ghanu jeevo.. ta qayamat ghanu jeevo...

[Al Zulfiqar]

""Aqa Maula TUS did Zikr of Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ some of which is described below.

While doing Doa, Aqa Maula TUS ke "Khuda yaari aape. Mein Tamara darmiyan ma rahu, tamara waaste, desh waaste, aalaam waaste Doa karto rahu."

Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ Yamul Khamees na din Syedna Taher Saifuddin AQ Maulana Moiyaad uz Shiraazi ni majlis musalsal parhi.

Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ ye Rajab ul Asab na 10 waras na roza farmaaya.

A few lines of Nasim a sabah were recited.

Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ Imam Hussain AS na saccha aashiq tha.

1347 ma Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ ye Karachi ma Adam Masjid nu Iftitah and Ashara Mubaraka farmaaya. Aap Imam Hussain AS ni zikr farmaawta to Maatam ane buka no kohraam machi jaato."" ...(from maalumat)

some more unadulterated bull! so what did the ex-tyrant do that is so unique? several members of my family have done 10 yrs of rajab roza's.

all bohras and shia's are saccha ashiq of imam hussain. most bohra chidren can recite from quran at an early age..

btw, nowadays, the syedna does not wait for us to sing ghanu jeevo's for him. he himself pleads for a long life in his own words as above. isn't it pathetic? the great ali used to eat extremely frugally, partook very little of the comforts and luxuries of this world, constantly looking forward to meet his maker, Allah! and here u have a man who begs for a long life and more of the symbols of pomp and power..

[fatema]

in fact i am reproducing that post here so that fanatic abde syednas can get another opportunity to reply..

9. has he established any charitable organisations anywhere in the world which aid destitute and disaster stricken human beings?
10. how many poor bohras and muslims he has visited in slums and relief camps in his entire lifetime?
11. how many religious and scholarly books or papers has he published?
12. has he ever made any attempts to reach out to those amongst his flock who have been wronged and bring them back into the fold with sincere love and regrets at the way they were made to suffer?
13. has he ever honestly declared his income and assets and given 2.5% out of it as zakat?
14. has he ever paid income tax to the indian govt?
15. how many poor bohras have ever got free medical treatment on his account, the same as he gets?
16. how many poverty stricken bohras have got free medical treatment in saifee hospital?
17. how many bank accounts does he and his family have in banks around the world, the deposits in them and the interest earned?
18. what wealth did he start with and how much has he multiplied it in his lifetime?
19. how many animals has he hunted in his lifetime, and how many of them were on the endangered list?
20. how many guns does he possess or he knows how to use?
21. how many mullah's, shaikh's, MKD's and NKD's has he created so far and the amounts got from each as salaams?
22. how many ziyafats, foreign trips, samuh nikahs, scout band competitions, makdam ni majlises he has attended etc?
23. how many court cases going on against him and how many has he filed?
24. what is the number of laanats uttered by him against the "first 3", sir adamji peerbhoy, and other sundry dawat-na-dushmans big and small?
25. how many times has he met mother teresa, abdul sattar edhi, dalai lama, nelson mandela, and other great philantropists and social reformers and nobel prize winners and given them donations to help their causes?
26. how many bohra sportsmen has he encouraged or awarded?
27. how many bohra scientists, inventors, writers, poets, researchers has he supported and encouraged?
28. from all the money collected from jamats worldwide for poor bohras to go for hajj, karbala, raudat tahera etc, pls let us know in full details how many have actually been sent?

.....phew...

Hey in response to your questions

1. how many poor bohra widows has the syedna rehabilitated?
2. how many poor widows of any religion is the syedna supporting right now?
3. how many bohra/muslim/non-muslim orphans has he financially supported in his lifetime?

Hmm, i cant give you the exact figure to this. but i am certain he has done much much more for welfare of society than you have. and if you do sit to count you did spend your life time just trying to count.

He has changed life's of he has touched. helped orphans find good bohri homes, and helped people in ways beyond your peee brains comprehension.

4. how many masjids has he built with his own money, without taking a single paisa from any bohra?
5. how many community centres/markaz's has he constructed on his own?
6. how many insitutions of secular primary education?
7. how many institutions of secondary education?
8. any educational insitution of world class standards established by him at all?

see the money that we bohri give our aqa moula is his money not ours. and what he has done out it is very visible in every single markaz, mazar and roja. feeding endless pilgrims each day coming to different roza for prayers and to support a system such as that requires more skill than money and more than both this is nothing less than a miracles. everything right from the masjid, to markaz, to every bohri community common property is owned by him. So your question of what he has built is quite irrelevant. and ya most of the designs of mosques too are looked in my moula so he has done more than just give money. and it is his paisa so if he takes it frm us we are happy to give him more.

for people who don't feel this way maybe you should serious evaluate which side you are on, you cant call your self a bohri and not like moula. if you call the Bohri community fenetics maybe we are but i don't see the harm in that. its jus abt loving some body how is that wrong. all we are expected to do is beat ourselves on the chest and chant ghanu jeevo- well c we are praying for our moulas well being- i don't get what your problem with that is. don't you pray for your parents safety and well being? and we are expected to hit our chest and not burn or rip or hurt an other soul. that also cant be wrong.

and finally i did like to add there are about 25-30 questions listed on top right. I want to know from you how many of these things have you done. how many ppl have you helped? how many orphans have you adopted or helped, how many mosques have you built and how many schools have you created.

see asking questions might be easy but if you have actually even done half the things is the question then maybe talking about them here and accusing some one else would be a relevant thing to do. if you haven't then maybe you should spend time doing some of those things than pointing fingers at some one and accusing them of something especially when that some one is Aqa Moula

ow and there was this post about " ghanu jevo" and how it talks about wishing hell for your enemies and then some one commented on Buddhism and Hinduism don't preach hatred - Hinduism biggest festival diwali is based on ram burning evil ravan and giving him a taste of hell now if celebrating that is ok then just hoping for hell and not burning enemies ourself should also be ok right? also have you seen most of the gods of Hinduism all of them have a weapon next to them- kali mata- she looks scary and she has heads in her hand. and ppl offer prayer to that. would you term that also as preaching violence? there are plenty such example i can give. and you guys still believe that prayer for some ones long life is preaching hatred !!

[Hussain_KSA]

Fatima,

Welcome to forum.

[Zeal]

see the money that we bohri give our aqa moula is his money not ours.

how ?

and if yes, why does he give us that money if he wants it back?

[anajmi]

This is another example of shirk on the part of the abdes. Allah says in the quran that he is the one who provides sustenance (food, money etc are a part of that sustenance). Abdes have now given that credit to their Dai when they say that what they have is their Mola's.

[ghulam muhammed]

Hmm, i cant give you the exact figure to this. but i am certain he has done much much more for welfare of society than you have.

He has changed life's of he has touched. helped orphans find good bohri homes, and helped people in ways beyond your peee brains comprehension.

what he has done out it is very visible in every single markaz, mazar and roja. feeding endless pilgrims each day coming to different roza for prayers and to support a system such as that requires more skill than money and more than both this is nothing less than a miracles. everything right from the masjid, to markaz, to every bohri community common property is owned by him. So your question of what he has built is quite irrelevant.

Sis Fatema,

If any God fearing person had even one fifth the wealth of what your mola has alongwith an army of slaves who would not even think twice but fell on top of one another to shower wealth, if people paid him in crores just for paying a single visit to their homes, if there were people queing up with bags of money just to get some insignificant titles which has no relevance in this present world or the world hereafter, if people gave lacs just to bury their dead relatives (the list is endless) then yes he would give much much more in return then what your mola gives. And the beauty of it is that even after that he could afford a life of luxury for himself and his extended family in a way that even the kings would envy.

[fatema]

first - Its good to see that you pay so much attention in moulas vahaz!! it would be soo much better if u did it with some faith.

I dont understand why you would want to attend the vahaz if u didnt have any faith in our moula delivering the vahaz. soent that reflect on your stupidity more than any thing else.

""Aqa Maula TUS did Zikr of Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ some of which is described below.

While doing Doa, Aqa Maula TUS ke "Khuda yaari aape. Mein Tamara darmiyan ma rahu, tamara waaste, desh waaste, aalaam waaste Doa karto rahu."

Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ Yamul Khamees na din Syedna Taher Saifuddin AQ Maulana Moiyaad uz Shiraazi ni majlis musalsal parhi.

Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ ye Rajab ul Asab na 10 waras na roza farmaaya.

A few lines of Nasim a sabah were recited.

Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ Imam Hussain AS na saccha aashiq tha.

1347 ma Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb AQ ye Karachi ma Adam Masjid nu Iftitah and Ashara Mubaraka farmaaya. Aap Imam Hussain AS ni zikr farmaawta to Maatam ane buka no kohraam machi jaato."" ...(from maalumat)

some more unadulterated bull! so what did the ex-tyrant do that is so unique? several members of my family have done 10 yrs of rajab roza's.

all bohras and shia's are saccha ashiq of imam hussain. most bohra chidren can recite from quran at an early age..

btw, nowadays, the syedna does not wait for us to sing ghanu jeevo's for him. he himself pleads for a long life in his own words as above. isn't it pathetic? the great ali used to eat extremely frugally, partook very little of the comforts and luxuries of this world, constantly looking forward to meet his maker, Allah! and here u have a man who begs for a long life and more of the symbols of pomp and power..

And secondly if all bohris are saccha ashiq of imam hussain it is only coz of our dais. there are lots of other muslims that you see today who are soo dazed abt what their actual values are and what is it that they shld believe is right. if our dai, our moula is showing that to us then how is he wrong. And if you are saccha ashiq of imam hussian how can you possibly not like the dai who encourages you to always and always remember that imam and shed tears!!

reciting quran - most bohris can do that but again we were taught how to do that by your not so fav mulla sahebs , who learnt the same from jamia, that is again established by a dai- whose succesor is Moula mohammed burhanuddin! So if most bohris can recite quran isnt it again somehow coz of our moula!!

Coming to the story of Moula Ali- Well the only reason we still know that story is coz our Dai told us so. In his bayan. Now arent you a moron if you rem the story believe it and still dont believe in the man who told you the story in first place.

[fatema]

Sis Fatema,

If any God fearing person had even one fifth the wealth of what your mola has alongwith an army of slaves who would not even think twice but fell on top of one another to shower wealth, if people paid him in crores just for paying a single visit to their homes, if there were people queing up with bags of money just to get some insignificant titles which has no relevance in this present world or the world hereafter, if people gave lacs just to bury their dead relatives (the list is endless) then yes he would give much much more in return then what your mola gives. And the beauty of it is that even after that he could afford a life of luxury for himself and his extended family in a way that even the kings would envy.

your pt is that some one else would do much more if they had what my moula has ! but the irony of the story is there is no such man who has what MY moula does! nobody has the power to command as much respect as he does or to be loved by endless audiance of bohris like he does. NO body is that sought aftr that for their one glance ppl would pay all their lifes wealth. nobody is that important as he is to the ppl who love him to stack up all they own at his feet!! NOW doesnt that tell you some thing abt him. That maybe he is A great man! He is OUR dai- Our moula!!

[fatema]

how ?

and if yes, why does he give us that money if he wants it back?

Well see it works like this- when you earn money and then come home and give it to your - wife/mother/ family ! they didnt give it to you but they have a right to it! Our dai means more to us than our family so he too has a right over our money that why the term "his money"

second you pay your govt taxes that is your duty right- dont we in islam have an obligation to pay zakat to haq na imam! now if the Imam has appointed Dai to represent him we shld be paying the dai! that is exactly what we are doing! And like I have specified in my previous posts that Moula Mohammad burhanuddin is our Moula our Dia- so it is his right to claim for that money.

[SBM]

Fatema
let me break the bubble you live in. Dalai Lama has more following and gets more respect from all around the world
When was the last time Syedna addressed US Congress forget US Congress, he was not even received as State Guest in most of the Muslim Countries, When did he addressed the OIC (Organization of Islamic Countries).
Even Tendulkar and Gavaskar have more following than Syedna and there names are more recognizable then Syedna
I do not mean to downgrade the position of Syedna but please donot exaggerate the facts and figures
He may be everything for you and that is your choice but do not mis-quote the facts

[like_minded]

I dont understand why you would want to attend the vahaz if u didnt have any faith in our moula delivering the vahaz. soent that reflect on your stupidity more than any thing else.

Real scholars/spiritual persons don't expect their audiences to take their word on faith or respect, instead they emphasis on their (audiences) ability to reason, Unfortunately the likes of Syedna who has nothing worthwhile to offer to his brain-dead followers except some 'fairy tales' and blatant lies... and therefore it becomes absolutely necessary for the brain-dead followers to swallow all the rubbish out of blind faith.

[like_minded]

your pt is that some one else would do much more if they had what my moula has ! but the irony of the story is there is no such man who has what MY moula does! nobody has the power to command as much respect as he does or to be loved by endless audiance of bohris like he does. NO body is that sought aftr that for their one glance ppl would pay all their lifes wealth. nobody is that important as he is to the ppl who love him to stack up all they own at his feet!! NOW doesnt that tell you some thing abt him. That maybe he is A great man! He is OUR dai- Our moula!!

He has absolute power! no doubt about it... Years of fleecing wealth from his own followers, enslaving them, bribing politicians, coming down heavily on dissidents, hunting down innocent animals and projecting himself as God on earth... who can match syedna??? Just nobody!!

A great man as you say he is would never want his follower to stack all his wealth at his feet, only a highly corrupt man would want that.

[like_minded]

And secondly if all bohris are saccha ashiq of imam hussain it is only coz of our dais.

Yes.. your dai will bend backwards to keep Imam hussain alive among the brain-dead followers because that's his product, isn't it? his trump card? Like how a politician keeps an issue pending or creates a new to take advantage at the time of elections and win votes.

Remember, a saccha aashiq of Imam hussain will never agree with the dai, he'll stand up and revolt. So, stop fooling yourself!

[Hades]

And secondly if all bohris are saccha ashiq of imam hussain it is only coz of our dais.

Yes.. your dai will bend backwards to keep Imam hussain alive among the brain-dead followers because that's his product, isn't it? his trump card? Like how a politician keeps an issue pending or creates a new to take advantage at the time of elections and win votes.

Remember, a saccha aashiq of Imam hussain will never agree with the dai, he'll stand up and revolt. So, stop fooling yourself!

LOL ... Hussain was the grandson of the Prophet of the GOD you don't believe in ....Just saying....

You need to stop fooling yourself...Here you are asking people who believe in God to revolt by using Hussain another God believing person...Again stop fooling yourself...

[Hades]

in fact i am reproducing that post here so that fanatic abde syednas can get another opportunity to reply..

9. has he established any charitable organisations anywhere in the world which aid destitute and disaster stricken human beings?
10. how many poor bohras and muslims he has visited in slums and relief camps in his entire lifetime?
11. how many religious and scholarly books or papers has he published?
12. has he ever made any attempts to reach out to those amongst his flock who have been wronged and bring them back into the fold with sincere love and regrets at the way they were made to suffer?
13. has he ever honestly declared his income and assets and given 2.5% out of it as zakat?
14. has he ever paid income tax to the indian govt?
15. how many poor bohras have ever got free medical treatment on his account, the same as he gets?
16. how many poverty stricken bohras have got free medical treatment in saifee hospital?
17. how many bank accounts does he and his family have in banks around the world, the deposits in them and the interest earned?
18. what wealth did he start with and how much has he multiplied it in his lifetime?
19. how many animals has he hunted in his lifetime, and how many of them were on the endangered list?
20. how many guns does he possess or he knows how to use?
21. how many mullah's, shaikh's, MKD's and NKD's has he created so far and the amounts got from each as salaams?
22. how many ziyafats, foreign trips, samuh nikahs, scout band competitions, makdam ni majlises he has attended etc?
23. how many court cases going on against him and how many has he filed?
24. what is the number of laanats uttered by him against the "first 3", sir adamji peerbhoy, and other sundry dawat-na-dushmans big and small?
25. how many times has he met mother teresa, abdul sattar edhi, dalai lama, nelson mandela, and other great philantropists and social reformers and nobel prize winners and given them donations to help their causes?
26. how many bohra sportsmen has he encouraged or awarded?
27. how many bohra scientists, inventors, writers, poets, researchers has he supported and encouraged?
28. from all the money collected from jamats worldwide for poor bohras to go for hajj, karbala, raudat tahera etc, pls let us know in full details how many have actually been sent?

.....phew...

Wasn't it Ali who said " If you help someone with your right hand you should be so discreet that even your left hand doesn't know about it " ?? Or was it someone else ?? I am not being able to put a ring to it....

[anajmi]

That is only if you are spending your own money you moron and not the people's money. First understand what was said under what context and then speak, lest you betray your foolishness. Which is on full display, I might add. LOL!!

[Hades]

That is only if you are spending your own money you moron and not the people's money. First understand what was said under what context and then speak, lest you betray your foolishness. Which is on full display, I might add. LOL!!

What a model Muslim you are ... Labeling others as " Moron " ... Well learned from your parents... Or did this come from your holy book ??

Now will you please post the exact quote of Ali where he says When you help with your OWN MONEY with the right hand , you should be so discreet that the left hand doesn't know about it ... If you cannot and it is just your opinion that he is talking about spending own money then I am not much interested...

Also how can it be the Bohra masses money once they have given it to the Dai ?? Are you always this stupid ?? Btw my last question is a serious one....

[Al Zulfiqar]

in fact i am reproducing that post here so that fanatic abde syednas can get another opportunity to reply..

14. has he ever paid income tax to the indian govt?
17. how many bank accounts does he and his family have in banks around the world, the deposits in them and the interest earned?
18. what wealth did he start with and how much has he multiplied it in his lifetime?
19. how many animals has he hunted in his lifetime, and how many of them were on the endangered list?
20. how many guns does he possess or he knows how to use?
21. how many mullah's, shaikh's, MKD's and NKD's has he created so far and the amounts got from each as salaams?
22. how many ziyafats, foreign trips, samuh nikahs, scout band competitions, makdam ni majlises he has attended etc?
23. how many court cases going on against him and how many has he filed?
24. what is the number of laanats uttered by him against the "first 3", sir adamji peerbhoy, and other sundry dawat-na-dushmans big and small?
25. how many times has he met mother teresa, abdul sattar edhi, dalai lama, nelson mandela, and other great philantropists and social reformers and nobel prize winners and given them donations to help their causes?
26. how many bohra sportsmen has he encouraged or awarded?
27. how many bohra scientists, inventors, writers, poets, researchers has he supported and encouraged?

Wasn't it Ali who said " If you help someone with your right hand you should be so discreet that even your left hand doesn't know about it " ?? Or was it someone else ?? I am not being able to put a ring to it....

if your answer is in reference to my above questions, then it clearly sounds like a thief attempting to escape prosecution.. !!!!!!!!!!

[anajmi]

Now will you please post the exact quote of Ali where he says When you help with your OWN MONEY with the right hand , you should be so discreet that the left hand doesn't know about it ... If you cannot and it is just your opinion that he is talking about spending own money then I am not much interested...

Again, a completely moronic question. Don't look for exact quotes you moron. Look at the context of what was said, why it was said, when it was said, etc. But, that is asking too much of you.

Also how can it be the Bohra masses money once they have given it to the Dai ??

That is what makes you people a bunch of morons.

[webdevabs]

Again, a completely moronic question. Don't look for exact quotes you moron. Look at the context of what was said, why it was said, when it was said, etc. But, that is asking too much of you.

Isn't this thread based on exact quote? Why didn't he look for context in which it is said? Even after explaining the context you antis continue to be adamant (in that thread). Irony . And for God's sake don't say I am comparing apples to oranges. Thanks.

[fatema]

Fatema
let me break the bubble you live in. Dalai Lama has more following and gets more respect from all around the world
When was the last time Syedna addressed US Congress forget US Congress, he was not even received as State Guest in most of the Muslim Countries, When did he addressed the OIC (Organization of Islamic Countries).
Even Tendulkar and Gavaskar have more following than Syedna and there names are more recognizable then Syedna
I do not mean to downgrade the position of Syedna but please donot exaggerate the facts and figures
He may be everything for you and that is your choice but do not mis-quote the facts

there is no exaggeration of facts and figures! taken that he is everything to me but Well access this - you dont expect tendulkar, gavaskar to have a network and a parallel govt that they run under them- that gives them control and authority over each of their follower!! N we are talking abt this dai- today ! Dont see why the conversation went back to the past! but if you do want to talk abt the past some of the greatest minds have been dejected by their time!!

Aqa Moula is a well respected person ! he is a peace ambasssador to countries. every where he goes he is recieved not just by the STATE but the CENTRAL govt officials of that country!! the kinda hold he has over his people is beyond measure and equation to even Dalia Lama! you know is ironic that you guys spend soo much time of to criticise some one when you urself are no perfect!! I am certain you cant handle and command over your own 2 children and u r still sitting here and accessing how and why my Moula isnt that great!!

[fatema]

And secondly if all bohris are saccha ashiq of imam hussain it is only coz of our dais.

Yes.. your dai will bend backwards to keep Imam hussain alive among the brain-dead followers because that's his product, isn't it? his trump card? Like how a politician keeps an issue pending or creates a new to take advantage at the time of elections and win votes.

Well see he is doing good by doing that ! If he is keeping Imam Hussains Alive among his people there is nothing wrong in that! infact Imam hussains Ashiq would be amazed at what he has done and not disapprove of it.

Its Sad that you comparing Imam Hussain To a trump card I really dont think you are Muslims at all if u are doing that.

[fatema]

He has absolute power! no doubt about it...

that part you got Slightly wrong! Has absolute power not on earth and everything else in the world but on his followers and every thing they own . And He Is not God He is Just the Dai.

Years of fleecing wealth from his own followers, enslaving them, bribing politicians, coming down heavily on dissidents, hunting down innocent animals and projecting himself as God on earth... who can match syedna??? Just nobody!!

Its not like he is killing people for money.No Body is. People give it to him coz of love, respect and coz they believe in him and have complete faith in him.

The pt about Hunting innocent Animals- I suggest you do your research on that Moula Only does shikar in African jungle where wild animals are killed to sustain the balance in the ecology there. And Shikar is allowed.


The part abt being God No body said he is God ! Not even Him ! And you are right About the nobody can Match Syedna!

A great man as you say he is would never want his follower to stack all his wealth at his feet, only a highly corrupt man would want that.[/quote]

[fatema]

Real scholars/spiritual persons don't expect their audiences to take their word on faith or respect, instead they emphasis on their (audiences) ability to reason, Unfortunately the likes of Syedna who has nothing worthwhile to offer to his brain-dead followers except some 'fairy tales' and blatant lies... and therefore it becomes absolutely necessary for the brain-dead followers to swallow all the rubbish out of blind faith.

See I am no Real scholar! Nor is more than half the audiance Listening to the vahaz! We are there ONLY coz we believe! now If you do want a Real Argument and REAL evidence to what Moula Says maybe you shld go back to some bhai saheb or shezada saheb and ask for explaination. They have these extra Bethaks where they discuss such thing seperately for ppl who are keen on getting to know things better. And if you dont get what he is saying it kinda indicates that you are the brain dead moron here and not the rest of the audiance who sits there coz they believe In their Moula!

[like_minded]

And secondly if all bohris are saccha ashiq of imam hussain it is only coz of our dais.

Well see he is doing good by doing that ! If he is keeping Imam Hussains Alive among his people there is nothing wrong in that! infact Imam hussains Ashiq would be amazed at what he has done and not disapprove of it.

Its Sad that you comparing Imam Hussain To a trump card I really dont think you are Muslims at all if u are doing that.

He's doing good indeed... for himself and his goon family... If you think he's doing good for the community at large, then you seriously need to get your head examined.

Imam Hussain is a trump card for Kothar, It brings them tons and tons of monies and control over dumb minds of the followers..

[master.b00t]

fatima pls awake from "Burhani Daur" dream, maula is not a dharm guru but, he is a ruler. bohras majority converted from raajput and nagar brahmins 1000 years ago raja siddhraaj jaisigh ke samay me, maula is bharmal and bharmal was raajput from rajasthan ( akbar jodha ki film aayee thi wo jodha bai bharmal thi ,raajputaani thi) to unme yeh sata ke, doosaro par rule karne ke gun aa gaye , (mera ye kehna nahi he ki sabhi bharmal maula jaise ho) to unme yeh raajput ke gun jo ki sata, rule karne ke gun aa gaye, unhone sata chalane ke liye apane jivan me kai galat kaam kiye ,murders,violence, dharm ke naam par paise ikathe karna ,unke guno se lagta he ki wo koi dharm guru he hi nahi wo politition or king he lekin afsos king hona sultaan hona zara bhi dharm guru hona nahi he. ek fakir registaan me tha , ghana registaan tha ek raaja bhatkte bhatakte fakir ke pass pohncha aur kehne laga ki muje pani ho to dedo me is registaan me bhatak gaya hu aur muje bahot pyas lagi je agar paani nahi mila to me mar jaunga fakir ne kaha mere pass ek gilas pani he me tumko aadha gilas pani dunga lekin tum uske badle mujhe kya doge ? to raja kehne laga me tumhe hira jawahrat doonga ghode haathi doonga lekin wo fakir kehne laga ki nahi itne se kaam nahi chalega ye to jivan maran ka prashna he agar pani nahi milega to raja mar jayega, akhir me raaja apana pura rajya , pura state dene ke liye taiyaar ho gaya. tab us fakir ne kaha..... aur wo fakir bhi hamare mulla maulvi aur Tathakathit dharm guru jaisa nahi tha , wo fakir vakey hi fakir tha andar se fakir tha enlightened tha, to us fakir ne raaja se kaha ki tumhare pura rajya ka mulya bus ek aadha gilas paani he is se zyada kuchh mulya ,kimat nahi he tumhare raajay ki , to ye burhanuddin saab ne jo sampati ,shohrat, jo bhi ikatha kiya he wo aadhe gilas se zyada unka mulya,kimat nahi. burhanuddin saab ek achhe bowtikwaadi bankar reh gaye aur apni quom ko bhi yahi sikhaya.

[like_minded]

fatima pls awake from "Burhani Daur" dream

Master bhai

Yeh log apne 'comfort zone' ko nahi chodenge.. haqiqat inke saamne hai magar yeh logo ne aakhe band jo kar rakhi hai.... kai logo ne to jaan buj kar aakhe band kar rakhi hai, kyuki sach ka saamna karne ki himmat in logo mein bilkul nahi hai.

@Fatima

For once listen to syedna's waaz without having any kind of belief in him, just be neutral ... I am sure you'll find it pathetic.... utter rubbish!!!!

[Conscíous]

"The pt about Hunting innocent Animals- I suggest you do your research on that Moula Only does shikar in African jungle where wild animals are killed to sustain the balance in the ecology there. And Shikar is allowed."

LMAO ^^

[ozmujaheed]

Boom...did your geb na janar know that recently Tanzania have realised they may have over hunted their wildlife but due to corruption and smuggling the government is slow to change the rule !

You state he does it because he is allowed to do it, therefore he gets enjoyment out of it and feels like a King holding a rifle over a dead animal, feel good ! If he has so much free time in his schedule there are slums in Tanzania where there are Muslims too who could benefit from his miracles and charity ...or was that just not publicised and some Malumaat guy forgot it, forgot to mention there are people dieng of Aids, desease, poverty , starvation and why would he visit these miserable lot if Aam napak logo like Gates or Buffet has just visited them and given them enough !

[Conscíous]

The pt about Hunting innocent Animals- I suggest you do your research on that Moula Only does shikar in African jungle where wild animals are killed to sustain the balance in the ecology there. And Shikar is allowed.

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ozmujaheed,,
I didn't say the above , it was fatema.. Still LMAO