State your belief

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porus
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by porus » Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:39 pm

Hussain_KSA wrote: Forget about the tafseer and details, I think if a muslim read quran with meaning (only translation in his/her own mother tounge which is available in market or I am ready to provide if some one like) will be able to understand the massage of God.
Better yet, if one learns Quranic Arabic they will, initially, be able to attempt their own translation and tafseer, and finally dispense with translation altogether.

And help is available everywhere if one embarks on this project by themselves.

progticide
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by progticide » Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:26 am

porus wrote:
Hussain_KSA wrote: Forget about the tafseer and details, I think if a muslim read quran with meaning (only translation in his/her own mother tounge which is available in market or I am ready to provide if some one like) will be able to understand the massage of God.
Better yet, if one learns Quranic Arabic they will, initially, be able to attempt their own translation and tafseer, and finally dispense with translation altogether.

And help is available everywhere if one embarks on this project by themselves.
Prof. Porus,
Allow me to expand from where you left.

"Better yet, if one learns Quranic Arabic they will, initially, be able to attempt their own translation and tafseer, and finally dispense with translation altogether. And going further they would be able to dispense with their Ahd, and still further be able to dispense with faith and still further be able to altogether dispense with sanity and sensibility. This is the maqaam that Prof. Porus has attained and so desires for every other person."


Prof. Porus, shouldn't you be more concerned with your birthday preparations right now? Pay attention to the list of invitees.

Smart
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by Smart » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:59 am

mustafanalwalla wrote: Hi GM,

I think that this is pretty stupid an analogy to draw, comparing Bohra's to other cults....

I think you should ponder what you write, because you otherwise make very valid comments, which i actually hold in high esteem, but sometimes, with stupid, senseless posts like this, throw everything down the drain
mustafanalwalla,
It is not stupid on the part of GM for comparing Bohras to other cults. Cults have a very clearly defined set of attributes and Bohras of today fit in these attributes like a "T".
If you want to know why Bohras are really a cult see this thread and hopefully it should be educative.
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=4688

progticide
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by progticide » Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:37 am

porus wrote:
Hussain_KSA wrote: Brother Pours,

I have forwerded you book written by sydena Ali bin Waleed "Mubda wal Maa'd" it might help you to understand this thoery in a better way. Please confirm the reiept. Regards.
As always, I am eternally grateful to you for forwarding me deeni kutub. You have been instrumental in enhancing my education. This particular book would be a very interesting reading and I look forward to receiving it. As of this writing, I have not received it. Thank you.
Hussain kSA,
You certainly dont know who your mentor and buddy Porus is or else you would not have wasted your efforts in forwarding this book to someone who has quite a good access to all these books in his own library and who would have probably read this book when you were not even born.

Isnt this true Porus?

Conscíous
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by Conscíous » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:21 pm

Adam,
?? :roll:

ghulam muhammed
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:31 pm

BooM wrote:Adam,

??
With "Eve'. :)

Conscíous
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by Conscíous » Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:30 pm

Haha :mrgreen:

seeker110
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by seeker110 » Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:33 pm

If you dont perform someone else wil win.

ghulam muhammed
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:38 pm

Downloaded from the net :-

Ibn Babawaih al-Qummi reports in his book: “Manlaa Yahdurhul-Faqeeh” (For Him Who Has No Access to A Scholar), vol.4, page 418, narration # 5914, the following:

Reported Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Sa’eed al-Kufi saying: Narrated to us Ali b. al-Hasan b. Fidaal, from his father from Abul-Hasan Ali b. Musa al-Ridha [as] saying:

There are nine signs for the Imam:

1- He’s the most knowledgeable of all men.
2- And the wisest of all (men).
3- And the most righteous of all (men).
4- And the most forbearing of all (men).
5- And the most courageous of all (men).
6- And the most generous of all (men).
7- And the most worshipper of all (men).
8- Is born circumcised.
9- And purified.
10- He sees what is behind him just as he sees what is in front of him.
11- He has no shadow.
12- When he falls off his mother’s womb, he falls off on his palms, raising his voice with the two testimonies.
13- He does not get wet-dreams.
14- His eyes may sleep but never his heart.
15- He receives revelations
16- The armament of the Messenger [saw] fits him perfectly.
17- No urin or shit of his can be seen, because Allah entrusted the earth to swollow what comes out of him.
18- His shit is far better smelling than the fragnance of musk
etc

The Grand Ayat, Akhond Mulla Zainul-Abideen al-Galbaigani, in his book: Anwaar al-Wilayah, page 440 writes:

هو معنى النجاسة ، ولا نتن في بولهم وغائطهم بـل هـــمــا كالمــسك الأذفـــــــر ، بــــــــــل مــــن شـــــرب بولهم وغائطهم ودمهم يـــــحـرم الله عليه الـــنــار واســتــوجــب دخول الجنّة

“There’s nothing in the urin of the infallibles: their blood, urins and shit any filth or dirtiness that may cause them to watch off from for the Prayer or the like in the sense of “filth” (Najasah), nor there is any stink in their urin or shit, rather both are like the Musk. Nay, (in fact) whoever drinks and eat their urin, shit and blood, Allah forbids fire on him, and cause him to enter paradise”

anajmi
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Dec 03, 2011 8:07 pm

:mrgreen: :mrgreen: ROFL FOCL JOBL :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Now we know what the abdes get in return for their money.

Smart
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Re: State your belief

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Unread post by Smart » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:04 pm

Oh my goodness. Is this really believed by at least some people? I can't believe this Imam Sh*t business.