marraige other cast girl

[themonster31]

Can any body explain whats the process to marriage between bohra boy and other cast of girl

[Biradar]

The procedure is quite straightforward but might take time. Of course, it also depends on where you are. It might be easy or hard depending on your local circumstances.

Basically, the first step is to contact the local Amil and let him know you intend to marry someone from outside the community. He will ask you to fill a form in which the girl has to declare that she wants to convert to Islam and become a Dawoodi Bohra. This form is basically an application addressed to the Sayedna, asking him for permission to convert. A few pictures are required and the form will probably need to be notarized.

Then, wait for the Sayedna to reply. This might take time or might happen quickly depending on your local situations. Give it a few weeks to perhaps a couple of months. The Sayedna will give a new name to the girl and will give instructions to the Amil to perform the nikah. The Amil is generally appointed the Qadi al-Mutlak (the chief judge) for the case.

Then, the girl needs to convert to Islam. This process is quite simple and most likely the Amil will not be involved. You or your parents can do the needful. You need to inform the Amil that the girl has become Muslim.

The girl then needs to enter the fold of Imaan. For this she must wait at least seven days from the point she entered the fold of Islam. The Amil will probably give her a few sabaaks (classes) before taking her misaq. The misaq will be taken in two languages (if she does not understand gujrathi): English and then gujrathi. After the misaq the girl will be a bohra and the Amil can perform the nikah whenever you wish.

However, the father of the girl will not be able to participate in the niqah. You will have to appoint someone to officiate in his place. This person will sit-in for the girl's father and give her away.

Thats basically it. Most likely you will not be harrased too much and you will be able to live your life just the way you wish. Just do not piss the Amil off for any reason during the process. He will need to be involved every step of the way.

The process can be stressful at times, but you will need to be patient.

[stranger]

Bro Biradar,
Informative Post.

One question :-
the above info covered the case when girl is Non-muslim. what if the girl is muslim . .say sunni, shia, alavi or from Sulemani bohra community ?

Second question :-
Just from word of mouth, i got to know that if the girl is non-dawoodi bohra muslim and if you perform double nikaah ie. once on her side & then second on our side then you'll be allowed to go and perform religious activity of both the communities.
For example :- suppose A is dawoodi bohra guy, B is alavi bohra girl. and they had nikaah on the hand of alavi aamil first and then on the hand of Dawoodi Aamil. Then both of community will not object or restrict them from entering in their mosque and community hall.

PS :- Is it possible to perform such kind of Nikaah [ Double side ]

Anyone who have knowledge of the same or witness any of the above case is welcome to share.

[themonster31]

the matter is between dawoodi bohra boy and istna asthari shia girl so reply for them

[Muslim First]

Can any body explain whats the process to marriage between bohra boy and other cast of girl

Allah SWT AW sent prophet and Qur'an to get rid of differences and castism in Ummah. Stupid shelfish religious leader invented Bida in his prisatine religion. You may merry any Muslim girl.

Wasalaam

[Biradar]

Allah SWT AW sent prophet and Qur'an to get rid of differences and castism in Ummah. Stupid shelfish religious leader invented Bida in his prisatine religion. You may merry any Muslim girl.

Wasalaam

There will be not much difference. All she needs to do is skip the process of becoming a Muslim. She will still need to take the misaq.

MF: You say that Allah sent prophet and Quran to get rid of caste. That might be true, however it has not worked, sadly. The biggest racists are Arabs. Anyway, niqah for a Bohra with a non-Bohra (Muslim or non-Muslim) is quite simple. Just follow the steps and one can easily do it.

[anajmi]

That would simply mean that the Arabs are the most ignorant about the quran and sunnah. If we take the bohra eg. we know that those that are supposed to be the best are actually the worst. By the way I didn't know that for a bohra to go from Islam to the state of iman was just a wait of 7 days. Wow I wanna become a bohra again.

[Muslim First]

M Nalwala
There is no denying that when it comes to discriminating on the basis of nationality, Arabs ARE the worst. We hear stories, even today, of how they mistreat Indian and other Asian labourers there, how they are starved and beaten everyday.

Why don't we look at ourseves first.
I have been to India few times and also lived there for first 23 years of my life.
We have our own serfs in every middle class and rich Muslim houses especially young girls. They work long hours and get leftovers. When there are "Lobhias" "Dhutaras" will take advantages.
If we take care of our own people, they do not have to go to Middle East.
Bohras are better in employing theire own kind. I want to find out how many Muslims Azim Premji has employed? If he cannot find qualified Muslim IT personnels then can he recrute Muslim Clarks, peones?

[aqs]

. I want to find out how many Muslims Azim Premji has employed? If he cannot find qualified Muslim IT personnels then can he recrute Muslim Clarks, peones?

Br. MF,

Azim Premji is running a multi national company where selection is done on the basis of qualification and not on one's religious preference. As we feel bad when we are neglected because of our religion then we should also feel bad when we are selected because of one.

[Muslim First]

cdo
by aqs
Br. MF,
Azim Premji is running a multi national company where selection is done on the basis of qualification and not on one's religious preference. As we feel bad when we are neglected because of our religion then we should also feel bad when we are selected because of one.

Br aqs
What qualification do you need for the job of peons, chauffer, Jhaduwala or other non technical help?

Jains prefer jains
Gujaratis prefer Gujarati
Marwadis prefer Marwadis
Bohras prefer Bohras
Even Marathas insit that marathas get jobs

Is it not true to some extent?
Can't we Muslims ask for break from likes of Azim Premji?

[ghulam muhammed]

Bro aqs,

Just have a look at the Tata Empire, you will see that they try to accomodate as many parsis as possible. I also recollect as to how the firm, "Zenith Tin Works" which was owned by Alvi bohra used to employ Alvi bohras en mass. Any Alvi bohra coming from baroda used to just go to Zenith and he was assured of a job, the company even arranged accomodation for them at Zenith Hall, Byculla alongwith food. Same is the case with the famous store, "Amarsons" which is owned by kutchis, they not only see to it that they employ kutchis but even provide them with food and accomodation which is the most difficult part in the city of mumbai.

[aqs]

Br. MF/GM,

i am against any kind of favoritism. like others, Bohras do that and i am against that also. Meritocracy should prevail and not nepotism.

but i agree that its easier said then done and in general parlance people do prefer their own ilk or kith and keen

[Smart]

@Aqs,
Let us get this clear. You are against nepotism because you want things to be fair. Then how come you accept it as a part of your religious beliefs? Let me give examples.
1. Only an Imam's son can succeed him as Imam
2. Bohras, who consider themselves as Pristine Muslims, will bow and scrape before a child if he is the son of Syedna or his Shahzadas or belongs to his family.
3. The concept of Shahzada itself.

I could go on with examples, but this should suffice.

I have never ever seen you protesting about these examples of nepotism. Is it your contention that nepotism is okay in religion but not in secular matters?

[aqs]

@Aqs,
Let us get this clear. You are against nepotism because you want things to be fair. Then how come you accept it as a part of your religious beliefs? Let me give examples.
1. Only an Imam's son can succeed him as Imam
2. Bohras, who consider themselves as Pristine Muslims, will bow and scrape before a child if he is the son of Syedna or his Shahzadas or belongs to his family.
3. The concept of Shahzada itself.
I could go on with examples, but this should suffice.
I have never ever seen you protesting about these examples of nepotism. Is it your contention that nepotism is okay in religion but not in secular matters?

Prophet chose Ali as his vasi was it based on nepotism or merit. because Sunnis chose Abu baker as their first khalif so definitely they didnt think much of Prophets choice of choosing his cousin. And you might well be aware that almost all the prophets chose their kith and kin when it came to choosing their next in line.

1. Only an Imam's son can succeed him as Imam

As a Shia its our religious belief that only a son will succeed his father as an Imam. It a article of faith and cant be changed.

2. Bohras, who consider themselves as Pristine Muslims, will bow and scrape before a child if he is the son of Syedna or his Shahzadas or belongs to his family.

I dont belong to this group and have serious issues with the whole bowing thing to kids

3. The concept of Shahzada itself.

Whats in the name. you can call them whatever you want that does not change their status of Aalims. They are not just sons of dai but in current scenario hudood of dawat.

[Doctor]

Prophet chose Ali as his vasi was it based on nepotism or merit. because Sunnis chose Abu baker as their first khalif so definitely they didnt think much of Prophets choice of choosing his cousin. And you might well be aware that almost all the prophets chose their kith and kin when it came to choosing their next in line.

Brother aqs,

Correction is required in your above statement.

As per Dawoodi Bohras faith: an Imam is born Imam, and is not choosen by his father to be his successor.

Prophet Mohammed (s) has not choosen Mola Ali (a) to be his successor. He merely declared in public that Mola Ali (a) is his successor.

[aqs]

Prophet chose Ali as his vasi was it based on nepotism or merit. because Sunnis chose Abu baker as their first khalif so definitely they didnt think much of Prophets choice of choosing his cousin. And you might well be aware that almost all the prophets chose their kith and kin when it came to choosing their next in line.

Brother aqs,

Correction is required in your above statement.

As per Dawoodi Bohras faith: an Imam is born Imam, and is not choosen by his father to be his successor.

Prophet Mohammed (s) has not choosen Mola Ali (a) to be his successor. He merely declared in public that Mola Ali (a) is his successor.

Agreed,
Thanks

[labbaikyaHussain]

Prophet chose Ali as his vasi was it based on nepotism or merit. because Sunnis chose Abu baker as their first khalif so definitely they didnt think much of Prophets choice of choosing his cousin. And you might well be aware that almost all the prophets chose their kith and kin when it came to choosing their next in line.

Brother aqs,

Correction is required in your above statement.

As per Dawoodi Bohras faith: an Imam is born Imam, and is not choosen by his father to be his successor.

Prophet Mohammed (s) has not choosen Mola Ali (a) to be his successor. He merely declared in public that Mola Ali (a) is his successor.

thanx agreed on that one.

Imam Ali and ahlul bayt were god chosen.

[anajmi]

They were chosen by God to set an example that Islamic leadership is not family property. Not even the prophets family actually succeeded him. Only in mythology did that happen.

[Muslim First]

As per Dawoodi Bohras faith: an Imam is born Imam, and is not choosen by his father to be his successor.

Prophet Mohammed (s) has not choosen Mola Ali (a) to be his successor. He merely declared in public that Mola Ali (a) is his successor.

thanx agreed on that one.

YES GOD WROTE IT IN THIS SECRETE BOOK BY IMAM ALI
الاسماء الائمة و الدعاة المطلقين من اللبتيدأ الى القيامة
"Al-asma al-a'immat tahireen wal dua'atu mutlaqeen min al-ibtida ila al-qiyama"

[porus]

YES GOD WROTE IT IN THIS SECRETE BOOK BY IMAM ALI
الاسماء الائمة و الدعاة المطلقين من اللبتيدأ الى القيامة
"Al-asma al-a'immat tahireen wal dua'atu mutlaqeen min al-ibtida ila al-qiyama"

Dear brother Muslim First,

Please do not make inaccurate assertions.

God never wrote anything! He makes humans write books in different languages so that they misunderstand one another and come to blows. God enjoys His slaves doing that, fighting to death over misunderstandings. He is just like those Roman self-styled Gods who loved watching their slaves tearing one another to death in arenas all over their empire.

The said book was actually written by Imam Ali, not God. Its correct title is:

أسماء الائمة الطاهرين و الدعاة المطلقين من الإبتدأ الى القيامة

"asma ul-a'immati-tahireen wad dua'atul-mutlaqeen minal ibtida ilal qiyama"

I advise you to read and correct typos before reproducing what you find on the net with a note that you have edited it. Otherwise use '[sic]' after your quote. Thank you.

Coming to the subject of this thread, those who marry outside their castes are destined to go to hell because their actions are against God's wishes. Hell, if God wanted you to marry someone from a different caste, he would have made your birth take place in that caste!

Going against God's wish means that you are depriving Him from the pleasure He gets by watching different castes tear into one another without mercy. By marrying into different castes means that you will begin to make peace with those castes which is totally against God's desire!

[accountability]

Porus, marvelleous, brilliant, honest and thought provoking. I feel the same way.

[labbaikyaHussain]

YES GOD WROTE IT IN THIS SECRETE BOOK BY IMAM ALI
الاسماء الائمة و الدعاة المطلقين من اللبتيدأ الى القيامة
"Al-asma al-a'immat tahireen wal dua'atu mutlaqeen min al-ibtida ila al-qiyama"

Dear brother Muslim First,

Please do not make inaccurate assertions.

God never wrote anything! He makes humans write books in different languages so that they misunderstand one another and come to blows. God enjoys His slaves doing that, fighting to death over misunderstandings. He is just like those Roman self-styled Gods who loved watching their slaves tearing one another to death in arenas all over their empire.

The said book was actually written by Imam Ali, not God. Its correct title is:

أسماء الائمة الطاهرين و الدعاة المطلقين من الإبتدأ الى القيامة

"asma ul-a'immati-tahireen wad dua'atul-mutlaqeen minal ibtida ilal qiyama"

I advise you to read and correct typos before reproducing what you find on the net with a note that you have edited it. Otherwise use '[sic]' after your quote. Thank you.

Coming to the subject of this thread, those who marry outside their castes are destined to go to hell because their actions are against God's wishes. Hell, if God wanted you to marry someone from a different caste, he would have made your birth take place in that caste!

Going against God's wish means that you are depriving Him from the pleasure He gets by watching different castes tear into one another without mercy. By marrying into different castes means that you will begin to make peace with those castes which is totally against God's desire!

Thankyou for verifying your true motives.