Saudi Law allows pedophilia.

[Biradar]

As discussed on this board before, Islamic law, at least as practiced by the Salafi/Wahhabis allows marriage of old men and little girls, as young as eight:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7999777.stm

Thankfully, the Saudis are now trying to regulate this. However, the religious mullahs and other assorted fools will still oppose this:

Earlier this year, the country's highest religious authority, the Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Shaikh, said it was not against Islamic law to marry off girls who are 15 and younger.

Of course, there is a precedent in the hadiths for this type of wicked behaviour. So it would seem hard to get rid of it completely as long as the equation mullahs=obscurantist-fools holds. Hopefully the mullahs and alims on this board will not come out of the wood work to defend this wicked behaviour.

[jawanmardan]

Truly shocking, although as you mentioned the Saudi government under pressure from international opinion is undertaking steps to reform.
It's a tricky balancing act between applying the right amount of scrutiny to encourage reform, yet not too much as to alienate Saudi public opinion.

It's hard to remain level headed when young children face being raped. However we should bare in mind that this is a regressive society, which hasn't developed the same values as the rest of us; and we can only but encourage reform, not impose it.

[Fatwa Banker]

Saudi government is "reforming" all the time to satisfy the buyers of oil from the West that sustains the family. Problem is not reform, but enforcement of those reforms. How about getting rid of the religious police for starters ?

[syed]

read a little about the world around you with open eyes,
but you are biased so obviously you wont.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

Philippines = 12
Japan = 13
Traveling Americans = 12 !!! whoaa !!
Zimbabwe = 12
Sweden = 15
Spain = 13
South Korea = 13
Mexico = 12


you farts never cried over these !! just Saudia Arab ? tch tch...


Still with Regards
Syed

[jawanmardan]

read a little about the world around you with open eyes,
but you are biased so obviously you wont.

http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm

Philippines = 12
Japan = 13
Traveling Americans = 12 !!! whoaa !!
Zimbabwe = 12
Sweden = 15
Spain = 13
South Korea = 13
Mexico = 12


you farts never cried over these !! just Saudia Arab ? tch tch...


Still with Regards
Syed

You've confused "age of consent" with "marital age". If your unaware of the ethical and practical differences, I would be only too willing to point them out to you.

My Regards.

[syed]

aha
You mean these countries allow you to have sex with 12 year old kids out of marriage and dump them .. probably pregnant, but if someone actually want to marry them with all the obligations that come with a marriage contract, then its not OK.

well, i understand that.. since exactly that is the thought that is working, its OK to fornicate with a new woman every night but its not OK if the man want to marry more then 1 women and give them a status in society . !

what is that hypocrisy ?

anyway, maybe this idea of differentiation between "age of consent" and "marital age" suits you, but not Muslims, since we see legal sex only within marriage.

WBR
Syed

[Biradar]

Here we witness a tactic used by obscurantist mullah and alims. If your house stinks then point to others to distract attention from your own mess. Mulla saheb, the question of age of consent in various countries is irrelevant. If Wahhabi/Salafi Islam is such a blessing to humanity maybe it should be the first to elevate the status of women from merely that of chattels. This news item I pointed out amounts to nothing more that the father selling his 8 year old daughter. Worse, mullahs and alims like yourself and from Saudi are defending this as being okay. Sorry, just pointing to others having problem is not going to help. Your house still stinks.

BTW: if you are an adult and have sex with a minor in the US you will land straight in jail and will never be able to lead a normal life again, even if you escape being pounded to death in prison. Pedophiles should treated as worse than scum. Hiding behind religion will not help you. Also, also, sexually matters between consenting adults is not prosecuted by the state in liberal secular countries as the it is non of their business. It is neither the business of mullahs or alims either.

[jawanmardan]

Syed,
You clearly don't seem to have grasped the difference; young children who enter puberty begin to develop their sexuality; they have the feelings but lack the mental faculty to deal with them. "Age of Consent" allows for the fact that some children may act on their feelings with other pubescent children. Not adults.

Traveling Americans = 12 !!! whoaa !!

A 12 year old American abroad can consent to having sexual intercourse with someone who must be at most 15 years old, anyone older than that would be considered a statutory rapist.

A 15 year old and a 12 year old, may engage in sexual activity without being aware of the consequences, adults should know better. The law provides for that. The minimum age for an adult American to engage in sexual activity with a younger partner is 16.

Saudi law is giving a grown adult most likely a man the right to engage in sexual activity with an 8 year old. Marriage is ideally for life; eight year olds haven't a clue about sex, their still watching cartoons, and playing with toys, they have no clue about what kind of partner they would like to married to, what kind of career they would like to pursue. Many eight year olds haven't even reached puberty yet! Not to mention the immense physical damage that would cause.

I hope you can now see the difference, the Saudi law is sickening.

[anajmi]

jawanmardan,

I agree with you on this one. A girl should be at least 18 years of age before she can be allowed to get married. After that age she is free to marry anyone she wants. Consider the playboy star who married a guy the age of her grand father. No one objected as she was an adult and free to make that decision.

[Fatwa Banker]

Biradar and JM pointed out a very important distinction. The only thing I have to add is perhaps a Freudian Slip by Syed when he says

man want to marry more then 1 women and give them a status in society . !

He admits that Muslim women have no status in society unless they are married ("chattel"). Then again, if that is the case, why stop at 4 ?

[anajmi]

Actually what he meant was to change their status in society from "available" as willing partners for those on the prowl, like yourself, to "protected". Although I am sure marriage is the least of your concerns while hunting for willing partners, but for most it will be like a big stop sign.

[Fatwa Banker]

change their status in society from "available" as willing partners for those on the prowl, like yourself, to "protected".

Except every fourth night.....

[syed]

you see,
the point is that

1) you cry hoarse only for Muslim countries for a practice while it is equally accepted everywhere
2) no where i see that you actually objected to the age difference, you simply pointed to a MUSLIM COUNTRY accepting a certain practice..

just to make it clear i also dont agree that a girl should be married off if she is not an adult,
and also that the girls consent is a MUST for her marriage

in most countries AGE OF CONSENT / AGE OF MARRIAGE are SAME.. there is no difference,
apart from that there is a difference between marriage and consummation of marriage,and marriage doesn't not necessarily means that girl would be sent to grooms bedroom and raped.

[syed]

Biradar and JM pointed out a very important distinction. The only thing I have to add is perhaps a Freudian Slip by Syed when he says

man want to marry more then 1 women and give them a status in society . !

He admits that Muslim women have no status in society unless they are married ("chattel"). Then again, if that is the case, why stop at 4 ?

You and your kind are experts since ages in taking things out of context .. who can win with hypocrites like you

WBR
Syed

[anajmi]

Fart,

So you go on the prowl every fourth night? Are you related to werewolves?

[anajmi]

Then again, if that is the case, why stop at 4 ?

Because that is the command of Allah. Prior to that, 4 didn't even come close, as it in the west, where you can have as many willing partners as you want. Infact, in the west, they have made it easier for you to treat women as "chattel". You can sleep with as many as you want, as our friends who have evolved from monkeys will point out. And then in the morning, you can say sayonara and be on your way. No commitments, no responsibility. No wonder the number of bastards in the west all seem to have evolved from monkeys.

[Fatwa Banker]

..and yet you chose to relocate to the US with your family to live amongst the "bastard" "monkeys" ? Why ?

[syed]

..and yet you chose to relocate to the US with your family to live amongst the "bastard" "monkeys" ? Why ?

show mercy on everyone, even those blinded by their lusts.. so probably he chose to live there and try to show you whats wrong with you.

come back with something decent dude..

[anajmi]

syed,

You are right, just like the Americans went into Iraq to make it a better place, I came here to make this a better place.

[danishwar]

[anajmi]

The only difference being, I didn't kill a million innocents or destroy this country in the process.

[Fatwa Banker]

I came here to make this a better place.

You mean like you made Afghanistan a better place or Pakistan or Sudan or Saudi Arabia or Somalia ? Which Muslim country did Muslims ever make a better place ?

At least show us some gratitude for allowing you to better your life and that of your family instead of spewing hatred.

[anajmi]

You mean like you made Afghanistan a better place

No, I mean just like how the Americans made Iraq a better place. Just without the killing of a million innocents and destruction of the country.

[Fatwa Banker]

Which Muslim country did Muslims ever make a better place ?

[anajmi]

We have the Americans for that.

[Fatwa Banker]

Which Muslim country did Muslims ever make a better place ?

[anajmi]

We have the Americans for that.

[Fatwa Banker]

Then shut the **** up, let us do our job, and quit yer whining. Iraq this Iraq that Waaaa-Waaaa-Waaaa.

A billion Muslims, "religion of peace", "fastest growing religion", and you don't have a single fringing country that is not an armpit. Bush was wrong. You want to win the hearts and minds of Muslims ? Let them be...they will self-destruct.

[anajmi]

Ain't I supposed to be the one whining?