Mr.Right,
MORE ON IRAN'S SHIA GOVT'S TERRORISM ACTS :-
Iran FM calls on Muslims to 'erase' Israel
Sunday, 01 June 2008
AFP: Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki called on the world's Muslims on Sunday to work to "erase" Israel, in the latest verbal attack by Tehran against the Jewish state
Former Iran Revolutionary Guards commander in S. Arabia
Monday, 02 June 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, Jun. 02 - The former commandant of Iran's elite Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), wanted for his involvement in a spate of international terrorist attacks, is currently in Saudi Arabia, Iran Focus has learnt.
Iran vows to continue support for Hamas
Thursday, 05 June 2008
Iran Focus: Tehran, Iran, Jun. 05 - Iran’s new Majlis Speaker has reiterated that the Tehran government continues to support Hamas in Palestine, state media reported on Thursday.
Special forces find proof of Iran supplying Taliban with equipment to fight British
Sunday, 22 June 2008
The Observer: British special forces operating on the border between Afghanistan and Iran have uncovered fresh evidence that Tehran is actively backing insurgents fighting UK troops.
Gemayel accuses Iran of using Hizbullah to hold Lebanon hostage
Saturday, 09 August 2008
Daily Star: Former President Amine Gemayel said in remarks published Thursday that Lebanon was being held hostage by Iran, adding that Hizbullah's authority stretched beyond that of the Lebanese state
Hezbollah presence in Venezuela feared
Wednesday, 27 August 2008
Los Angeles Times: The Lebanese Shiite militia, linked to deadly attacks in Argentina in the 1990s, may be taking advantage of Chavez's ties with its ally Iran, terrorism experts say.
Taliban claim weapons supplied by Iran
Monday, 15 September 2008
Daily Telegraph: A Taliban commander has credited Iranian-supplied weapons with successful operations against coalition forces in Afghanistan. The comments by the commander, who would not be named but operates in the south east of the country where there has been a surge in Taliban attacks, were a rare admission of co-operation between elements within the Iranian regime and forces fighting British and American troops in Afghanistan.
U.S. charges foreigners with illegal sales to Iran
Wednesday, 17 September 2008
Reuters: The United States slapped sanctions on six Iranian military firms on Wednesday and charged 16 foreign companies and individuals with illegally obtaining U.S. military goods for Tehran, including microchips that can be used to trigger roadside bombs.
Argentina urges Iran to allow trials for bombings
Tuesday, 23 September 2008
Bloomberg: Argentine President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner called on Iran to extradite five former officials to stand trial for a 1994 bombing of a Jewish community center in Buenos Aires that killed 85 people and injured 150
Commander: Iran arming Mideast 'liberation armies'
Monday, 27 October 2008
AP: An Iranian government Web site is quoting a top Revolutionary Guards commander as saying Iran supplies weapons to "liberation armies" in the Middle East
Iran receives al Qaeda praise for role in terrorist attacks
Monday, 24 November 2008
Daily Telegraph: Fresh links between Iran's Revolutionary Guards and al-Qaeda have been uncovered following interception of a letter from the terrorist leadership that hails Tehran's support for a recent attack on the American embassy in Yemen, which killed 16 people.
Iran urges Lebanese to unite against Israel
Tuesday, 25 November 2008
Reuters: Iran, a main backer of Lebanon's Shi'ite group Hezbollah, urged the Lebanese people on Tuesday to unite to confront Israel, the Islamic Republic's arch foe.
Mola Ali (a.s.)
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Br. Right
you are from typical Shia ignorant lot who does not know History of Islam and still crying over 1400 year old spilled milk. It is about time you stop worshipping Ali, Hussain, Burhanuddin and Hazir Imam, stop worshipping living and dead people and start worshipping Allah SWT.
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you are from typical Shia ignorant lot who does not know History of Islam and still crying over 1400 year old spilled milk. It is about time you stop worshipping Ali, Hussain, Burhanuddin and Hazir Imam, stop worshipping living and dead people and start worshipping Allah SWT.
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Ghulam, The difference is Iranian terrorism is state sponsored, like American or Israeli terrorism; The only religious dimension is Iran is an Islamic republic, and its appeal is based on religious conviction. However ultimately its objective is strategic; to serve the interests of the right wing Mujtahids and the influence of the Islamic Iranian State.
Sunni Islam is based on individual interpretation, and has has no central leadership. Most Sunni do not subscribe to terrorism as most Shia do not. However the theology of Ibn Tamiyyah, Ibn Wahab, and Sayyid Qutb have manifested in an uncontrollable ideology in which terrorism random targets civilians, with no obvious strategic benefit, perpetuated by ordinary citizens who believe they are doing he will of God. There is no central leadership with which to negotiate, no obvious objectives they are trying to achieve, their demands as witnessed in Mumbai were incoherent rants.
Sunni Islam is based on individual interpretation, and has has no central leadership. Most Sunni do not subscribe to terrorism as most Shia do not. However the theology of Ibn Tamiyyah, Ibn Wahab, and Sayyid Qutb have manifested in an uncontrollable ideology in which terrorism random targets civilians, with no obvious strategic benefit, perpetuated by ordinary citizens who believe they are doing he will of God. There is no central leadership with which to negotiate, no obvious objectives they are trying to achieve, their demands as witnessed in Mumbai were incoherent rants.
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Br.Jawanmardan,
Under no circumstances do I applaud terrorism whether be it sunni or shia because it only causes havoc and destruction and loss of innocent human lives. The context in which I had posted the message on shia terrorism was only an answer to Mr.Right's biased views and nothing else. We all know that there are terrorist groups within muslim sects and other religions too and it it is senseless to link terrorism to a particular religion because no religion permits killings of innocent people.
Under no circumstances do I applaud terrorism whether be it sunni or shia because it only causes havoc and destruction and loss of innocent human lives. The context in which I had posted the message on shia terrorism was only an answer to Mr.Right's biased views and nothing else. We all know that there are terrorist groups within muslim sects and other religions too and it it is senseless to link terrorism to a particular religion because no religion permits killings of innocent people.
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[quoteBr. Right
you are from typical Shia ignorant lot who does not know History of Islam and still crying over 1400 year old spilled milk. It is about time you stop worshipping Ali, Hussain, Burhanuddin and Hazir Imam, stop worshipping living and dead people and start worshipping Allah SWT.
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Look who is talking, the leader of Jahaliya! He and his side kicks have yet to tell me name of one book, apart from Qur'an and Bukhari, from which they have acquired their knowledge of Islam.
Nobody is worshipping Ali, Hussain and Hazir Imam. It is all in your ignorant mind. You want to believe that and you want to preach that. Apart from that there is no truth in your accusations. Now go hang yourself from your pillars!
Prophet is not dead and neither are Ali and Hussain. Hmmmm, now who said that the Prophet was dead? Umar did, and you are Umar's Ummat! No wonder!Their bodies may be dead, but their souls are eternal. Re-read the Qur'an again and see for yourself what the status of Shahids is. Ali and Hussain were both Shahids.
you are from typical Shia ignorant lot who does not know History of Islam and still crying over 1400 year old spilled milk. It is about time you stop worshipping Ali, Hussain, Burhanuddin and Hazir Imam, stop worshipping living and dead people and start worshipping Allah SWT.
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Look who is talking, the leader of Jahaliya! He and his side kicks have yet to tell me name of one book, apart from Qur'an and Bukhari, from which they have acquired their knowledge of Islam.
Nobody is worshipping Ali, Hussain and Hazir Imam. It is all in your ignorant mind. You want to believe that and you want to preach that. Apart from that there is no truth in your accusations. Now go hang yourself from your pillars!
As for your above statement, why don't you practice what you preach. You consider Prophet S.A.W. dead, so why are you reciting the shahada in present tense.stop worshipping living and dead people and start worshipping Allah SWT.
Prophet is not dead and neither are Ali and Hussain. Hmmmm, now who said that the Prophet was dead? Umar did, and you are Umar's Ummat! No wonder!Their bodies may be dead, but their souls are eternal. Re-read the Qur'an again and see for yourself what the status of Shahids is. Ali and Hussain were both Shahids.
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MF
STARTLING CONFESSIONS
November 29th, 2007
STARTLING CONFESSIONS
Let us examine the personal confessions of some of the most ancient and foremost “Imams” (’Canonical’ authorities) who narrated History, Hadith (Prophetic sayings and traditions), laid down Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) and did Tafseer (explanation) of the Quran.
IMAM RAZI’S HORRIBLE CONFESSION:
Most Muslims have heard of one of the most ancient and famous Tafseer-e-Kabeer (The Great Exposition of the Quran) by Imam Fakhruddin Razi.
This Tafseer is one of the tops being followed by our Mullahs till this day.
After writing his 300 volumes, ‘the great and authoritative’ Imam confesses: “All my intellectual and supposedly logical statements in the explanation of the Quran turned out to be lame.
All the explanations of the Quran done by the so-called Imams (Tabari, Zamakhshari, Ibne Kathir, Bukhari, Muslim etc) are misguided and misleading.
All of us were the tools of Satan. Our souls were polluted by our physical desires. All our endeavors and works of this world promise to bring upon us nothing but eternal humiliation, torture and doom.”
Hadith-Ul-Quran by Allama Inayatullah Khan Al-Mashriqi, 1954 edition, Pg 190.
IMAM TABARI’S STRANGE CONFESSION:
“I am writing this book as I hear from the narrators. If anything sounds absurd, I should not be blamed or held accountable. The responsibility of all blunders rests squarely on the shoulders of those who have narrated these stories to me.”
So, Tabari wrote nothing but hearsay. Mazhabi Dastanain Aur Un Ki Haqeeqat by Allama Habib-ur-Rahman Siddiqui Kandhalwi, Ar-Rahman Publishing Trust, Karachi
Tareekhil Umam Wal Mulook (The History of Nations and Kings) popularly called “The Mother of All Histories” is the first ever “History of Islam” written by ‘Imam’ Tabari (839-923 CE) at the junction of the third and fourth century AH. He died in 310 AH, three centuries after the exalted Prophet. What were his sources? Not a scrap of paper! “He told me this who heard it from him who heard it from her and she heard it from so and so,” and so on.
By compiling his 13 Volume History and his 30 Volume Exposition of the Quran under royal patronage, Tabari became the Super Imam.
The later historians until this day have persisted in following the trails of the Super Imam. Imam Zahri Wa Imam Tabari, Tasweer Ka Doosra Rukh by Muhaddith-ul-‘Asr Jaame’-ul-‘Uloom Hazrat Allama Tamanna Imadi Phulwari, Ar-Rahman Publishing Trust, Karachi
IMAM IBN KATHIR’S CONFESSION: “Had Ibn Jareer Tabari not recorded the strange reports, I would never have done so.” Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Khilaafat-e-Mu’awiya-o-Yazeed, Mahmood Ahmed Abbasi
IMAM AHMAD BIN HANBAL’S CHASTISEMENT: The sincere Islamic scholar of the 20th century, Allama Shibli Na’mani, on page 27 Vol 1 of his Seeratun Nabi has given a startling quote of the ancient Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (d. 241 AH), “Three kinds of books are absolutely unfounded, Maghazi, Malahem and Tafseer.” (The Prophet’s Battles, Dreams & Prophecies and Expositions of the Quran.)
HISTORIAN IBN KHALDOON’S THRASHING: “The Muslim historians have made a mockery of history by filling it with fabrications and senseless lies.”
Muqaddama Tareekh Ibn Khaldoon. [Ibn Khaldoon then himself makes a mockery of history. Allama Sir Muhammad Iqbal points out that there is nothing worth reading in his book but the preface, Muqaddama. Dr. Shabbir respectfully agrees.]
SHAH ABDUL AZIZ’S CRITIQUE: “Several pages of Ibn Khaldoon’s History have been deliberately removed since the earliest times. These pages had questioned the most critical juncture of Islamic history, that is, the Emirate of Yazeed and the Fiction of Karbala. Even the modern editions admit in the side-notes and foot-notes that those pages have been mysteriously missing from the ancient original book.” Khilaafat-e-Mu’awiya-o-Yazeed, by Mahmood Ahmed Abbasi
SHAH WALIULLAH’S CHASTISEMENT: “Imam Jalaluddin Sayyuti’s Tarikh-ul-Khulafa is the prime example of how our Historians, Muhaddithin and Mufassirin, each have played like Haatib-il-Lail (The man who collects firewood at night not knowing which piece is good and which one is bad).” Hujjatullah-il-Baalighah
IMAM RAGHIB’S PROTEST: Tabari, Waqidi, Mas’oodi, Sayyuti wrote any reports they heard from anyone. Moreover, figures such as Abu Mukhnif, Lut bin Yahya and Muhammad bin Saaeb Kalbi never existed.
The civil wars within Islam during the times of Hazraat Ali, Mu’awiya and Yazeed have been made up under these fictitious names (Mukhnif, Lut $ Kalbi).
These names have been concocted and the narratives in their names have all been invented by one man, the Zoroastrian “Imam” Tabari bin Rustam (not Tabari bin Yazeed). Think and reflect: If civil wars of such intensity were taking place within early Islam, how could Muslims continue to expand their benevolent rule in nearly half the known world of the time? Ajaaib-it-Tareekh by Yaqoot Hamdi.
Wow!....so MF....why don't you first offer us an explanation here about what the above is all about before you point fingers at the Sh'ias as you cannot point a mote in another person's eyes when the beam is in your own eyes MF.
zn
STARTLING CONFESSIONS
November 29th, 2007
STARTLING CONFESSIONS
Let us examine the personal confessions of some of the most ancient and foremost “Imams” (’Canonical’ authorities) who narrated History, Hadith (Prophetic sayings and traditions), laid down Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence) and did Tafseer (explanation) of the Quran.
IMAM RAZI’S HORRIBLE CONFESSION:
Most Muslims have heard of one of the most ancient and famous Tafseer-e-Kabeer (The Great Exposition of the Quran) by Imam Fakhruddin Razi.
This Tafseer is one of the tops being followed by our Mullahs till this day.
After writing his 300 volumes, ‘the great and authoritative’ Imam confesses: “All my intellectual and supposedly logical statements in the explanation of the Quran turned out to be lame.
All the explanations of the Quran done by the so-called Imams (Tabari, Zamakhshari, Ibne Kathir, Bukhari, Muslim etc) are misguided and misleading.
All of us were the tools of Satan. Our souls were polluted by our physical desires. All our endeavors and works of this world promise to bring upon us nothing but eternal humiliation, torture and doom.”
Hadith-Ul-Quran by Allama Inayatullah Khan Al-Mashriqi, 1954 edition, Pg 190.
IMAM TABARI’S STRANGE CONFESSION:
“I am writing this book as I hear from the narrators. If anything sounds absurd, I should not be blamed or held accountable. The responsibility of all blunders rests squarely on the shoulders of those who have narrated these stories to me.”
So, Tabari wrote nothing but hearsay. Mazhabi Dastanain Aur Un Ki Haqeeqat by Allama Habib-ur-Rahman Siddiqui Kandhalwi, Ar-Rahman Publishing Trust, Karachi
Tareekhil Umam Wal Mulook (The History of Nations and Kings) popularly called “The Mother of All Histories” is the first ever “History of Islam” written by ‘Imam’ Tabari (839-923 CE) at the junction of the third and fourth century AH. He died in 310 AH, three centuries after the exalted Prophet. What were his sources? Not a scrap of paper! “He told me this who heard it from him who heard it from her and she heard it from so and so,” and so on.
By compiling his 13 Volume History and his 30 Volume Exposition of the Quran under royal patronage, Tabari became the Super Imam.
The later historians until this day have persisted in following the trails of the Super Imam. Imam Zahri Wa Imam Tabari, Tasweer Ka Doosra Rukh by Muhaddith-ul-‘Asr Jaame’-ul-‘Uloom Hazrat Allama Tamanna Imadi Phulwari, Ar-Rahman Publishing Trust, Karachi
IMAM IBN KATHIR’S CONFESSION: “Had Ibn Jareer Tabari not recorded the strange reports, I would never have done so.” Tafseer Ibn Katheer, Khilaafat-e-Mu’awiya-o-Yazeed, Mahmood Ahmed Abbasi
IMAM AHMAD BIN HANBAL’S CHASTISEMENT: The sincere Islamic scholar of the 20th century, Allama Shibli Na’mani, on page 27 Vol 1 of his Seeratun Nabi has given a startling quote of the ancient Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal (d. 241 AH), “Three kinds of books are absolutely unfounded, Maghazi, Malahem and Tafseer.” (The Prophet’s Battles, Dreams & Prophecies and Expositions of the Quran.)
HISTORIAN IBN KHALDOON’S THRASHING: “The Muslim historians have made a mockery of history by filling it with fabrications and senseless lies.”
Muqaddama Tareekh Ibn Khaldoon. [Ibn Khaldoon then himself makes a mockery of history. Allama Sir Muhammad Iqbal points out that there is nothing worth reading in his book but the preface, Muqaddama. Dr. Shabbir respectfully agrees.]
SHAH ABDUL AZIZ’S CRITIQUE: “Several pages of Ibn Khaldoon’s History have been deliberately removed since the earliest times. These pages had questioned the most critical juncture of Islamic history, that is, the Emirate of Yazeed and the Fiction of Karbala. Even the modern editions admit in the side-notes and foot-notes that those pages have been mysteriously missing from the ancient original book.” Khilaafat-e-Mu’awiya-o-Yazeed, by Mahmood Ahmed Abbasi
SHAH WALIULLAH’S CHASTISEMENT: “Imam Jalaluddin Sayyuti’s Tarikh-ul-Khulafa is the prime example of how our Historians, Muhaddithin and Mufassirin, each have played like Haatib-il-Lail (The man who collects firewood at night not knowing which piece is good and which one is bad).” Hujjatullah-il-Baalighah
IMAM RAGHIB’S PROTEST: Tabari, Waqidi, Mas’oodi, Sayyuti wrote any reports they heard from anyone. Moreover, figures such as Abu Mukhnif, Lut bin Yahya and Muhammad bin Saaeb Kalbi never existed.
The civil wars within Islam during the times of Hazraat Ali, Mu’awiya and Yazeed have been made up under these fictitious names (Mukhnif, Lut $ Kalbi).
These names have been concocted and the narratives in their names have all been invented by one man, the Zoroastrian “Imam” Tabari bin Rustam (not Tabari bin Yazeed). Think and reflect: If civil wars of such intensity were taking place within early Islam, how could Muslims continue to expand their benevolent rule in nearly half the known world of the time? Ajaaib-it-Tareekh by Yaqoot Hamdi.
Wow!....so MF....why don't you first offer us an explanation here about what the above is all about before you point fingers at the Sh'ias as you cannot point a mote in another person's eyes when the beam is in your own eyes MF.
zn
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MF....When you talk of Prophets and the Imams ,these souls who have been martyred are alive and your belief that they are "dead" is false as Allah says clearly...
" And call not those who are slain in the way of God "dead". Nay, they are Living, only ye perceive not..." ( Sura al Baqara)...so now are you right? or is the Quran right?
Death is not a termination of the soul but only of the physical life.
" And trust in the Living One who dieth not.." (Sura al Furqan)
As regards the relationship between us and the Saints, there are many factors from which its reality can be adduced....for example good muslims like MF et al address the Prophet of Islam at the end of their salat prayers by saying "May peace be with you and the Mercy of God and His blessings, O ! Prophet.." ( al-salamu alaykum ayyuha'l nabiyyu wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu...)...so MF, are you all paying just lip service by so doing or does the Prophet hear and reply to all these greetings? do please enlighten us huh?
Do you know the Prophet frequently used to visit the Baqi graveyard and addressed the souls of those buried there, saying..." Peace be with you the people of the homes of the believing men and women..."
zn
" And call not those who are slain in the way of God "dead". Nay, they are Living, only ye perceive not..." ( Sura al Baqara)...so now are you right? or is the Quran right?
Death is not a termination of the soul but only of the physical life.
" And trust in the Living One who dieth not.." (Sura al Furqan)
As regards the relationship between us and the Saints, there are many factors from which its reality can be adduced....for example good muslims like MF et al address the Prophet of Islam at the end of their salat prayers by saying "May peace be with you and the Mercy of God and His blessings, O ! Prophet.." ( al-salamu alaykum ayyuha'l nabiyyu wa rahmatu'llahi wa barakatuhu...)...so MF, are you all paying just lip service by so doing or does the Prophet hear and reply to all these greetings? do please enlighten us huh?
Do you know the Prophet frequently used to visit the Baqi graveyard and addressed the souls of those buried there, saying..." Peace be with you the people of the homes of the believing men and women..."
zn
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Brother Ghulam, what alarms me is the reaction on this board. While I disagree with the spirit of Rights post, I have found it odd that so many on this board have failed to simply condemn the terrorist act in Mumbai.
Condemnations have usually been accompanied by stipulations like; "Hindus are terrorists too", or "Americans are bigger terrorists" and even theories suggesting that Muslims have been set up to take the fall for the actions of nameless others.
What we ought to do is simply condemn these attacks as human beings, and accept that Islam has a serious problem with terrorism.
Condemnations have usually been accompanied by stipulations like; "Hindus are terrorists too", or "Americans are bigger terrorists" and even theories suggesting that Muslims have been set up to take the fall for the actions of nameless others.
What we ought to do is simply condemn these attacks as human beings, and accept that Islam has a serious problem with terrorism.
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Br. Jawanmardan,
I fully agree with you because an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind and that two wrongs dont make a right and that killing of innocent people can never be justified whatever be the cause.
I fully agree with you because an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind and that two wrongs dont make a right and that killing of innocent people can never be justified whatever be the cause.
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Jawanmardan and Ghulambhai,
Any subject you post here will automatically be derailed by MF who hates Shi'as and Ismailis in particular. He know nothing beyond his nose but claims to be Alim of Islam. Bull!
Brother Ghulam, your post and that of Mr. Right was attacked as "ignorant Shia's and do not worship Ali, Hussain Hazar Imam." There is no way you can continue discussing any subject without being derailed by these people. This is what they do all day long.
Ismailis are not here to attack these Jahaliyas or derail subject matters, but they will not sit idle either when they know their faith and their Imam are abused in this forum.
So form your own group if you want to have a good debate. Although this forum is for the Progressives, the most bashing is done on the Shias and Ismailis in particular.
Any subject you post here will automatically be derailed by MF who hates Shi'as and Ismailis in particular. He know nothing beyond his nose but claims to be Alim of Islam. Bull!
Brother Ghulam, your post and that of Mr. Right was attacked as "ignorant Shia's and do not worship Ali, Hussain Hazar Imam." There is no way you can continue discussing any subject without being derailed by these people. This is what they do all day long.
Ismailis are not here to attack these Jahaliyas or derail subject matters, but they will not sit idle either when they know their faith and their Imam are abused in this forum.
So form your own group if you want to have a good debate. Although this forum is for the Progressives, the most bashing is done on the Shias and Ismailis in particular.
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DEAR ,
GULAM MOHAMMED SIR,
YOU HAVE GIVEN THE LIST OF SHIA TERRORIST GROUP IN IRAN, BUT THE EXISTENCE OF THIS GROUP & KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS GROUP TO OTHER COUNTRIES EXCEPT AMERICA IS VERY LESS.PEOPLE KNOW GROUPS LIKE ALQAEEDA, LASHKAY- TAYBA .
HATRED FOR THE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLS IS INCREASING IN THE WORLD DUE TO THE DEEDS OF THESE GROUPS.
I AGREE WITH YOUR ST. THAT TERRORISM SHOULD NOT BE LINKED WITH ANY RELIGION, BUT THE WAY THE PUPIL OF OUR RELIGION OUR DOING ACTS, IT HAS CREATED A HATRED FOR OUR RELIGION IN THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE.
AND AS YOU SAID THAT YOUR BRAINWASH HAS BEEN DONE BY SHIA ULLEMAH, I WANT TO GIVE YOU CLARIFICATION THAT I HATE ALL THE SO CALLED MULLAHS AND RELIGIOUS HEAD.
THESE PEOPLE OUR RUINING THE LIFE OF OUR YOUNG GENERATION.
BE IT IN ANY SECT.
TAKE THE EG OF DAWOODI BOHRA COMMUNITY :
I HAVE SEEN YOUNG BOYS INSTEAD OF DEVELOPING THEIR CAREERS ARE JOINING THE BULLSHIT "BURHANI GUARDS" AND WASTING THEIR TIME AND THEIR CAREER.
I AM GIVING MY EG :
I AM A CA BY PROFESSION. WHEN I WAS A STUDENT, MY AMIL SAHEB TOLD ME TO JOIN TOLOBA. I SAID NO AND TOLD HIM THAT DUE TO MY PROF. STUDIES I AM NOT ABLE TO JOIN THIS .
AND HIS REACTION AS USUAL, " TAME CA KARO CHO. APNA MA A BADHU HARAM CHE " , ETC.
SO MY REQUEST IS HERE , TO ALL MY YOUNG BROTHERS & SISTERS
" PLEASE DONT HEAR TO ALL THIS NONSENSE , BUILD YOUR CAREER, LIVE A GOOD LIFE, LIVE AND LET OTHERS LIVE. "
GULAM MOHAMMED SIR,
YOU HAVE GIVEN THE LIST OF SHIA TERRORIST GROUP IN IRAN, BUT THE EXISTENCE OF THIS GROUP & KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THIS GROUP TO OTHER COUNTRIES EXCEPT AMERICA IS VERY LESS.PEOPLE KNOW GROUPS LIKE ALQAEEDA, LASHKAY- TAYBA .
HATRED FOR THE MUSLIMS IN THE WORLS IS INCREASING IN THE WORLD DUE TO THE DEEDS OF THESE GROUPS.
I AGREE WITH YOUR ST. THAT TERRORISM SHOULD NOT BE LINKED WITH ANY RELIGION, BUT THE WAY THE PUPIL OF OUR RELIGION OUR DOING ACTS, IT HAS CREATED A HATRED FOR OUR RELIGION IN THE MINDS OF THE PEOPLE.
AND AS YOU SAID THAT YOUR BRAINWASH HAS BEEN DONE BY SHIA ULLEMAH, I WANT TO GIVE YOU CLARIFICATION THAT I HATE ALL THE SO CALLED MULLAHS AND RELIGIOUS HEAD.
THESE PEOPLE OUR RUINING THE LIFE OF OUR YOUNG GENERATION.
BE IT IN ANY SECT.
TAKE THE EG OF DAWOODI BOHRA COMMUNITY :
I HAVE SEEN YOUNG BOYS INSTEAD OF DEVELOPING THEIR CAREERS ARE JOINING THE BULLSHIT "BURHANI GUARDS" AND WASTING THEIR TIME AND THEIR CAREER.
I AM GIVING MY EG :
I AM A CA BY PROFESSION. WHEN I WAS A STUDENT, MY AMIL SAHEB TOLD ME TO JOIN TOLOBA. I SAID NO AND TOLD HIM THAT DUE TO MY PROF. STUDIES I AM NOT ABLE TO JOIN THIS .
AND HIS REACTION AS USUAL, " TAME CA KARO CHO. APNA MA A BADHU HARAM CHE " , ETC.
SO MY REQUEST IS HERE , TO ALL MY YOUNG BROTHERS & SISTERS
" PLEASE DONT HEAR TO ALL THIS NONSENSE , BUILD YOUR CAREER, LIVE A GOOD LIFE, LIVE AND LET OTHERS LIVE. "
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You did not learn anything.AM A CA BY PROFESSION.
By writing in CAPS you are shouting at others.
Now that you have shown that you can read then at least buy some books on Islamic History and ead it.
Wasalaam
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AW"ignorant Shia's and do not worship Ali, Hussain Hazar Imam."
No matter how much you assert that "Shia's and do not worship Ali, Hussain Hazar Imam,” actions speak louder then assertions.
In Islam anybody who obeys any order which is contrary to Qur'an and Sunnah then he has "Worshipped that person".
Salaat, Saum amd Hujj is in Qur'an and Sunnah. By the order of MHI you have abandoned all 3 therefore you have worshipped your MHI.
Rational debate based on Qur’an and Sunnah, with Ismailis is not possible since Ismailis do not believe in Qur’an and Sunnah.
Take care, my friend. I do not hate you or your MHI.
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jawanmardan,jawanmardan wrote:Brother Ghulam, what alarms me is the reaction on this board. While I disagree with the spirit of Rights post, I have found it odd that so many on this board have failed to simply condemn the terrorist act in Mumbai.
Condemnations have usually been accompanied by stipulations like; "Hindus are terrorists too", or "Americans are bigger terrorists" and even theories suggesting that Muslims have been set up to take the fall for the actions of nameless others.
What we ought to do is simply condemn these attacks as human beings, and accept that Islam has a serious problem with terrorism.
Now you are towing the dumb Ismaili line. Why do I have to condemn every stupid act committed by anyone anywhere? If I have to do that, then I will be spending all my free time condemning acts committed by others all the time? You are assuming that I have to agree with your assertion that these acts were committed by Muslims and that they did these things for me so now I have to condemn them? Please don't play these political games with me. Just because I haven't specifically condemned these acts on the dawoodi-bohra forum for your sake does not automatically mean that I condone these acts. These kinds of assumptions by educated people like yourself have led Islam and all Muslims in general to be treated as terrorists by the rest of the world.
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Earlier I had posted a link where Muslim organizations like CAIR,ISNA and ICNA and other local organizations and many individuals have condemned the terrorism. As a matter of fact CAIR had a sign board in all major cities claiming "NOT IN THE NAME OF ISLAM" where they have condemned each and every terrorist attacks.(please visit the site of Council on American Islamic Relation and look for terrorism condemnation)
It is unfortunate that Major NEWS MEDIA does not carry our message but they always ask
MY QUESTION WHY DO I NEED TO KEEP ON APPLOGISING AND CONDEMNING when certain ill-advised people carry out the cowardly acts. There are over 1.5 billion Muslims and these terrorists do not even come close to be more than few hundred thousands.
So please do not ask like typical ill-infromed people around the world why Muslims do not condemn. We in USA have done enough of it and I do not think we need to keep on doing it. ISLAM DOESNOT PREACH VIOLANCE,KILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE OF ANY ONE, OF ANY FAITH,COLOR OR NATIONALITY AND ANYWHERE.This should be enough.
ALSO NOT CONDEMING DOES NOT MEAN CONDOING EITHER
It is unfortunate that Major NEWS MEDIA does not carry our message but they always ask
MY QUESTION WHY DO I NEED TO KEEP ON APPLOGISING AND CONDEMNING when certain ill-advised people carry out the cowardly acts. There are over 1.5 billion Muslims and these terrorists do not even come close to be more than few hundred thousands.
So please do not ask like typical ill-infromed people around the world why Muslims do not condemn. We in USA have done enough of it and I do not think we need to keep on doing it. ISLAM DOESNOT PREACH VIOLANCE,KILLING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE OF ANY ONE, OF ANY FAITH,COLOR OR NATIONALITY AND ANYWHERE.This should be enough.
ALSO NOT CONDEMING DOES NOT MEAN CONDOING EITHER
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From Yahoo News online
"-Mumbai's most influential Muslim cemetery rejected the corpses of nine of the gunmen and said "Islam does not permit this sort of barbaric crime"
This is highest way of condeming terrorism and Muslims are doing it.
"-Mumbai's most influential Muslim cemetery rejected the corpses of nine of the gunmen and said "Islam does not permit this sort of barbaric crime"
This is highest way of condeming terrorism and Muslims are doing it.
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No weapons names are mentioned in Quran. Weapons used in Prophet Mohammed (s.a.) time like bow & arrow, dagger, sword, spear, knife, etc – none of these name are present in Quran. The names that are present in Quran are: pen (kal’am), ink, knowledge / wisdom
Aaka Rasoolallah said, “I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its entrance gate.”
Who want to enter (learn) Prophets (s.a.) knowledge can do so by entering via its door: Ali (a.s.). Remember those humans who enter other than gate are thieves and not ‘ahl-a-bayt’.
Abubaker / Umar / Usman / Maviya / Yazeed / Aaisha / Abu Sufiyan were unable to claim prowess on Quran knowledge like Mola Ali (a.s.) who announced, “Ask me whatever you wish to know before I pass away from you. And I know all what is in Quran.”
Aaka Rasoolallah said, “I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its entrance gate.”
Who want to enter (learn) Prophets (s.a.) knowledge can do so by entering via its door: Ali (a.s.). Remember those humans who enter other than gate are thieves and not ‘ahl-a-bayt’.
Abubaker / Umar / Usman / Maviya / Yazeed / Aaisha / Abu Sufiyan were unable to claim prowess on Quran knowledge like Mola Ali (a.s.) who announced, “Ask me whatever you wish to know before I pass away from you. And I know all what is in Quran.”
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That's an outright LIE (cry of appologists).Mubarak wrote:No weapons names are mentioned in Quran. Weapons used in Prophet Mohammed (s.a.) time like bow & arrow, dagger, sword, spear, knife, etc – none of these name are present in Quran.
Sword mentioned in 54:29
Knife/dagger (same thing) mentioned in 12:31
Spear menitoned in 5:94
Bows & Arrows mentioned in 3:44, 5:3, 5:901
Besides, over half of the Quran talks about killings, hell, threatens, warnings and dastardly & eterenal punishments and not a word of love.
All the above names and many more so-called enemies of "muhammad" were Arabized Muslims and close associates of 'muhammad".Abubaker / Umar / Usman / Maviya / Yazeed / Aaisha / Abu Sufiyan were unable to claim prowess on Quran knowledge like Mola Ali (a.s.) who announced, “Ask me whatever you wish to know before I pass away from you.
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Anajmi, my "line" is a personal one, Isma'ili like every community have individuals who each hold separate opinions on matters.anajmi wrote:jawanmardan,jawanmardan wrote:Brother Ghulam, what alarms me is the reaction on this board. While I disagree with the spirit of Rights post, I have found it odd that so many on this board have failed to simply condemn the terrorist act in Mumbai.
Condemnations have usually been accompanied by stipulations like; "Hindus are terrorists too", or "Americans are bigger terrorists" and even theories suggesting that Muslims have been set up to take the fall for the actions of nameless others.
What we ought to do is simply condemn these attacks as human beings, and accept that Islam has a serious problem with terrorism.
Now you are towing the dumb Ismaili line. Why do I have to condemn every stupid act committed by anyone anywhere? If I have to do that, then I will be spending all my free time condemning acts committed by others all the time? You are assuming that I have to agree with your assertion that these acts were committed by Muslims and that they did these things for me so now I have to condemn them? Please don't play these political games with me. Just because I haven't specifically condemned these acts on the dawoodi-bohra forum for your sake does not automatically mean that I condone these acts. These kinds of assumptions by educated people like yourself have led Islam and all Muslims in general to be treated as terrorists by the rest of the world.
I understand your point though, " why do I have to condemn every stupid act committed by anyone anywhere? " , I don't feel Muslims have to, however if we are going to comment on an act committed in our name, be it in person, or on a forum; it should simply be a condemnation sans the stipulations. I believe the stipulations convey a mindset of denial of the problems we as Muslims have with terrorism, which is perhaps what really needs to be addressed as a step to confronting extremists within our communities.
It's not I or my ilk that cause the muslims to be treated by terrorists by the rest of the world, but the actions of the kinds people who perpetrate heinous acts like the one in Mumbai in the name of "Islam". They are the ones who make life more difficult for you and I.
Personally I would like the Muslim community in Mumbai and India to protest these acts; sending a message to the extremists. But that is a separate matter
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DEAR MUSLIM FIRST,Muslim First wrote:Now that you have shown that you can read then at least buy some books on Islamic History and ead it.AM A CA BY PROFESSION.
Wasalaam
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GO AND TELL YOUR SUNNI WAHABI PEOPLE ( AL QAEEDA . LASHKAR E TAYBA ) TO READ THE QURAN & ISLAMIC HISTORY, SO THEY WILL COME TO KNOW THE TRUE MEANING OF THE WORD "JEHAD" AND WILL HAVE QUALITIES OF PATIENCE , TOLERANCE & BRAVITY LIKE MOLA ALI (A.S.), AND WILL STOP KILLING INNCOENT PEOPLE.
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Unfortunately I can't do that because that would mean I am somehow responsible for those acts, which I am not, doesn't matter what you say.it should simply be a condemnation sans the stipulations.
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jawanmardan,It's not I or my ilk that cause the muslims to be treated by terrorists by the rest of the world, but the actions of the kinds people who perpetrate heinous acts like the one in Mumbai in the name of "Islam". They are the ones who make life more difficult for you and I.
You are missing the point. People do what they want to in whom ever's name they want to. Ismailis do a lot in the name of Islam too which I don't think is Islamic. Am I supposed to apologize for that too? Besides, condemning on this forum means nothing. Israeli actions have been condemned by most of the world for the last 60 years with dozens of UN resolutions against them. Has it made any difference? The only reason people demand condemnations is to show that those who are being asked to condemn are somehow responsible or connected to those heinous acts. I condemn those acts, always have and always will, but most certainly not when someone demands a condemnation!!
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jawanmardan,Anajmi, my "line" is a personal one,
The dumb Ismailis I was referring to are the ones on this board. I asked you not to tow their line. Here is a sample of what I meant.
by turbocanuck
Lets hear a whimper of condemnation.........MF and gang!!
on this thread
2 girls burned alive for visiting boys on Diwali
by znanwalla
how do we know you do not condone terrorism?
on this thread
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... emn#p53098
I did a word search on "condemn" and all the Ismailis showed up.by pardesi
They probably approve of that or just don't want to condemn their brothers who actually carried out these acts of equal opportunity killings.
on this thread
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... emn#p47035
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anajmi,
Condemnation is not necessarily akin to culpability. Neither you or I are responsible for those atrocious acts.
What I am stating is that we have a problem with extremists, part of the problem undoubtably lies with western foreign policy in the Islamic world, but much of the problem is also firmly situated with the mind-set of Muslims today.
I am not postulating that we must protest every extremist action, but as an example; after a Danish paper printed cartoons of the prophet (saw) which depicted him as a blood thirsty hateful man, moderate Muslims waited for the extremists to "prove" the cartoons right by calling for the slitting of throats and public beheadings, the destruction of the west etc etc. Only then did Moderate Muslims decide we ought to have a peaceful protest to counter that view.
A little late. No?
So if they could organize a protest for that, why could they not organize a protest against these acts in India, or 7/7 in London.
Does this all mean that I am demanding condemnation? no. Its simply a suggestion.
What concerns me is that immediately after these attacks people chose to post threads about American terrorism etc thats not just insensitive dismissing the lives of those lost, its also more of an admission of guilt than what I am suggesting, sort of "yes Muslims are commiting acts of terrorism, but so are the Americans", oh so thats alright then. Do another count and see how many people put as much effort into discussing sidelining extremists and discussing how we rid them from a faith both you and I know to be peaceful.
Will we change anything by reasoned discussions amongst ourselves about Muslim terrorists on this board? No. However if every Muslim online and off did, we would be a long way along.
Is all this just my gibberish little rant? quite possibly. I'm allowed those once in awhile, surely.
Condemnation is not necessarily akin to culpability. Neither you or I are responsible for those atrocious acts.
What I am stating is that we have a problem with extremists, part of the problem undoubtably lies with western foreign policy in the Islamic world, but much of the problem is also firmly situated with the mind-set of Muslims today.
I am not postulating that we must protest every extremist action, but as an example; after a Danish paper printed cartoons of the prophet (saw) which depicted him as a blood thirsty hateful man, moderate Muslims waited for the extremists to "prove" the cartoons right by calling for the slitting of throats and public beheadings, the destruction of the west etc etc. Only then did Moderate Muslims decide we ought to have a peaceful protest to counter that view.
A little late. No?So if they could organize a protest for that, why could they not organize a protest against these acts in India, or 7/7 in London.
Does this all mean that I am demanding condemnation? no. Its simply a suggestion.
What concerns me is that immediately after these attacks people chose to post threads about American terrorism etc thats not just insensitive dismissing the lives of those lost, its also more of an admission of guilt than what I am suggesting, sort of "yes Muslims are commiting acts of terrorism, but so are the Americans", oh so thats alright then. Do another count and see how many people put as much effort into discussing sidelining extremists and discussing how we rid them from a faith both you and I know to be peaceful.
Will we change anything by reasoned discussions amongst ourselves about Muslim terrorists on this board? No. However if every Muslim online and off did, we would be a long way along.
Is all this just my gibberish little rant? quite possibly. I'm allowed those once in awhile, surely.
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jawanmardan,
By the same token, I can very easily say that even before the identity of the killers was known, some (like yourself) chose to blame muslims for killing innocents.
By the same token, I can very easily say that even before the identity of the killers was known, some (like yourself) chose to blame muslims for killing innocents.
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but then you have not denied that you belong to an obsessionist cult....initial evidence does indicate that muslims are complicit in this act....what needs to be seen is to whom did they sell their faith for a pittance this time?.....the 19 hijackers who blew the twin towers were from where?.....your cult !...zn
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These 19 hijackers were known to have been drinking and gambling. Now which muslim cult allows drinking and gambling? Correct, the Ismaili cult.
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In mumbai case also ,gunmen used Hasheesh.
"We found injections containing traces of cocaine and LSD left behind by the terrorists and later found drugs in their blood," said one official.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sault.html
"We found injections containing traces of cocaine and LSD left behind by the terrorists and later found drugs in their blood," said one official.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... sault.html
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Najmi et al
Okay ! so "good" muslims like you say that you are the pious ones and don't drink or take drugs huh? What about the Taleban? what do they grow and sell ? how do they buy bombs to blow up people? why don't you explain? infact "good" muslims like you dumbos are the only only ones who eat and drink like .... the terrorists are from your cult and so if you are saying that they were drunk then certainly what you are confirming to us all that good muslims from your cult are into drinking and madness, to a point that they become impaired and beastly or inhuman....
A Saudi prince who shares whisky in the evening, sentences a man to prison in the morning for drinking ! how hypocritical ?
All kinds of liquor is available freely in Middle East countries including Iran - and In Pakistan it trickles into their mouths in China Cups as it is served in "Tea Pots" - I haven't found an islamic country as yet which does not sell alchohol and where some "good" muslims are transgressing the prohibitions against wine and spirits ! If the rich drink imported ones , the poor make their own !so what are you croaking ?
It may be better for all the readership to understand and regard you guys as the "Grand Illusion" of the power potentates who believe the world can be enslaved with your Big Lies of inordinate self-serving peddling which is without any moral or civilized principle.
And in classic psychological terms of "projection", you simply try to divide-to-conquer by projecting your own fear onto the minds of the gullible since you do not believe in the power of love or truth !
zn
Okay ! so "good" muslims like you say that you are the pious ones and don't drink or take drugs huh? What about the Taleban? what do they grow and sell ? how do they buy bombs to blow up people? why don't you explain? infact "good" muslims like you dumbos are the only only ones who eat and drink like .... the terrorists are from your cult and so if you are saying that they were drunk then certainly what you are confirming to us all that good muslims from your cult are into drinking and madness, to a point that they become impaired and beastly or inhuman....
A Saudi prince who shares whisky in the evening, sentences a man to prison in the morning for drinking ! how hypocritical ?
All kinds of liquor is available freely in Middle East countries including Iran - and In Pakistan it trickles into their mouths in China Cups as it is served in "Tea Pots" - I haven't found an islamic country as yet which does not sell alchohol and where some "good" muslims are transgressing the prohibitions against wine and spirits ! If the rich drink imported ones , the poor make their own !so what are you croaking ?
It may be better for all the readership to understand and regard you guys as the "Grand Illusion" of the power potentates who believe the world can be enslaved with your Big Lies of inordinate self-serving peddling which is without any moral or civilized principle.
And in classic psychological terms of "projection", you simply try to divide-to-conquer by projecting your own fear onto the minds of the gullible since you do not believe in the power of love or truth !
zn
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Not at all, I based assumption on the hijackers demands, and the history of terrorism in Mumbai, all of which indicated they are/were Muslim.By the same token, I can very easily say that even before the identity of the killers was known, some (like yourself) chose to blame muslims for killing innocents.