Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018-2020
Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:28 am
Bhai has spoken very well, I hope every one forward this as much as possible and every bohra can hear him out.
Bhai has spoken very well, I hope every one forward this as much as possible and every bohra can hear him out.
The things people like "malgudidays" are saying have no basis in the Quran at all.
My last post was about Imamat, I wonder what in the world could lead to such an absurd conclusions, may be it is your highness who is on hallucinating drug or a disgruntled Jamea Alumni...
Well done, impressed with your creativity.
Well said. I hate to point out that the children did not commit suicide. The parents killed the children and committed suicide. This is a heart-breaking, tragic story and it does reflect as much on the state of the leadership (currently very much MIA - as it does on the dire situation of the followers.)juzer esmail wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:33 pm अस्सलामु अलैकुम,
इस अफ़सोसनाक घटना के पीछे की असल वजह तो पता नहीं लेकिन अज़ीज़ो अक़ारिब, हमसाए और समाज भी किसी हद तक ज़िम्मेदार हैं ही। असल मुद्दा यहां ये है कि दावत के निज़ाम के मुखिया जब ख़ुद को बादशाह, औलाद को शहज़ादे, घर को क़स्र और मुमिनीन को रिआया कहलाना पसंद करते हैं तो फिर मौला अली (अ.) के इस क़ौल का इतलाक़ भी उन पर होता है कि *"अगर किसी रियासत में लोग भूख की वजह से चोरी करें तो चोर के नहीं, हाकिम के हाथ काटना चाहिए।"* यहाँ इस क़ौल के ज़िक्र से मुराद ये बताना है कि अगर सरदार क़ौम की ख़ुशहाली की क्रेडिट लेते हैं तो बदहाली की ज़िम्मेदारी से भी बच नहीं सकते।
अगर सूद का लेन-देन और ख़ुदकुशी दीन में हराम है तो दीन का ठेका भी उन्होंने ही ले रखा है। इसके लिए भी वो ही ज़िम्मेदार हैं।
Whatever might be the circumstances, committing murder of family and suicide is a grave sin and a coward's way to deal with life.think_for_yourself wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:10 pmWell said. I hate to point out that the children did not commit suicide. The parents killed the children and committed suicide. This is a heart-breaking, tragic story and it does reflect as much on the state of the leadership (currently very much MIA - as it does on the dire situation of the followers.)juzer esmail wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 2:33 pm अस्सलामु अलैकुम,
इस अफ़सोसनाक घटना के पीछे की असल वजह तो पता नहीं लेकिन अज़ीज़ो अक़ारिब, हमसाए और समाज भी किसी हद तक ज़िम्मेदार हैं ही। असल मुद्दा यहां ये है कि दावत के निज़ाम के मुखिया जब ख़ुद को बादशाह, औलाद को शहज़ादे, घर को क़स्र और मुमिनीन को रिआया कहलाना पसंद करते हैं तो फिर मौला अली (अ.) के इस क़ौल का इतलाक़ भी उन पर होता है कि *"अगर किसी रियासत में लोग भूख की वजह से चोरी करें तो चोर के नहीं, हाकिम के हाथ काटना चाहिए।"* यहाँ इस क़ौल के ज़िक्र से मुराद ये बताना है कि अगर सरदार क़ौम की ख़ुशहाली की क्रेडिट लेते हैं तो बदहाली की ज़िम्मेदारी से भी बच नहीं सकते।
अगर सूद का लेन-देन और ख़ुदकुशी दीन में हराम है तो दीन का ठेका भी उन्होंने ही ले रखा है। इसके लिए भी वो ही ज़िम्मेदार हैं।
That this should happen to a family of Dawoodi Bohras, arguably a prosperous community is all the more tragic and the stuff of nightmares. What underlying unspoken pressures are felt by the community that would lead one of them to take such a nightmarish step?
Why would they hesitate to reach out to their brothers and sisters for help? Had they lost hope in their Moula and his prayers for them?
I know that in times of difficulty I take comfort in the fact that there is a Moula who is praying for us. I seek his prayers and it comforts me. Why did this family not have that avenue open to them? They had all the outward appearances of Ashara preparation, but it appears that in the mad rush of Ohbat and the crazy forceful participation in online Ashara, the leaders forgot to prepare and fortify their souls with the message of courage that is so much a part of Ashara.
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OMG! This says it all. Yeah... you most likely had time to ensure that they were conforming with putting up banners and whatnot...but asking you to reflect on the state of your community such that it leads to such an action by one among you is too much for your small mind to grasp!Qadir wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:28 pmWhatever might be the circumstances, committing murder of family and suicide is a grave sin and a coward's way to deal with life.think_for_yourself wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:10 pm
Well said. I hate to point out that the children did not commit suicide. The parents killed the children and committed suicide. This is a heart-breaking, tragic story and it does reflect as much on the state of the leadership (currently very much MIA - as it does on the dire situation of the followers.)
That this should happen to a family of Dawoodi Bohras, arguably a prosperous community is all the more tragic and the stuff of nightmares. What underlying unspoken pressures are felt by the community that would lead one of them to take such a nightmarish step?
Why would they hesitate to reach out to their brothers and sisters for help? Had they lost hope in their Moula and his prayers for them?
I know that in times of difficulty I take comfort in the fact that there is a Moula who is praying for us. I seek his prayers and it comforts me. Why did this family not have that avenue open to them? They had all the outward appearances of Ashara preparation, but it appears that in the mad rush of Ohbat and the crazy forceful participation in online Ashara, the leaders forgot to prepare and fortify their souls with the message of courage that is so much a part of Ashara.
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Everyone has problems but taking such a step should be frowned upon. The kids will probably get proper kafan and dafan but the parents will most probably not. Shariat doesn't say "Don't commit suicide unless .....". It just says don't. Period.
Also taking a loan from bank with interest is haram in the first place. Once again Rasulallah didn't say not to take or give interest unless....
And i know someone once said here that there's so many other organisations that give out interest free loans and even PDB gives them out. Well it would have been a less of a sin to do (if that's even considered a sin) than commiting suicide. So please don't sympathize with sinners
Hmmm is MS capable of such a sentiment? I don’t think so....think_for_yourself wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 6:14 pm This kind of an event is a consequence of your Moula was not present during Ashara to tell his people that he is praying for them, that he feels their pain and that you are all in it together!
My understanding talking to some of the people who knew them was it was an internal family financial issue so the family did provide assistance and it is always said the MONEY always breaks up the relation .Why would they hesitate to reach out to their brothers and sisters for help
Do you know that a person who commits SUICIDE is always considered some one who had MENTAL Illness, usually a SUICIDE is committed due to DEPRESSION, STRESS which can be caused by FINANCIAL, FAMILY or MARITAL issues. So if a person is suffering from MENTAL illness and commits suicide, how can one judge about SINS or OTHER Issue.Suicide is the greatest SIN
True but looking at the picture, two of the girls seems like Teens or Mature and they may have known that if their parents are dead and it was due to INTERNAL FAMILY issue then they would have no one to turn to for help and may have agreedChildren did not commit suicide
The kinds of MS and his followers do not care about the unfortunate who live among them, why should they care about the dead......SBM wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:54 pm We had a local case where a Mumin bhai was considered that he committed Suicide due to Marital issue and local Aamil did NOT perform Namaz E Janazha and refused to bury him Bohra section of Cemetery. We were able to get him the proper burial thru a local Sunni organization and day later after his autopsy came out, it was due to massive heart attack. This gentleman was living alone as he was separated from his wife.
The Aamil still refused to accept that he erred and disregarded the Medical Examiner's report and believed on his estranged wife that he committed suicide
is there anything in the shariat for abetment to suicide? is it a sin or he is just let off?
That is so cold and heartless. I bet you belong to one of those rich families, brought up in comfort, never having struggled a day in your life. For every problem you go to mommy and daddy and they sort it out for you. No wonder you can't empathize with the victims.Qadir wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:28 pm
Whatever might be the circumstances, committing murder of family and suicide is a grave sin and a coward's way to deal with life.
Everyone has problems but taking such a step should be frowned upon. The kids will probably get proper kafan and dafan but the parents will most probably not. Shariat doesn't say "Don't commit suicide unless .....". It just says don't. Period.
Also taking a loan from bank with interest is haram in the first place. Once again Rasulallah didn't say not to take or give interest unless....
And i know someone once said here that there's so many other organisations that give out interest free loans and even PDB gives them out. Well it would have been a less of a sin to do (if that's even considered a sin) than commiting suicide. So please don't sympathize with sinners