of Ramadhan, and to
pay the Khums.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Considering the facts that they travelled in the haram months ( when the
war fare ) was forbidden, the circumstances of the Bani Abdul Qays who were
weak and small in numbers ( evident from their travelling in the haram
months ), it leaves no room for interpreting the application of khums in
the above hadith on the spoils of war exclusively! Please refer for the
above hadith to
* Sahih Bukhari Volume 4 pp 212-213 ( Beirut )
* Abu Ubayd, al-Amwal p13 ( Beirut 1981 )
zn
The Islamic Laws
================
Not a single Islamic school confines the meaning of ghanimah to the spoils
of war. In addition to the spoils of war the following items are subjected
to khums
* minerals: eligible in the Hanafi and the Shia
* buried treasure: eligible for all the muslims.
As already mentioned earlier, the interpretation of the Quran must be based
on the teachings of the Ahl al-Bayt. The word ghanimah in the verse under
discussion has been clearly interpreted as "the earned profit" (al-
fa'idatul muktasabah) by our Imams.
=====================
Some Sunni References
=====================
To conclude, we can say that the word ghanima was never treated as being
confined to the spoils of war by any Islamic school; and as far as our
Imams are concerned, it meant many things besides the spoils of war right
from the day of Imam Ali ( peace be upon him ), as many authentic
traditions show.
What has been quoted above is substantiated from the practice of the Holy
Prophet (PBUH&HF) as well. For example when the Prophet (PBUH&HF) sent Amr
bin Hazm to Yemen, he wrote instructions in which, among many other things,
he says ' ... to gather khums of Allah from the gains [ of Yemenis ].
Please refer to
* Ibn Khaldun, Tarikh Volume 2 part II p54 ( Beirut 1971 )
* Ibn Kathir, al-Bidayah wan Nihayah Volume 5 p76-77 ( Beirut 1966 )
* Ibn Hisham, Sirah Volume 4 p179 ( Beirut 1975 )
And when the tribe of Bani Kilal of Yemen sent Khums to the Prophet, the
later acknowledges it by saying, ' Your messenger has returned and you have
paid the khums of Allah from the gains ( al-ghanaim ). ' Please refer to
* Abu Ubayd, al-Amwal p13 ( Beirut 1981 )
* al-Hakim, al-Mustadrak Volume 1 p395 ( Hyderabad 1340 A.H )
* Jafar Murtada al-Amili, al-Sahih fi Sirat al-Nabi Volume 3 p309
( Qum 1983 )
It is very interesting to note that the Bani Kilal obeyed Prophet's order
and sent the khums of gains to him while no war had taken place between the
muslims and the un-believers.
This is a clear indication that khums was not
restricted by the Prophet (PBUH&HF) to the Spoils of War!
The importance given by the Prophet (PBUH&HF) to the issue of Khums can
also be seen in his advice to the delegation of Bani Abdul Qays.
It seems that Bani Abdul Qays ( which was a branch of Rabiah ) was not a very strong
tribe. More over in order to travel to Medina, they had to cross an area
inhabited by the Muzar tribe, which was against the muslims. Consequently,
the Bani Abdul Qays could not travel safely to Medina except during the
months in which war fare was forbidden according to the Arab custom.
Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 4.327 (pages 212-213)
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
The delegates of the tribe of Abdul Qais came and said: `O Allah's
Apostle ! We are from the tribe of Rabia and between us and you stand
stand the infidels of the tribe of Mudar, so we cannot come to you
except in the Haram Months.
So please order us some instructions that
we may apply it to ourselves and also invite our people left behind us
to observe as well. ' The Prophet (PBUH) said: `I order you to do four
(4) things and forbid you to do four (4): I order you to believe in
Allah, that is, to testify that None has the right to be worshipped
but Allah (the Prophet (PBUH) pointed with his hand) ; to offer
prayers perfectly, to pay Zakat, to fast the month of Ramadhan, and to
pay the Khums.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Considering the facts that they travelled in the haram months ( when the
war fare ) was forbidden, the circumstances of the Bani Abdul Qays who were
weak and small in numbers ( evident from their travelling in the haram
months ), it leaves no room for interpreting the application of khums in
the above hadith on the spoils of war exclusively! Please refer for the
above hadith to
* Sahih Bukhari Volume 4 pp 212-213 ( Beirut )
* Abu Ubayd, al-Amwal p13 ( Beirut 1981 )
zn
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The Quran that WE Sh'ias have is the Quran of Allah ! What texts you have is a FABRICATION of your script writers and the entire world knows this and your scholars too have admitted it and I have shown you the evidence too....so what are you asking JM? again trying to get a straw to hold onto because you are drowning?...go and ride MF scooters !...zn
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And even though you have this quran (which is just a lie) you still can't quote from it. You've been quoting fabrications and getting hammered. What a joke!!
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I am asking jawanmardan because he may choose not to reply but he won't lie. Even his non-replies give me an answer. You are simply a fake and a fabricator. Like a fool you disclosed your identity and then like an even bigger idiot you proved that your Imam is foolish and unjust. What a joker!! HAHAHAHA
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anajmi,
I don't believe that the Qu'ran is either incomplete nor corrupt and was never taught as such. I have stated my views on tahreef before, concerning Imam Mahdi as well.
If I don't reply, its usually because a post is deliberately provocative, or insulting toward my culture and/or faith. Or simply because I'm busy; I have a marriage to plan, I don't have secure employment as I work in film/television production which is always freelance thus a struggle as im not established. This and removing one wing off of endangered butterflies are some of the few kicks I get.
I don't believe that the Qu'ran is either incomplete nor corrupt and was never taught as such. I have stated my views on tahreef before, concerning Imam Mahdi as well.
If I don't reply, its usually because a post is deliberately provocative, or insulting toward my culture and/or faith. Or simply because I'm busy; I have a marriage to plan, I don't have secure employment as I work in film/television production which is always freelance thus a struggle as im not established. This and removing one wing off of endangered butterflies are some of the few kicks I get.
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jawanmardan,
Are you planning your own marriage? If so, then congratulations and this time around, get ready for your own wings being clipped.
znan,
Looks like your Imam is making a fool out of you. He is teaching you the opposite of what he is teaching jawanmardan. He probably realized what you are worth.
Are you planning your own marriage? If so, then congratulations and this time around, get ready for your own wings being clipped.
znan,
Looks like your Imam is making a fool out of you. He is teaching you the opposite of what he is teaching jawanmardan. He probably realized what you are worth.
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anajmi,
More preliminary arrangements, Shes from a moderate yet socially conservative Sunni family, I'm Isma'il. Shes American, I'm European. She likes PCs, I'm a long term Mac user. Shes Hip Hop, I'm more Jazz. Shes In school, im a long time graduate. considering all of this, plus the economy where it is, I am inclined to set take a measured pace.
Ultimately I don't believe the Imams have spoken of Tahreef in any of our books, I know it was popular with Twelver Shia pre revolutionary Iran, but I don't believe most Mujtahids believe in Tahreef today.
More preliminary arrangements, Shes from a moderate yet socially conservative Sunni family, I'm Isma'il. Shes American, I'm European. She likes PCs, I'm a long term Mac user. Shes Hip Hop, I'm more Jazz. Shes In school, im a long time graduate. considering all of this, plus the economy where it is, I am inclined to set take a measured pace.
Ultimately I don't believe the Imams have spoken of Tahreef in any of our books, I know it was popular with Twelver Shia pre revolutionary Iran, but I don't believe most Mujtahids believe in Tahreef today.
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jawanmardan,
Don't tell znan you are marrying a sunni, otherwise she will have a heart attack. And from all that you've stated, I'd suggest you go shopping again.
Don't tell znan you are marrying a sunni, otherwise she will have a heart attack. And from all that you've stated, I'd suggest you go shopping again.
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Hahahahah dumbo ! what if told you I am already married to one ? would you freak out ?...did I not say to you at some point in time that some of my best friends are Sunnis?.....but facts are facts ! I have a basis to say what I have said and you have not been able to answer most of my questions...would it surprise you if i said that many sunnis are lovable folks unlike you guys from the Pit latrines?....so stop barking ! we are arguing here on the basis of evidence and merit...not on bigotry and falsehoods that you propagate.....zn
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Yes! ofcourse We have never said that the Quran, as revealed and as protected by his successors i incomplete or corrupt....not at all ! The TEXTS of this cult is all screwed up and the evidence is overwhelming despite whatever you may want to say......if you wish to challenge me then first of all answer my questions and then I ask more and let everyone judge for themselves.....otherwsie cut the farce of diplomacy !...zn
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znan,what if told you I am already married to one ?
I wasn't talking about you wanting to marry jawanmardan (HAHAHAHA!! what an idiot). I was simply referring to jawanmardan marrying a sunni girl. Is that how you understand any text? No wonder you shoot your own foot every time you open your mouth. What a joker!!
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Another joke from the joker. A basis which is hidden that no one has seen and no one can corroborate. If only everyone was as stupid as her!!I have a basis to say what I have said
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No dumbo ! looks like you are idiotic ! why would I have a heart attack if JM marries a woman he loves and of his choice unlike in your cult where you are like sheep herded and imposed?....so i am responding correctly that most sunnis are lovable folks unlike you guys from the latrine....zn
Re: Deedar (Darshan) of Maula
Is that why you and your scooters have not been able to answer most of the questions?
Ok...so tell me if touching the palm of a woman will send you into the hell of a fire, then is it okay according to your texts to touch women anywhere else? is that why you do that?
do you make your veggies move around naked in the house as per Umar's directive? why not? don't you respect his desires?
why are you waiting for "pure" women in the heavens? are the ones you have now impure? or were they not virgins?....now answer me so I can ask you more !....I am using your own ahadith as a basis to raise these questions !...zn
Ok...so tell me if touching the palm of a woman will send you into the hell of a fire, then is it okay according to your texts to touch women anywhere else? is that why you do that?
do you make your veggies move around naked in the house as per Umar's directive? why not? don't you respect his desires?
why are you waiting for "pure" women in the heavens? are the ones you have now impure? or were they not virgins?....now answer me so I can ask you more !....I am using your own ahadith as a basis to raise these questions !...zn
Re: Deedar (Darshan) of Maula
I have told you. You won't be getting any answers from me as you are a liar and a fabricator. You proved your Imam is foolish and unjust. I won't answer your questions, I will just let you shoot yourself in the foot like a moron. Any woman, even a veggie, would be better than you. Just ask your husband. HAHAHA!!
Re: Deedar (Darshan) of Maula
Ofcourse ! everyone knows you don't have answers ! You are ignorant, unjust and foolish ! the ayat you have been twisting even talks of you and your ancestors !
" SHAKIR: Surely We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to be unfaithful to it and feared from it, and man has turned unfaithful to it; surely he is unjust, ignorant....
Like I said you are doomed ! Allah is now chastising you as Muhamad is no longer amongst you ...
“Indeed, those who disbelieve and oppress the family of the Prophet, denying them their rights, then Allah will never forgive them.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
Those who have who disbelieved and oppress the family of the Prophet, denying them their rights, if only they knew by what overturning they would be overturned.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide
Even the Angels keep away from the people in black clothes.Abdullah bin Omru Aass has reported that he was wearing clothes dyed with the kusm bark and went to see the Holy Prophet who told him to shun such clothes as that was the colour of kafireen.
The Holy Prophet ordered him to go and burn them. (Mishkaat,No.4111).Speaking about his enemies and the enemies of Ahlul-Bait the Holy Prophet said:
"The sign of our enemies will be that they will wear black clothes."
This is your value and worth Najmi et al !
zn
" SHAKIR: Surely We offered the trust to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, but they refused to be unfaithful to it and feared from it, and man has turned unfaithful to it; surely he is unjust, ignorant....
Like I said you are doomed ! Allah is now chastising you as Muhamad is no longer amongst you ...
“Indeed, those who disbelieve and oppress the family of the Prophet, denying them their rights, then Allah will never forgive them.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide 85)
Those who have who disbelieved and oppress the family of the Prophet, denying them their rights, if only they knew by what overturning they would be overturned.” (Amir-Moezzi Divine Guide
Even the Angels keep away from the people in black clothes.Abdullah bin Omru Aass has reported that he was wearing clothes dyed with the kusm bark and went to see the Holy Prophet who told him to shun such clothes as that was the colour of kafireen.
The Holy Prophet ordered him to go and burn them. (Mishkaat,No.4111).Speaking about his enemies and the enemies of Ahlul-Bait the Holy Prophet said:
"The sign of our enemies will be that they will wear black clothes."
This is your value and worth Najmi et al !
zn