To Solve the Issue of Hidden Imam

[JC]

Hi Guys,

We all are worried about the 'Hidden Imam' who has been in 'Purdah' for Long .......

As someone esle has mentioned this on some other thread and post that Imam doesnot exist. I fully agree. IF, at all, there was an Imam, the Dai Regime has ensured he is dead and buried. There was only one grave - either Imam or Dai had to occupy that ........ Dai managed to make that for Imam...

But NOW, the Dai Regime and Kothar have this constant issue of Imam and people are waiting - Imam is the connection for Dai to Hussain/Ali/Mohammad/Allah and hence the 'idea' cannot be banned with. As I believe Mr.East Africawala has put it, it is the corner stone of Bohra Religion (or cult) that 'Imam Maujood Chay' 'Wajib-ul-Wajood Chay' and that they keep on harping that all Universe and even Galaxy is there just because of Imam .........

Well, I have a solution to this issue. If Orthos and Kothari slaves/agents want to make a note and may wish to pass on this to their masters......

The Bohra Religion should allow SAME-SEX MARRIANGS ......... now, now, please do not get carried away, I say this with all seriousness ........

You say, what Kotharis can do .......... bring any tom, dick or harry as Imam ......... whoever is bought and shown as IMAM, bohras will accept it .......... you need to do little homework and paperwork and lot of, i mean, lots of pomp and show and celebrations..... I would advise this guy to be young, smart, handsome, cute, somewhat intelligent (and may be sexy ). Better do this when 53rd Dai is crowned .......... and please ENSURE, 53rd is any grandson of Burhan and not any of his sons or brothers coz they all are really OLD.

Next step, if bohra religion ALLOWS same-sex marriages, the Dai can marry Imam ......... How wonderful ....... And Amils can start shouting and chanting - 'Beway Ekaj Noor Se Payda Thaeas' 'Beway Barabar Chey' 'Beway Ne Shaan Barabar Chay' 'Beway Nu Fazal Barabar Chay' ............ this will SELL ....... for sure, and you know why coz you are selling this IDEA of Baraberi (Equality) for Mohammad and Ali. So we have done the next part - they are ONE now.

Next step - find a surrogate mother - please forgive my lanaguage but I have to write this to put my thoughts clearly..... take the sperms of both the gentlemen (Dai and Imam), MIX it and fertile it with the egg of surrogate mother (and ofcourse this mother is from Royal Family) and let her carry this child - hope and pray it is a boy (if not please try again and again until you succeed - thats why I said Imam and Dai both have to be young...!!!!)

Last step - a SON is born ........ a SUN will rise .......... this boy carries BOTH the qualities .......... he may now be called anything you all want - Imai, Imami, Dami, or whatever .......... the boy can marry a girl and have children and the Line of Rulers follow or he may wish to do what his both the fathers did ............

Problem Solved .......... everybody will live happily everafter.

[like_minded]

LOL JC, a good thought indeed!

How can the gullible bohras/taheris buy this fairy tale of hidden imam in first place, baffles me! How can they not be embarrassed?

[ghulam muhammed]

I too had raised this issue on another thread and had also mentioned as to how the whole thing is cleverly manipulated by burhanudin saab and his coterie. This subject has become like a bollywood suspense film where people are glued to their seat and just dont want to leave the cinema hall till the time the suspense is unfolded. The kothar is akin to a political party and just as Bush is playing with the world on the fear psychosis of terrorism so does kothar. Its quite obvious that with all the latest sophisticated technology available with the USA it is a matter of minutes before they locate and capture osama bin laden but they are purposely not doing so but on the contrary they are protecting bin laden. This is to keep the fear of laden hovering over the minds of the people on this globe and this fear is then manipulated and encashed upon. Once laden is caught the fear dies down and USA is no longer percieved as the so called saviour and super power. So to keep the grip over the world intact they have to ensure that laden is alive.

Same is the case with kothar. They have to keep the issue alive because once the Imam comes out of purdah, it is the end of kothar. Mind you there are a select few who are adamant to know about the mystery of the hidden Imam and kothar knows that very well and for which sabaks are held. There are quite a few grades (halka) which bohras have to pass and after quite a few years of immense brainwashing classes, one enters the last and final halka, needless to say that only fully brainwashed ones manage to reach there. The ones that finally make it to the last halka are so much in control of burhanudin saab and reach such a state of blind faith that if one is told that the sun is square he belives in it without asking a question or using his own common sense. Naturally one then percieves the word of burhanudin saab as the word of Allah (Nauzubillah). This is when the suspense is unfolded and the mystery is revealed. At this final stage burhanudin saab makes the final statement "Imam uz zamaan mein khud chhu". It is a known fact that before entering sabak classes bohras are made to take an oath that they will not reveal anything that is told to them to the outside world or other bohras as it is "taawil nu bayaan" but as history proves it, there a few who ultimately spill the beans.

Having said this, Iam of a firm belief that there definately is someone at all times infinite who posseses the great spiritual and divine power that Allah has granted Him and there will be zuhur of Imam at the appropriate time as Allah deems fit and that will be before the day of qiyamah. Now to believe that burhanudin saab is the one or that he has the knowledge of His whereabouts is definately something which one cannot believe seeing his own personal teachings, his designs to create hatred within the ummah and his using the tool of Islam to amass wealth in the garb of Islam.

[JC]

Thank you Bro Like-Minded .......... lets wait for the comments from Kotharis.

Nice post Bro Ghulam Mohammad ........... but my question...... IF there is some Imam or somebody, what is he waiting for?? why he is not coming out? What do we mean by 'time is not ripe' - I mean are we suppose to believe that conditions on this planet will worsen? and then Imam will come? or he will come when Qayama is near?? So if he doesnot show up, Qayama is nowhere near!!?? Sorry bro I fail to understand the 'logic'.

[Muslim First]

Br. GM

I hope for you what you said comes thru.

In meanwhile let us remember Allah SWT 5 times a day and fulfill other requirements of deen.

Aamin

[Humsafar]

Sorry bro I fail to understand the 'logic'.

There is no logic. No religion has any logic. But within the framework of Ismaili-Fatimid doctrine you have to understand that the concept of Imam is central. Whether the Imam is alive or in purdah or when he will appear are all matters of theory and speculation. No one knows. I doubt if even the Dai knows, but he must keep up the appearances - and use the whole thing to his advantage as he has been using every other religious "loophole" to his advantage. Nothing new in this. So, Let the hidden imam lie hidden. This is not the real issue. The "hidden Imam" is a matter of belief: accept it or reject it. You can't solve it.

[ghulam muhammed]

Nice post Bro Ghulam Mohammad ........... but my question...... IF there is some Imam or somebody, what is he waiting for?? why he is not coming out? What do we mean by 'time is not ripe' - I mean are we suppose to believe that conditions on this planet will worsen? and then Imam will come? or he will come when Qayama is near?? So if he doesnot show up, Qayama is nowhere near!!?? Sorry bro I fail to understand the 'logic'.

Br.Humsafar,

There is mention of "dajjal", the satan in the Holy Quran and his appearence on earth when due to his unlimited satanic powers he will bring many people under his fold. The advent of Imam takes place during that time. I will post a detailed mail on this subject in due course.

[ghulam muhammed]

There is no mention of dajjal in the Holy Quran which I wrongly stated for which I apologise but there are various hadiths regarding dajjal's appearence which are as follows :-

There are three aspects of Dajjal:
1) The Individual.
2) A worldwide social and cultural phenomenan.
3) An unseen force.

The latter two aspects of Dajjal have been explained and outlined brilliantly by Ahmed Thomas in his book ‘Dajjal - The King Without Clothes.’ Through intense research, he has managed to write a brilliant account of scary facts that bring home the full weight of reality. He explains the social and cultural phenomenon as a system that is being prepared by the minions and followers of Dajjal, through which he will operate and spread his evil. The Unseen Force is defined as the supernatural beings, such as Djinns and UFO’s, who abduct and posses humans to further his cause.

In this article, I intend to unveil the first aspect; the individual. The Book of Revelations by John (New Testament) contains prophecies regarding the Anti-Christ. However, over the times, many alterations have occurred in the original text and the commentaries have deviated from the actual meanings. That and the lack of consistency have left it in doubt of reliability and accuracy. Hence, there only remains the Hadith of the Noble Prophet Mohammed (peace & blessings be upon him) as the only accurate source of information.

In a Hadith narrated by Imran ibn Hussain radiyallahu anhum, the Prophet (peace & blessings be upon him) said, ‘Since the birth of Adam till the advent of Qiyaamah (Judgement Day) there is no fitnah (tribulation) much greater than that of Dajjal.’

Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates that the Last Prophet (peace & blessings be upon him) said, ‘I have explained Dajjal to you, but I fear that you might not have understood. Maseeh-ud-Dajjal will be short and his legs will be crooked. The hair on his head will be extremely twisted. He will have one eye, while his other eye will be flat. It will be neither deep, nor protruding.’

Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Last Prophet (peace & blessings be upon him) regarding Dajjal, ‘…red complexioned, fat, curly haired man, blind in the right eye which looks like a bulging grape.

According to the many Ahaadith describing Dajjal, the most distinguishing feature of his face besides the bulging eye will be the Arabic letters Kaaf (k), Faa (f), Raa (r), on his forehead. These letters spell Kufr (disbelief). All believers, regardless of their literacy will decipher these letters.
It has also been ascertained from the Hadith that he will emerge from between Syria and Iraq, and his emergence will become known when he is in Isfahaan, at a place called Judea. He will be of Jewish origin and the Jews of Isfahaan will be his main followers and they will refer to him as the Messiah. As he goes on through the world, Jews and a great number of non-Jewish women will flock to him upon witnessing his false miracles.

Imran ibn Hussain radiyallahu anhu narrated from the Prophet Mohammed (peace & blessings be upon him), ‘Those who hear about Dajjal should stay away from him. By Allah! A person will approach him thinking himself to be a believer. But on seeing his amazing feat he will become his follower.’

The miracles and feats spoken of by the Prophet (peace & blessings be upon him) and John, the writer of the Book of Revelations, are further clarified by the Hadith narrated by Hadhrat Huzaifah radiyallahu anhu:‘Dajjal will be blind in the right eye. He will have thick hair on his body and he will also have Paradise and Hell with him. Though his Paradise will appear as Jannah, in reality it will be Hell, and likewise, though his Hell will appear like Jahannnam, in reality it will be Paradise.’

Those who obey the Dark Messiah will enter his Paradise (and thus enter Hell), and those who denounce him will enter his Hell (and so shall in reality be entering Paradise). He will travel by means of a gigantic mule, at impossible speeds. He will cause droughts and famine upon those who reject him. But the remembrance of the true Lord will satiate them.
Ubadah ibn Saamit radiyallahu anhu narrates from the Noble Prophet (peace & blessings be upon him), ‘If you still have any doubts regarding him (Dajjal), then remember, your Sustainer is not one-eyed.’
Ibn Umar radiyallahu anhuma narrates from the Noble Prophet (peace & blessings be upon him), ‘Allah is not one-eyed, while Maseeh-ud-Dajjal is blind in the right eye.’

He will remain on the Earth for a period of forty days, of which the first day will be as long as a year, the second day as long as a month, the third as a week and the rest will be normal in length. He will try to gain entry to the two holy cities Makkah and Madinah, but the angels who guard them will bar him from them. From there, he will flee to Syria, where he will meet resistance from the forces of IMAM MAHDI, the leader of the Muslims. Then shall the battle between Good and Evil begin in earnest.

[Danish]

However, over the times, many alterations have occurred in the original text and the commentaries have deviated from the actual meanings. That and the lack of consistency have left it in doubt of reliability and accuracy. Hence, there only remains the Hadith of the Noble Prophet Mohammed (peace & blessings be upon him) as the only accurate source of information.

The ahadees are the most corrupted and unreliable source of information. Muslims are the only ones that take them as "sahih" (authentic) or accurate because they have nothing else or no other source of Islamic History to rely upon that came nearly 250+ years after Muhammad's death. Heedlessly, they ONLY cherry pick the ones that are profound in upholding the status of their "prophet" as Allah (The God) and all other ahadees become weak or discarded which make Muhammad the vilest narrated by the same individual (s) ~ Yes, the Bukhari & Co.

The same applies to Quran, because the Quran is noting more than a compilaton of words, sentences, prose and poetry written on parchments, orally dictated and put together in book form by the scribes; hence the Quran is neither Muhammad's words nor Allah's (aka Muhammad's) words in ditto. It is this very reason why the Quran has several repetitious verses, inconsistencies and contradictions that have changed form manifold. It is mind boggling to even suggest that a man-made compiled and revamped book called Quran is the absolute words of the Creator of our Universe who is a Male Supernatural Deity and a fathomless yet fathomable one (the one and only human idol ofcourse).

The word "Dajjal" was specifically referred to one of staunches enemy of Muhammad who is called Al Messih Al Dajjal.

[like_minded]

Having said this, Iam of a firm belief that there definately is someone at all times infinite who posseses the great spiritual and divine power that Allah has granted Him and there will be zuhur of Imam at the appropriate time as Allah deems fit and that will be before the day of qiyamah.

All the infinite, spiritual and divine power is already present in each and every one of us and to think and believe that Allah has only granted some special individual with it, is stupidity!

The only reason why we aren't able to realize the divine and spiritual power which we already are, is because we aren't really looking..

[ghulam muhammed]

In Ehtijaj-e-Tabrasi, which is among the most reliable books of the Shias a saying of the ninth Imam, Mohammad bin Ali bin Musa, has been reproduced which says about the Last Imam that:

“One of the unique things about him will be that his birth will take place secretly and people will not know about it and he will not be visible to people. From the four corners of the world three hundred and thirteen companions will gather round him, exactly equal to the number of Muslims who fought in the Battle of Badr. When 313 earnest and devoted persons will collect round him, God will reveal the Imam i.e., he will come out of the cave and begin his mission.

It is significant that the appearance of the Absent Imam having not taken place as yet can mean nothing in the light of the saying of Imam Mohammad bin Ali bin Musa, except that during all these eleven hundred and fifty years since 260 A.H., 313 truthful and sincere Shias have not been available who could stand up for the Absent Imam, otherwise he would have, surely, emerged from the cave. It is worth asking whether Shia leaders and theologians like Khomeini, also, hold the same view or not.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Hi Guys,


Next step - find a surrogate mother - please forgive my lanaguage but I have to write this to put my thoughts clearly..... take the sperms of both the gentlemen (Dai and Imam), MIX it and fertile it with the egg of surrogate mother (and ofcourse this mother is from Royal Family) and let her carry this child - hope and pray it is a boy (if not please try again and again until you succeed - thats why I said Imam and Dai both have to be young...!!!!)

Problem Solved .......... everybody will live happily everafter.

forget about 'solving' this dilemma. there is no solution to blind faith.

[ghulam muhammed]

Doesnt the below mentioned article remind you of Burhanudin saab and his misguidance ? --- :-
As we have already seen, after the disappearance of the Absent Imam (Mehdi), some resourceful Shias had succeeded in convincing the people that they visited the Absent Imam in utter secrecy and were, so to speak, his agents and emissaries. Four persons had made this claim one after the other, the last being Ali bin Mohammad Samiri who died in 329 A.H. The simple-minded Shias used to send their petitions and letters through them to the Absent Imam along with costly gifts, and these people used to bring back the letters of the Imam in reply bearing his seal. All this was done in a most clandestine manner.

As for the truth or correctness of the whole thing, anyone with a little commonsense will conclude that it was a ruse played by a few artful persons to deceive the people. But, according to Shias, and their Ulemaa and Mujtahids, the letters purporting to be of the Absent Imam are his sayings and religious pronouncements and fiats, and have been collected, as such in their books of traditions. A collection of them can, also, be seen in the concluding pages of Ehtijaj-e-Tabrasi. Khomeini, too, has mentioned them as ultimate religious proof and argument and employed them in support of his own theory of Wilayat-e-Faquik. This short period when communication with the Imam was possible is called Ghaibat-e-Sughra or the Minor Absence.

The business of emissaries ended when it came into the knowledge of the government and steps were taken to apprehend the persons who were, thus, deceiving the people. Thereafter, the game was abandoned, and it was proclaimed that the period of the Minor Absence had ended and that of the Major Absence had begun, and now, no contact could be established with the Absent Imam till his appearance nor could anyone approach him. Nothing could be done then except to wait for his return.

[ghulam muhammed]

An article downloaded from the net:-

SHIITE CULTS SEEK TO WREAK HAVOC IN IRAQ.

BAGHDAD -- Falling into a depression after her husband was killed last year, Iman immersed herself in religious studies and became fixated on a Shiite Muslim saint.

Soon, a secretive group of worshipers tried to recruit the young widow, telling her that she could help bring the holy figureback to Earth. All she had to do was sleep with the group's male followers.

Horrified, Iman, now 20, refused.

Her experience shines a light on the rise in Iraq of fanatical cults devoted to Imam Mahdi, the Shiites' 12th imam. A descendant of the prophet Muhammad, he disappeared more than 1,000 years ago.

The Shiite faithful believe that in the world's darkest hour, Imam Mahdi will return and bring justice and calm. But where mainstream Shiite believers wait patiently for that day, groups such as the one that tried to enlist Iman are convinced that they can hasten his reappearance by spreading chaos.

Iman, who also declined to give her full name, discovered the world of cults as she sought solace in religion in the months after her husband's death. A friend suggested she do something positive while waiting for Imam Mahdi's return.

"Her talks charmed me and made me think about heaven," Iman said. She opened up to her friend in a way she couldn't with her family. She told her friend how she had been lonely since her husband's death.

"I liked to talk about my needs as a woman, and we were joking about many things. Unfortunately, sometimes I went too far talking about things I should never have talked about, but I was just joking," she said.

The woman suggested that Iman sleep with her husband if she wanted to help speed up the Mahdi's return.

"I looked at her and laughed. I thought she was joking. I told her, 'No, he is too old for me. I want someone younger,' " Iman said. "She said, 'I'm serious -- all you have to do is sleep with my husband.' "

Others shared similar stories about the group, called MUMAHIDOON, or "those who prepare the way."

Abu Jassem said the group preyed upon him when he was unemployed.

His recruiter was a good friend who knew of his religious fervor, and of his need for money. The friend sweetened the deal with the promise of a stipend for joining the cult. But then he told Abu Jassem of the one catch: He had to let his fellow believers sleep with his wife, daughter and sister.

"I was stunned but didn't show my astonishment. Later I told them I refused the idea because these things were against my traditions and religion."

Although Iraqi security officials dismiss the idea that such cults pose a genuine threat, Hassan is not convinced. "The cults in our society," he warned, "could pose a danger."

[Shahu]

BEWARE! NO MESSIAH, NO MAHDI IS COMING.

God is not sending any Savior to the world! The last Messenger (S) has come and gone having delivered the eternal Message (Al-Qur’an) to all humanity. Now it is up to us to save or destroy the planet earth.

Ayah 2:177 gives us only Five Article of Faith: Tawheed, Angels, Prophets, the Book and the Hereafter. Please remember that the Ultimate Authority for Muslims is nothing but Al-Qur’an. You will not find “The Advent of Mahdi” in the Qur’an.

The Bible, e.g. Gospel of Mathew (KJV) has this to say about Jesus:
24:30 —- and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. [That generation passed away 2000 years ago without Jesus’ return. Since then, billions of people have lived, waited and died waiting, Ah! Any interpretation of this verse can be, and has been, nothing but frankly and embarrassingly apologetic - ‘yes, but’ - situation, even for the greats such as Grahams and Franklins and Oh yes, for the PAPAS in capitals.]

Everyone Seems To Be Waiting
The dogma of a Promised One is almost Universal. It is found in every religion of the world. Probably, soon you will agree that it is nothing but wishful thinking.
When the Messiah of the Jews comes he will bestow upon them the everlasting Worldly Kingdom. Jews have already started becoming apologetic. For example, in large numbers, they are turning to believing in the Messianic Age rather than a personality.
When the Messiah of the Christians shows up again, the faithful (Alas! Only 600,000) will be taken up to the heavens in Rapture to live in the Father’s Palace up there, while the remaining billions get annihilated on this dusty earth. “Billions just could not and would not make it.” (Joseph Barber Lightfoot, Bishop of England 1880).
When Meeta or Buddha II, arrives, he will make Buddhism dominate all religions “physically and spiritually” and turn every human being into a Mahatma (The great soul).
Mithra of Zoroastrians will herald the return of the long lost Maggian glory for his followers.
Kalki Avtar (The Last Savior) will lead Hindus straight to Mukti (Salvation by non-existence – and out of the endless cycle of Reincarnation).
Tri-Thankra of Jainism will unify all human beings on earth into his religion. Then all people will become the ideal ‘Bugs Bunnies’ eating plant roots alone.
Even the ancient Tribes of Africa, Native Americans, the Aborigines of Australia, the Eskimos and inhabitants of the Amazon and the Himalaya valleys charm themselves with an oncoming, supernatural, and magical Redeemer.

TWO MAHDIS:
The greatest drama, Ma-Sha-Allah, rests with the Muslims since they have two and not one Mahdi, coming: A Sunni Mahdi and a Shi’ah Mahdi with extremely divergent action plans! And, of course, the Mullahs make them believe in the Second Coming of Jesus as well. So, they have to contend with THREE Supermen, all at one time!
Let’s think for a moment that dozens of Promised Ones have appeared in the world for a final round trying to prevail over one another. Battles, wars, massive blood shed and total chaos grab hold of our little poor planet as far as our imagination can take us, rather beyond.
How many mini-Mahdis and mini-Christs have come and gone in the last many centuries? This can be anybody’s guess but I have seen two in chains. Countless people have claimed to be the Promised One, the Mahdi or the Messiah in the last many centuries. It is a strange paradox that people keep waiting and waiting intently for someone to come. But as soon as some priest, monk, mullah, sufi, yogi, mystic, makes the claim, they raise furor against him. They even attempt to kill him.

THE PROBLEM
The real problem with the dogma of a promised one is that it serves as opiate for the masses. It snatches from them the will to strive and struggle. Well, someone will come to solve their problems and raise them to glory. The situation is quite understandable as far as other religions are concerned since they do not have Al-Qur’an, the Criterion between the right and the wrong. But it is strange that the Muslims that regard the Qur’an as their authoritative Book keep groping in the dark. We will see shortly that the Final Word of God very clearly rules out the coming of another promised one after Prophet Muhammad (S). We have documented that Maudoodi in his Tafheem vol 4 pg 163 admits that there is no place for this utopia in the Qur’an.

[Al Zulfiqar]

as long as there were honest and god fearing dai's heading our community, this issue remained latent and people were confident that one day the hidden imam would be revealed by the lucky presiding dai of that time.

but now the thinking bohras are beginning to question this whole issue, even if it is strictly in pvt. the reason this issue is getting stirred up now is simple. everyone knows that the dai, his family and all their administrative machinery are corrupt, exploitative and unislamic. they have veered off away from simple true religion into a purely outward show of religion, disguised and cleverly manipulated to loot, plunder, misguide and increase their own power and influence and crush all opposition. they have become a ruthless political machine, a commercial corporation selling trickery and deceit by using religion. now with such a family and their figurehead syedna, what would be the chance of any imam - fictitious as he may be - ever be guaranteed any recognition? who will validate him? the goons who are in power and sitting atop millions of barrels of oil, viz. chikna bohras? a true imam would have to be an honest, divine and true spiritual muslim, who would come and clear up all corruption, greed and dishonesty being perpetrated in the name of our deen. would the present day goondas ruling over us allow such an imam to appear, and validate him? ha ha...

that would be like a reincarnation of gandhi appearing and the corrupt, rascally politicians of india welcoming him with open arms? can that ever happen?

the conclusion? forget about this hidden imam and carry on believing in this concept to call yrself a bohra, because without it you cannot be bohra. simple and sweet.

billions of children believe in santa claus, while the adults know its all a pleasant diversion for the kids. in the same way, we all know there is no hidden imam, he cannot appear, yet we fool ourselves. the only difference is we are adults, so called mature mumeen....

[ghulam muhammed]

The Shia Ulema believe that the position of Infallible Imam (i.e. Imamah) is higher than the position of Messenger or Prophet (i.e. Risalah and Nabuwwah). Al-Islam.org, the popular Shia website, declares that “the office of Imamate is a higher and more exalted office than prophethood.” (Lesson Number 17, http://al-islam.org/leadership/)

Thus, the Shia Ulema believe that their twelve Infallible Imams are superior to all of the Prophets, except Prophet Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم). They argue that Prophet Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) is superior to the twelve Imams not because he was a Prophet, but rather “since Prophet Muhammad was an Imam during his time as well.” (Shia Encyclopedia, “Imamat vs. Prophethood,” Part 1, http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter6b/8.html)

The Shia belief can be stated in equation form:

Prophet Muhammad > 12 Imams > All of the other Prophets

Imamah > Prophethood

There should be absolutely no confusion on this issue; this view is the dominant view of the Shia Ulema.

Grand Ayatollah Mohammad Fazel Lankarani, one of the Head Ayatollahs in the Shia Seminary in Qum, issued the following statements on his official website:

Imam Ali (Alayhi Salam) is higher in rank than other prophets, because of his Imamate, but he is not higher in rank than the Prophet Muhammad (saws), because Muhammad (saws) was both Prophet and Imam.

Source: http://www.lankarani.org/English/faq/110q.html

The Shia further believe that the twelve Imams of the House of Prophet Muhammad have the rank higher than that of ALL the messengers (be Imam or not) except Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

Source: Shia Encyclopedia, “Imamat vs. Prophethood,” Part 1, http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter6b/8.html

Of the four main Shia books of Hadith, Al-Kafi is considered the most reliable and authoratative. In it, we find the following Shia Hadith: “The Imams possess all the knowledge granted to the angels, prophets, and messengers.” (Al-Kulaini, Al-Kafi, p.255) Another narration in Al-Kafi says: “Signs of the prophets are possessed by the Imams.” (Al-Kafi, p.231)

We could provide more references to prove our point, but we shall stop here for brevity sake. The bottom line is clear: the Shia believe that their Imams are superior to Prophets.

The Shia will argue that they do not believe in Prophets after Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم), and that their Imams are not Prophets. But, as is the case with the Shia, they swallow the second part of this statement, namely that their Imams are not Prophets but rather they are superior to Prophets. It would be Kufr enough to believe that there are people equal to Prophets after the Prophet Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم), but it is an even greater Kufr to say that there are people who are superior to the Prophets. To give an appropriate analogy: it would be Kufr to say that there is a god equal to Allah, but it would be even greater Kufr to say that there is a god greater than Allah

A central belief of Islam is that Prophet Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) is the final Prophet. Anyone who believes in a Prophet after Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) is considered a Kaffir.

Allah Almighty says in the Quran:

“Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but the Messenger of Allah and the Last of Prophets. And Allah has knowledge of everything.” (Quran 33:40)

Unfortunately, every generation and land has witnessed its fair share of false prophets. Today, many divergent cults and heretical sects still exist. And yet, no matter how divergent their beliefs are to each other, there is one commonality to them all: they do not believe in the finality of prophethood, or somehow they get around this concept by playing word games. One such example is the Qadiani sect that believes in the messengership of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadian. Another deviant sect is the Rashad Calipha sect (i.e. the Submittors) who believe that Rashad Calipha is a messenger after Muhammad. The Nation of Islam (NOI) believes that Elijah is a God-appointed leader, and the Bahais believe that Bahaiullah is a God-appointed individual after Muhammad.

These sects claim to follow the Quran and yet they defy its very words in which Allah Almighty so clearly defines Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) as the last of the Prophets. How do they justify this contradiction? They resort to a method used by the Jews: playing word games with the Word of Allah. Rashad Calipha’s sect, for example, says that Verse 33:40 only declares an end to Prophethood but not to Messengership; he thus declares that he is a Messenger and not a Prophet. In this way, the Submittors give lip service to the idea of finality of prophethood, but in reality, they exalt their leader above that of the Prophets. Similar justifications and word games are utilized by the Qadianis, who refer to their leader as a “Messiah” or “Mahdi” instead of Prophet.

In the end, all of these sects are using word games to extend the prophethood and destroy the finality of Islam. They give all the same powers, prestiges, and honors to their leaders as Prophets but they will deny that this person is a Prophet after Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم), and will use other words such as “Mahdi”, “Messiah”, or even “Messenger.” However, both Sunni and Shia Ulema declare these sects to be deviant Kuffaar for the reason that they deny the finality of prophethood. Indeed, a rose would still be a rose even if it were to be called by another name. Simply changing the name of an entity does not change the nature of that entity.

It is simply a formality that the Shia do not refer to their Imams as Prophets. Otherwise, the Imams are equal to and even superior to the Prophets. They have all the same powers, prestiges, and signs as Prophets; the Shia Hadith book, Al-Kafi, states: “Signs of the prophets are possessed by the Imams.” (Al-Kafi, p.231)

The finality of Prophethood is thus abolished in the Shia sect, and instead there is a continual extension of it in the form of Imamah. The popular Shia website, Al-Islam.org, declared: “The Shi’ah believe that the Imamate constitutes an extension of prophethood in its spiritual dimension.” (Lesson Number 24: http://al-islam.org/leadership/ )

What is the point of declaring Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) as the Last of the Prophets if there are people superior to Prophets that will come later? Why didn’t Allah say “Muhammad is the Last of the Prophets but he is also an Imam, and there will be Imams who are superior to Prophets that will come after Muhammad.” Surely, that would have cleared up the confusion.

The Shia believe that there can be no Imam after Imam Mehdi; he is the twelvth Imam and the absolute last. Anyone who claimed to be an Infallible Imam today would be declared a Kaffir by the Shia Ulema. In fact, the (Twelver) Shia call the Aga Khanis to be deviant because they believe in Imams after the twelvth. Just like Muslims believe that anyone is a Kaffir who believes in a Prophet after Muhammad (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم), so too do the Shia believe that anyone who believes in an Infallible Imam after Imam Mehdi is a Kaafir.

The Ahlus Sunnah accuses the Shia of believing in false Prophets/Messengers; indeed, the Shia simply call them by a different name (i.e. “Imam”). The Shia deny this claim and say that there is a difference between Imams and Prophets/Messengers. The typical Shia counter-response to this is:

“Nabuwwah/Risalah (Prophethood/Messengership) and Imamah are two different stations. Messengers recieve revelation. The Imams do not recieve revelation. They are only divinely inspired (ilham). So Imamah is not the same as Risalah.”

What the above fails to mention is that although Imamah may not be the same as Risalah (Messengership), it is definitely the same as Nabuwwah (Prophethood). The Shia Ulema have said that the difference between Messengers and Prophets is that the former recieves revelation whereas the latter is divinely inspired (ilham). This is rooted in the Shia belief. According to Al-Kafi, the Shia book of Hadith:

“What is a Messenger, a Prophet and one who is told? He said: A Messenger is one to whom the angel appears and speaks. A Prophet is one who sees in his dream [ilham]. Possibly the Prophethood and Messengership is combined in a single person.” (Source: Usool Al-Kafi, Book 4, 442-4)

In another narration in Al-Kafi:

“A Prophet is one who sees the angel while asleep, and hears him but does not see the angel awake [ilham]. A Messenger is one who hears the voice while awake and sees, while asleep, and also with his eyes sees the angel when awake.” (Source: Usool Al-Kafi, Book 4, 439-1)

The Shia are in agreement that there is a difference between the word “Nabi” (Prophet) and “Rasool” (Messenger). And the Shia believe that only those who are Messengers recieve revelation whereas those who are Prophets only will recieve divine inspiration (ilham).

So whereas the Shia might find some room to claim that their Imams are not the same as Messengers (for the reason that they do not recieve revelation), but they still do not prove that Imams are different than Prophets. Both Prophets and Imams receive their words through divine inspiration (ilham) only. There is thus no difference between Prophets and Imams, and the names are basically interchangeable.

We have proven in this article that the subject belief is highly questionable. We have established this fact by providing references from well-known sources in which the Shia declare their Imams to be superior to Prophets. This belief voids a person’s Kalimah since it is implicit in the Kalimah that we mean to say that the Prophet (صلّى الله عليه وآله وسلّم) is not just a Prophet, but he is the last Prophet. The Shia believe in Imams who have the same position as Prophets, and the only difference is in the names and nothing else.

By: Ibn al-Hashimi

The above article was downloaded from the internet.

[themonster31]

dear you get answere easily if u read Quran and Authentic Hadiis of mohhamed(pbuh)
I got some surprise when i get answere of this now its ur turn because in
Haddis its wrote that Imam Ul zaman come from the lineage of Imam e Hassan not imam e Hussain
But we r belived that Imam was come already from Imam e Hussain Lineage
and also he dosn't take any birth previosly he took the birth at the time
when judgementday(Qayyamat) was near
Its only the proppoganda which the religion is making that Imam Is in parda is only for money

[ghulam muhammed]

CHARACTERISTICS OF SHIA MAHDI

a. The Jewish (household of David’s) Law.

Al-Qaim or Imam Mahdi of the Shia will rule according to the laws of Prophet Daud and his kinfolks, as per the book al-Kafi authored by Abu Ja’far al-Kulaini, which according to Shia is the most saheeh book out of the four primary sources of the religion of Shia which cannot be disputed by anyone. All who followed the hadiths of Shia will find the riwayah of al-Kulaini in al-Kafi (Vol.1, pg.387-398):

Ali ibn Ibrahim narrated from – his father – from ibn Abi Umair – from Mansur – from Fadhl al-Aour – from Abi Ubaidah he reported: “When al-Qaim from the family of the prophet appears, he will rule according to the law of Daud and Sulaiman.”

Muhammad ibn Yahya narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from Muhammad ibn Sinan from Abaan who reported: “I have listened to Abu Abdullah [a.s.] said: ‘The world will not be gone (the occurrence of qiyamat) except after one from us appears and rules according to the rules of the household of Daud’”

Ahmad from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from Ibn Mahbub from Hisham ibn Salim from Ammar as Sabati he reported: “I asked Abu Abdullah [a.s.] : ‘In the name of what law would you rule with if you were to become a ruler?’ He answered: ‘According to God’s law and the law of Daud. And if we dispute over a situation where we cannot settle it, Jibril (Ruh al-Qudus) will reveal it to us.’”

Muhammad ibn Ahmad from Muhammad ibn Khalid from Nazr ibn Suwaid from Yahya al Halabi from Imran ibn A’yun from Jaeed al-Hamdani from Ali ibn al-Hussein [a.s.] he said: “I asked him, 'With what law would you judge?' He said: 'With the law of Daud, and if there is an issue that cannot be settled, Jibril (Ruh al Quds) will reveal it to us.'”

Ahmad ibn Mahran [r.a] from Muhammad ibn Ali from Ibn Mahbub from Hisham bin Salim from Ammar as Sabati reported: “I asked Imam Abu Abdullah [a.s.]: ‘With what law will you rule?’ He answered: ‘With God’s law and the law of Daud.’”

b. The Hebrew Language.

Further, the 12th Imam, the Imam Mahdi of the Shia will speak in Hebrew (Jewish):
Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Saeed al Uqdah said: Ali ibn al-Hasan at-Taymali reported to us: al-Hasan and Muhammad bin Ali ibn Yusuf said, from Sa’daan ibn Muslim, from rijal (numerous transmitters), from al-Mufadhal ibn Umar he said: Abu Abdullah [a.s] said: “When Mahdi supplicates, he will supplicate to God in Hebrew language.” [Al-Ghaybah an Nu’mani, pg. 326]

c. The Jews will follow the Imam Mahdi of the Shia.

According to Shia, the Jews will become followers of the Imam Mahdi:

Sheikh al-Mufid reported in his book, Al-Irshaad, from al-Mufadhal ibn Umar that Imam Abu Abdullah [a.s] had said: “There will appear together with Imam Mahdi.. people from the nation of Prophet Musa (Israel).” [Al-Irshaad al-Mufid, pg. 402]

According to a hadith from the book Al-Kafi, composed by al-Kulaini, when hidden Imam Mahdi learnt from a book called al-Jafr (one of the holy books of the Shia claimed to be authored by Imam Ali [a.s.]), which contains teachings from the religion of Israel:

Imam [a.s.] will remained hidden for a period of time and then said, “In our hand is al-Jafr. Do they know what al-Jafr is?” So I asked, “What are the contents of al-Jafr?” The Imams [a.s.] said, “It contains the knowledge of the Prophets and the accomplishers of their hopes and the knowledge of the Israeli intelligentsias of the past.” [al-Kafi, Hadith 635, Ch. 40, pg. 1]

[Mubarak]

Ghulam Muhammad,

First, you do not have acumen to write your self, you do copy/paste form anti-Shia websites.

Second, you do not understand Bohras faith and their Imams, what you copy / paste is irrelevant to Dawoodi Bohras Ismailiya Shia.

Third, you waste this forum space by pasting info that is already on other sites. You were once warned by Admin not to copy / paste full article but just give the link.

The big IRRELEVANT articles that you post are like empty drums sounds more!

[ghulam muhammed]

First, you do not have acumen to write your self, you do copy/paste form anti-Shia websites.

You do not have the acumen to write yourself, you do copy paste of 'daimul islam' from a version which is endorsed by your neta Shri Ahmad Ali Raj.

Second, you do not understand Bohras faith and their Imams, what you copy / paste is irrelevant to Dawoodi Bohras Ismailiya Shia.

You do not understand sunni fatih or for that matter the basic Islamic faith because as I have many times pointed out that you have zero knowledge of comparative study of religion. What you copy paste is irrelavent to the majority of Islamic ummah and are only relevant to a miniscule group of people. You are a 'kuwa me medak' who needs to come out of the well of your tall and boring claims of 'pristine bohra' into the only true 'pristine Islam'.

Third, you waste this forum space by pasting info that is already on other sites. You were once warned by Admin not to copy / paste full article but just give the link.

You waste this forum space by pasting info that is already there in your holy book 'daimul islam'. You were also once warned by admin not to spew venom on this forum.

The big IRRELEVANT articles that you post are like empty drums sounds more!

The articles that I post are not IRRELEVANT but very much deal with the subject matter only and not like your articles which always goes offtrack by way of you only spewing venom on the holy companions and nothing else. On the contrary the big IRRELEVANT articles that you post from your only holy book 'daimul islam' and blowing trumpet of your neta Shri Ahmad Ali Raj and ending with a stereo typed statement "pristine dawoodi bohras' are more like empty drums which make only unneccessary noise and disturb the decorum of this forum.

[ghulam muhammed]

you do copy/paste form anti-Shia websites.

Firstly read my posts carefully before making such irresponsible statements which you normally do in order to gain sympathy from the shia members on this forum. Whatever is stated are the extracts from shia literature with due reference of the name of their holy books alongwith page nos. Now if you or anyone else finds the shia quotes appearing in shia books as anti-shia then I dont have much to say on it. Further also note that articles on anti-shia websites are followed with personal comments by certain people and in my case there are no personal comments either from me or from any so called anti-shia. It is only a set of shia beliefs which appear in their books which are referred to here.

[Biradar]

Please ignore.

[Al-Uqul]

In Reply to the cynists Ghulam Muhammad and JC and Humsafar :

We as Believing Muslims, believe Allah when He states in the Quran that Satan, the accursed, is still alive even though he was born before Adam and that he watches us from where we CANNOT SEE him by the leave of Allah!!!

Its better if you people become atheists as you’ve failed yourself with Faulty logic and disbelieved in allah’s Ayat(signs ie. the holy Imams)

I Remember Hearing a Story That Sahl al-Khurasani Came To The 5th imam jafar Al sadiq and Asked O son of the Messenger
of Allah!

You are of the Imams of Ahlul-Bayt. What prevents you from
getting your right (i.e., the rule) while you find more than one
hundred thousand Shi'a who are ready to fight for you?" The Imam (AS)
asked him to sit down, and then ordered to turn on the oven that was
in the house. After the oven became very hot and turned red, the Imam
(AS) said: "O Khurasani step into the oven and sit in it."
The

Khurasani said: "My master, O son of the Messenger of Allah! Do not
punish me by fire and make it easy for me." At this time, Harun al-
Makki (RA) entered the room, and after the greetings exchanged, the
Imam (AS) told him to put down his shoes and to sit down inside the
oven. He did so and the Imam (AS) started talking to Sahl about
Khurasan as if nothing has happened.

After some time, the Imam (AS)
said: "O Khurasani stand up and look inside the oven." Sahl looked
into the oven and saw Harun sitting cross-legged inside the fire. Then
Imam al-Sadiq (AS) asked Harun to come out of oven and he came out
healthy with no burn or injury. At this time, the Imam (AS) asked
Sahl: "How many individuals do you know in Khurasan like this man?"

Sahl replied: "By Allah, not even one." The Imam (AS) confirmed his
saying and said, "We do not rise at this time when we do not even have
five helpers (like him). We know better about the proper time." (al-
Bihar, v47, p123, Hadith #172; also in Manaqib by Ibn Shahr Ashub)

It has to do with Having Complete Undoubted Faith According to The Isna aShari Shia , The Time of Seclusion is a Testing period From God Almighty to The Beleivers.

It is Quite amazing Sunni Muslims Believe in TWO prophets/holy men That Are in Occultation mentioned Clearly in the Quran HAZrat KHIDHR(Qur'án 18:65-82 )

AND HAZRAT ISa ,Hazrat khizr was hz.moosa companion and Isa Went to Ghaibat Aswell.The Quran Clearly States Isa will Come Back again as the Arabic Word used means someone who is in a Dream state to come Back

Yet they Ridicule such occurrences having Zero faith in Allah’s Power Or Wisdom

Or the occurrences of Malaika (Angels)and Jinn!!!!!!

Both Hidden Species

Wich are in the Sunni Pysche ‘’imaginery’’’

[Al-Uqul]

For the Atheists From a Scientific Viewpoint a Person Can live more then a 1000 Years I Would Really advize looking at the Thread '' ''''''Does Imam Taiyyeb really exist ''''''???
for references to These Studies i have posted .

The Belief in a Saviour is indeed Deeply In Grained into the Human beings philosophy

Just as the belief in One God According to Recent Research is the oldest Faith and later Polyhteism was Developed after For Example taking a Angel as a God and Attributing powers to lower Beings.

It Had Widely been Assumed opposite from Atheists Thinkers for long period.Claiming Zoroastrianism is the 1st monotheistic Faith(wich is Crap)

Though the existence of One God is Most Rational and Scientifically Proven

During Communist age they would equally say the belief in’’’’ God is a Opium for the Masses’’’

In Reply to your Article By: Ibn al-Hashimi The Belief in Imamate is a Sunni belief There is not More hadith regarding the issue as Much As I Imamate of ahli bait in sunna ahadis then this one

In Fact Quran al hakim States Obey Allah and His prophet and The Ul ul Amr(Those Vested with Authority Among you)

O' you who believe! Obey Allah, and Obey Apostle and those
from among you who are given authority (by Allah)." (Quran 4:59)

Yet it Clearly States in other Ayat Do Not Obey a Sinfull One among Them..

....and obey not from among them a sinner or an ungrateful one." (Quran
76:24)

This Means The Ul Al amr Canot Be Sinfull Unless There is Contradiction is Allah’s Word.

But Quran Surat Ahzab ayat 33 Clearly states That Ahl Al Bayt Is protected From All ‘’Rijis’’(impurity,Evil,Sin)and Thouroughly purified Completely (Wa Tathirikoum TatHiraaan)

Say, I ask no reward from you for it except the love of my kinsfolk. And
whosoever does a good deed we add unto it a greater good for him. Lo, Allah is
Forgiving, Responsive. (42:23)

And whoever disputes with thee concerning him after the inspired knowledge which
has been given unto thee, tell him, "Come, let us call our sons and your sons;
our women and your women; and ourselves and yourselves; then let us pray and
invoke Allah's curse upon those who lie." (3:61)

Hold fast to the Rope of Allah, all of you together and do not diverge. (3:103)
(sunni ulema quoted imam Al Sadiq(a.s)as saying this ‘’rope’’refers to ahl al bayt)

Be careful of your duty to Allah and be with the Truthful. (9:119)

Lo, this is My Straight Path, so follow it and do not follow other ways or else
you will diverge from His way. (6:153)

O you believe, obey Allah and obey His Messenger and those amongst you who are
give supreme authority (by Allah). (4:59)

Whoever opposes the Prophet after the guidance has been made manifest unto him
and follows any path other than the path of the true believers, We will turn him
towards that unto which he himself has turned, and We will expose him to Hell
and a bad journey it will be. (4:115)

(O Prophet) Lo! thou art a warner and for every community there is a guide.
(13:7)

Guide us in the Straight Path: The Path of those whom Thou hast blessed... (1:6-
7)

They are those whom Allah has blessed among the prophets and the verifiers, the
martyrs and the righteous. (4:69)

They (i.e., prophets and Imams) do not say anything until He orders, and they
act (in all things) by His command. He knows what is before them and what is
behind them and they (i.e., those saints) offer no intercession except for
anyone whom Allah accepts, and they are in awe and reverence of His (glory).
(21:27-28)

Verily your master is only Allah, and His messenger and those among the
believers who establish worship and pay the poor due while they are bowing down
in prayer. (5:55)

And lo! Verily I am the Most forgiving towards him who repents and believes and
does good and then follows the guidance. (20:82)

O you who believe, enter into peace, all of you, and do not follow the footsteps
of the Satan. (2:208)

Then, on that day, you will be asked concerning the blessing. (102:8)

O you Messenger, convey what has been revealed unto you by your Lord, for if you
do not do so, you will not have conveyed His message at all. And Allah will
protect you from the people. Lo! Allah guides not the disbelieving folk (5:67)

This day have We perfected for you your religion and finalized Our blessing upon
you, and We are pleased that Islam be your religion. (5:3)

A questioner asked for the inevitable punishment to befall the disbelievers
which no one can avert. (70:1-2)

And when your Lord brought forth from the lions of the Children of Adam their
seed, and made them bear testimony about their souls (He asked):"Am I not your
Lord?" They said: "Yes, we bear witness." (7:172)

Or are they jealous of those men because of that which Allah has bestowed upon
them in His bounty? (4:54)

None touches (the depth of meaning of Quran) save the PURIFIED ONES. (56:79)

No one knows its interpretation except Allah and those who are firmly ground in
knowledge. (3:7) (Al-Rasikhun Fi Ilm is ahl al bayt)

Ask the people of Reminder(prophet muhammad) if you do not know. (21:7, 16:43)

Allah frequently stated that He is the one
who assigns Imam. (see Quran 2:124, 21:73, 32:24 just as he appointed Talut over Banu Israa’’il

[Al-Uqul]

The Quran Also States Only the Purely Purified Can Touch Quran(i.e. Ahl al Bait)and that Refer it to the Ahl al Zikr when You Don’t Know(the ‘’Zikr’’is Rasoolallah and the Ahl al Zikr is his Family As per Hadiths of Imam Baqir and Imaam Assadiq(a.s)and one ayat wich calles the messsenger the ‘’zikr’’)

Allah also said in Quran:

"(O' Muhammad!) You are but a Warner, and for every community there exists a Guide." (Quran 13:7).

Prophet Muhammad was a Warner, and the Imams of his Ahlul-Bayt were each a Guide for the people of their time. In fact, the following Sunni commentators of Quran narrated that the word "Guide" in the above verse was Imam Ali (AS):

- Tafsir al-Tabari, v13, p72;
- Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, on the commentary of verse 13:7
- Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Suyuti, under verse 13:7 of Quran
- Kanz al-Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v6, p157
- Noor al-Absar, by al-Shablanji, p70
- Kunooz al-Haqa'iq, by al-Manawi, p42.

If there should be a Guide for each time, as the verse 13:7 testifies, then my question is: Who is this guide today? There should be an alive Imam in every instant of time, in order the above verses make sense

"It is not for Allah to punish them while you are among them."
(Quran 8:33)
Sunni Master Ibn hajar says this refers to the presence of a member of Ahl al bayt among the humans so Allah doesn’t unleash his wrath. Sunni reference: al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar, Ch. 11, section 1, p234

EVEN Abu Bakr said Regarding Caliphate ,to contend the claims of the Ansar

الأئمَِّةُ مِن قُريشٍ.
“Imams are from Quraysh.”
Musnad Ahmad, vol. 3, p. 129.

[Al-Uqul]

‘’’’dear you get answere easily if u read Quran and Authentic Hadiis of mohhamed(pbuh)
I got some surprise when i get answere of this now its ur turn because in
Haddis its wrote that Imam Ul zaman come from the lineage of Imam e Hassan not imam e Hussain
But we r belived that Imam was come already from Imam e Hussain Lineage
and also he dosn't take any birth previosly he took the birth at the time
when judgementday(Qayyamat) was near
Its only the proppoganda which the religion is making that Imam Is in parda is only for money’’’’’

The Sunnite Scholars Have Cast Doubt upon The notion that imam hassans lineage Hosts the Mahdi I will Quote one Study on the Matter From a twelver Shi’a Mujtahid SAYYID MUHAMMAD REZA MUDARRISI YAZDI : the case about a tradition included by Abu
Dawud in Sunan (Dar ‘Ihya’ Al-Sunnah Al-Nabawiyyah, Vol.
4, p. 108, No. 4290) in Kitab Al-Mahdi stating, “Ali (a.s) looked
at his son, Hasan (a.s), and said something implying that
Mahdi is from Hasan’s progeny.” Regardless of its
documentation, this tradition is probably misprinted,
replacing Husayn with Hasan. Because Sayyid Ibn Tawus in
Al-Tara’if (Khayyam Publication, p. 177) and Ibn Al-Bitriq in
Al-Umdah (Mu’assasah Al-Nashr Al-Islami Publication, p. 434)
have quoted the same tradition from the book entitled Al-Jam’ 6669) and Sulaymani says, “He is doubted.” (Tahdhib Al-
Tahdhib, Dar Al-Fikr, Vol. 11, p. 12) It is thus clear that what
Azim Abadi has mentioned in Awn Al-Ma’bud fi Sharh Sunan
Abi Dawud as the result of arguments, stating that Mahdi (a.s)
is from Hasan’s progeny and that he is related to Husayn (a.s)
on his mother’s side is completely wrong, because, first, the
result of arguments is possible when the truth of all of them is
proved, while our study made it clear that the tradition of
Abu Ishaq as quoted in the present versions of Sahih Abu
Dawud is invalid from different aspects.
Basically, it seems
that these two traditions quoted by Abu Dawud, that is the
tradition implying that the name of Mahdi’s father is
Abdullah and another one saying that Mahdi (a.s) is from
Hasan’s progeny, are fabricated by the proponents of
Muhammad Ibn Abdullah Ibn Hasan, known as Al-Nafs Al-
Zakiyyah (The pious Spirit). Even some people like Al-Mansur
Al-Dawaniqi, the Abbasid caliph, before the establishment of
The Abbasid dynasty, had named him Mahdi and sworn
allegiance to him. However Muhaddith Qumi, in his book
entitled Muntaha Al-Amal, says, “Abu Al-Faraj and Sayyid Ibn
Tawus have frequently narrated that Abdullah al-Mahz, the
father of Al-Nafs Al-Zakiyyah, and all his family denied his
being the promised Mahdi.” (See: Muntaha Al-’Amal, Section
on the murder of Muhammad Ibn Abdullah)

[Al-Uqul]

But of Course the Sunni Religion is the By product of Ummayads /Abbasids propaganda and Scribes As ‘’Danish’’Said Earlier the Ahadis were Written 250 yrs after prophet By abbassid Government paid ‘’Scholars’’

Yet They Refused to get knowledge From Ahl al bait Wich has the True narratives(hadiths)And Cannot Lie about their Grandfather or his Sayings Proven on Many Quranic Verses….But Rather From Sahaba wich the Quran Clearly Condemns.

Also According To the Twelvers ‘’’’’Akhbari’’’and Druzes (Beleiving in the Purdah of Imam al hakim(a.s))and’’’’ Sulaimani’’’ Bohra who have Authentic Da’I from Bohra Context, There is No Khums or Islamic punishments or Such Things without the presence of the Just Imam (This is even in Da’’a’’im Ul –Islam By Qadhi Al Nomaan)So How a belief in purdah only For Money???plz Explain

The YOUNG AGE of Imam Tayyib is Also made Fun of by the Munafiqin While Allah clearly states in quran Al-Hakeem

"But she(Mary) pointed to the baby. They said: 'How can we talk to one who is a CHILD in the cradle?' He said: 'I am indeed a servant of Allah. He HAS GIVEN me Scripture and ASSIGNED me a prophet, and He has made me blessed wherever I be, and has enjoined on me Prayer and Zakat as long as I live.'" (Quran 19:29-31)

We have the example of Jesus (A.S) who became prophet and spoke to people when he was a BABY in the cradle!!!!!!!!!!

Allah the All-Wise Has Mentioned in His Book :

'O Yahya! Take hold of the Book with might,' And We gave him the appointment (of prophethood) in his CHILDHOOD." (Quran 19:12 )

Have you ever heard of prodigies? They are kids between the ages of 4 to 18 that exhibit exceptional skills that are usually found in highly qualified adults only. Here are some examples from the modern history:

John Stuart Mill (1806-73), a 19th-century English philosopher and economist, advocated utilitarian reforms in his many writings and as member of Parliament. A child prodigy, Mill had mastered Greek by the age of 7 and studied economics at the age of 13. His works express his social thought with great clarity and thoroughness. (The Bettmann Archive).

The French thinker, mathematician, and scientist Blaise Pascal (1623-62) has been credited not only with imaginative and subtle work in geometry and other branches of mathematics, but with profoundly influencing later generations of theologians and philosophers. A prodigy in mathematics, Pascal had mastered Euclid's Elements by the age of 12. Pascal invented and sold the first calculating machine (1645).

Wolfgang was the greatest musical child prodigy who ever lived. He began composing minuets at the age of 5 and symphonies at 9.

Beethoven's own talent was such that at the age of 12 he was already an assistant to the organist Christian Gottlob Neefe, with whom he studied.

Sarah Caldwell, born Maryville, Mo., Mar. 6, 1924, is a conductor and producer. A child prodigy in both mathematics and music, before reaching the age of ten.

Indeed Allah (SWT) asserts unequivocally in Quran that if He wanted something, all He has to do is to say to it is: "Be! and it will be!". (KUN FAYAKUN!!!!!!!!!!!)

The Hanafi scholar, Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi, in his book "Tathkirat al-Khawas al-Ummah", pp 325-328 gives the names of 22 people believed by Muslims to have lived various ages from 3,000 down to 300 years!

Moreover, scientifically speaking, there are no objections whatsoever to the extended life span assertion.

A group of scientists conducted a series of experiments at the Rockefeller Institute in New York in 1912 on certain "parts" of plants, animals, and humans.

These scientists included Dr. Alex Carl, Dr. Jack Lope, and Dr. Warren Lewis and his wife, among others. Among the experiments conducted was one that directly treated the nerves, muscles, hearts, skin, and kidneys of human beings.

These organs were not connected to a human body; they were independent organs that were perhaps donated for the experiment.

It was concluded by the scientists that these "parts or organs" CAN continue to live almost indefinitely as long as they are nourished properly, and as long as they are shielded from external negative interactions like microbes and other obstacles that might inhibit the growth of these organs; furthermore, the assertion was made that the cells would continue to grow normally under the above conditions, and that the growth is directly related to the nourishment provided.

Again, aging had no effect on these organs, and they grew every year without any signs of deterioration. The scientists concluded that these organs will continue to grow as long as the patience of the scientists themselves is not exhausted, causing them to abandon the nourishment process.

Second, with regards to the occultation of Al Tayyib Abil Qasim (PBUH), the Quran does NOT rule out such an occurrence at all!!

the examples of Jesus (AS) and al-Khidr (AS), who are both in occultation, are worthy of mentioning.

[Al-Uqul]

Concerning Why The Secluded imam doesn’t appear now I have Boorwed this Explanation partially From a Twelver Shia Scholar

1. A very easy answer would be: This is Allah's Will. His Will is based on His infinite wisdom. The appearance of Imam al-Mahdi solely depends on the decision of Allah. He knows best how to act. The question might be as naive as asking: Why some people are black and some are white? Why some are beautiful while others are not? This is Allah's decree.

2. A better answer (which also answers why some are beautiful and others are not, etc.) would be: IT IS A TEST. Allah could send all people to paradise directly. But He didn't, because He wanted to TEST us. (The test of Allah is actually a test that proves the facts for ourselves as witness, otherwise Allah has the foreknowledge of everything). Only those who are obedient to Allah deserve paradise. Now, Allah is testing us that how we react in the sinful environment. If somebody preserve himself in today's world has much more reward than if he does that at the time when Imam al-Mahdi appears, because at that time the environment will be absolutely healthy and it will be much easier to preserve oneself. This was just one aspect, however. Remember that ONLY Imam al-Mahdi will have an opportunity to conquer the whole world. Even our Prophet (PBUH&HF) could not do that. So the difficult test was for all era and was not just for us.

3. Imam al-Mahdi (AS) will come as soon as people become ready for him. People throughout the history were NEVER ready. They killed prophets, and Imams one after the other. However Allah continued to send prophets till He finally sent Prophet Muhammad who brought the last message at the time when the evolution of the mind of human being reached its maturity, and thus Allah provided them with the most complete and final religion. After that there was no need to send a new message. Thus He sent Guides (Imams) who preserved and explained the message during the time of tribulation, for people. They also did that, and we are proud that we have had Imams like Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq (AS) who explained all aspects of Jurisprudence, etc. He had a golden opportunity of teaching during the clashes between the Umayad and the Abbasids. During that short period when the tyrants of both sides were busy with each other, the Imam was teaching Jurisprudence and theology in classes with as much as 5000 students. (No need to mention that Abu Hanifa was one of his students). Now the time is for action. But unfortunately the majority of people were/are reluctant to follow the right path, and instead, they opposed and killed the Imams of Ahlul-Bayt, and treated them in the same way that their ancestors treated the prophets. (Even Prophet Muhammad said: "No Prophet was ever annoyed as much as me"). The situation will continue till such time when people REALIZE that they need a divinely appointed Imam who rule over them since they can't solve their problems by themselves. When this happens universally, and when people BECOME FRUSTRATED AND DISAPPOINTED from any type of "ism" (way of life, ideology), and when all raise their hands for help, then people are then ready for him. They will not kill him like they did with the others, nor do they treat him unjustly. They will rather accept him. Of course, this will not happen till people of the word undergo much heavier afflictions, world-wide wars, mass destructions by satanic powers (such as Dajjal and Sufyani) which are not difficult to foresee in a near future.

4. Imam al-Mahdi will come when all types of ideologies are tested and they fail. At that time people will understand that they do not have any more solution and they will accept the solution of Imam al-Mahdi easily. For instance, look at communism which came to practice in Russia 100 years ago. People of the world at that time thought that this would be the best way of life which guarantees the prosperity of mankind. But to their surprise, it crashed recently from within itself showing that this solution is failed in practice. Now some people think that Capitalism may solve their problems completely. This system is also about to crash, because the whole system is based on interest (Riba). The situation has reached to the point that people of the USA have the heaviest debt in the world. The studies even show that People here will never be able to pay their debt in full. And this was just from economy point of view. People also suffer from other type of corruption, lust, and lack of spiritualities, etc. Such system is subject to crash sooner or later, one way or another. And when all type of ways of life showed their deficiency IN PRACTICE, people will, then, HONOR THE TRUTH


Imam denounces the Kothar actions per quran al kareem :

[Shakir 7:44] And the dwellers of the garden will
call out to the inmates of the fire: Surely we have
found what our Lord promised us to be true; have
you too found what your Lord promised to be true?
They will say: Yes. Then a crier will cry out
among them that the curse of Allah is on the
unjust.

Mawlana Ali Al-Murtadha Said :
"As soon as it was possible for you to
misappropriate the Ummah's trust, you hastened to
turn around and attack, and made a swift leap to
snatch away whatever you could from the property
meant for their widows and their orphans as a wolf
snatches a wounded and helpless goat.” - Nahj Ul Balagah - Letter No. 41.

[JC]

My simple question ........... WHY 'TEST' WHY God wants to Test Human Beings??? and for what??

Isn't He in the first place who has created us all??!! Does not everything go by His will, wishes and desires??

It is just letting a child go near the fire, let him burn and then kind of punish him for not obeying when you were very much capable of 'stopping' him .........

Allah's WILL ........... yes it is always Allah's will, so when He feels appropirate he will Do or Act .......

So why all this tamasha??

Some say God has created human beings to PRAY in so many ways ........ to be His subjects ....... WHY?? He is all in all. So does he LIKE to be praised?? Does he want our Ebadaat ........ the reply is NO ......... so why make me go thru all this??