Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

#1321

Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:37 am

salaar wrote:you are correct iam referring to somebody else
Salaar are you Muffy on your IPAD...... :mrgreen:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:39 am

salaar wrote:you are correct iam referring to somebody else
I am relieved you are talking about Taha or Khair BS

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Mar 22, 2014 9:41 am

hey is that you iblees i guess you are too busy with KQ group these days arent you?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:04 am

And your muffy pappu is too busy hugging Sadu Babas, chewing khat and twerking with Yemenis!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:23 am

wait wait he will come to you as well one doctor and so many patients one by one

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Mar 22, 2014 10:41 am

Salaar brother, you have lost your senses, i pray to god that soon he heals you and gives you blessing, so that you can think again. till then i pray for you

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by salaar » Sat Mar 22, 2014 11:00 am

yups this is the most common symptom with mentally upsets that they consider others facing this problem

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Hearts with Qutbuddin swords with Mufaddal

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Unread post by Nafisa » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:05 am

As Dawat mission of Qutbuddin explained in the beginning that it is their primary aim to kill Fasaad(corruption) from the Dawat , promote education(religious as well as secular), accountability of public funds,down the graph of poverty , majority of the community appreciate these aims. Due to strict net work of the community clergy, individuals are forced to remain silent, otherwise death is their and their families destiny. Mufaddali Mafia hired the services of under world mafia in India.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Mar 23, 2014 4:47 pm

Although the die hard Mufaddali abdes will not agree due to their slavish mentality but the ground reality is that a vast majority of Bohras appreciate SKQ's vision and criticise MS's looting tactics and laughable bayans. It is an accepted fact that they don't come out in the open and support SKQ publicly due to family concerns and threat perceptions from Muffy gang. Once SKQ puts his infrastructure in order then it wont be surprising if hordes of Bohras cross over to his side. Its all a matter of time !!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Sceptical » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:17 pm

Interresting, Qutbi Bohra Wiki article has been cleaned :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qutbi_Bohra

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:00 pm

I personally believe it is time for SKQ side to complete re define our dress code, our looks and our languages as well.

complete modernization with ISLAMIC-Sharia touch and complete new look for SKQ followers.

let jungly muffy abde remain as they are.

SKQ followers should not live in stone age any more.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by true_bohra » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:58 pm

ghulam muhammed wrote:Although the die hard Mufaddali abdes will not agree due to their slavish mentality but the ground reality is that a vast majority of Bohras appreciate SKQ's vision and criticise MS's looting tactics and laughable bayans. It is an accepted fact that they don't come out in the open and support SKQ publicly due to family concerns and threat perceptions from Muffy gang. Once SKQ puts his infrastructure in order then it wont be surprising if hordes of Bohras cross over to his side. Its all a matter of time !!
Was any opinion poll conducted for this or you assumed???

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by true_bohra » Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:00 pm

monginis wrote:I personally believe it is time for SKQ side to complete re define our dress code, our looks and our languages as well.

complete modernization with ISLAMIC-Sharia touch and complete new look for SKQ followers.

let jungly muffy abde remain as they are.

SKQ followers should not live in stone age any more.
Your alleged dai is also wearing the same clothes as we are wearing. So your junglee remark applies to him as well.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by voice » Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:33 pm

monginis wrote:I personally believe it is time for SKQ side to complete re define our dress code, our looks and our languages as well.

complete modernization with ISLAMIC-Sharia touch and complete new look for SKQ followers.

let jungly muffy abde remain as they are.

SKQ followers should not live in stone age any more.
I do support SKQ and participant of this revolution but I feel that we should not use harsh words or loose patience. Our sound character and manners should be our best representatives.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by james » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:18 am

ghulam muhammed wrote:Although the die hard Mufaddali abdes will not agree due to their slavish mentality but the ground reality is that a vast majority of Bohras appreciate SKQ's vision and criticise MS's looting tactics and laughable bayans. It is an accepted fact that they don't come out in the open and support SKQ publicly due to family concerns and threat perceptions from Muffy gang. Once SKQ puts his infrastructure in order then it wont be surprising if hordes of Bohras cross over to his side. Its all a matter of time !!
Vast majority of Bohras equals to what, Hundreds of thousands of people ? Tall claims from someone who doesn't even know how Meethaq is conducted.

Lets say " Vast Majority Bohras " come out in the open in support of Khuzaima. That would mean a very small minority for Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS . Does it makes sense that majority stays afraid of the minority ? And what family concerns would be there as " vast majority bohras " would mean entire families of them adhering to Khuzaima's vision.

Khuzaima's followers take note. First the wannabe claims that vast majority Bohras are not supporting Khuzaima in the open due to family concerns and threat perceptions. Then he claims they will cross over only when Khuzaima puts his " infrastructure " in order . Won't there be family concerns once Khuzaima has his " infrastructure " in order?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by true_bohra » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:45 am

voice wrote:
monginis wrote:I personally believe it is time for SKQ side to complete re define our dress code, our looks and our languages as well.

complete modernization with ISLAMIC-Sharia touch and complete new look for SKQ followers.

let jungly muffy abde remain as they are.

SKQ followers should not live in stone age any more.
I do support SKQ and participant of this revolution but I feel that we should not use harsh words or loose patience. Our sound character and manners should be our best representatives.
Manners applicable to monginis aka mtaha aka incredible etc etc etc....hahahahahaha

You want me to express this in smileys :D :lol: :) :mrgreen:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by monginis » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:57 am

voice wrote:
monginis wrote:I personally believe it is time for SKQ side to complete re define our dress code, our looks and our languages as well.

complete modernization with ISLAMIC-Sharia touch and complete new look for SKQ followers.

let jungly muffy abde remain as they are.

SKQ followers should not live in stone age any more.
I do support SKQ and participant of this revolution but I feel that we should not use harsh words or loose patience. Our sound character and manners should be our best representatives.
I understand your concern, but no harsh word is harsh for muffy abde, they are use to humiliation and beizzati and kick on ass by their master :wink: so it should not affect them. :mrgreen:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by rational_guy » Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:47 am

the harassment and threats is not only extended to mumineen, but also to Aqa Mola Burhanuddin (RA) extended family in saifee mahal by Mufaddal bs brother in laws. These family members have been threatened, with the following
1. No financial support. Qaid johar bs controls everything. even shz abbas bs can't say anything in this matter
2. Possible move out from saify mahal
3. divorces

therefore unfortunately everyone in saifee mahal has given misaaq to Mufaddal bs in FEAR. Its truly unfortunate. I pray for their tawfeeq and himmat.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by james » Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:55 am

rational_guy wrote:the harassment and threats is not only extended to mumineen, but also to Aqa Mola Burhanuddin (RA) extended family in saifee mahal by Mufaddal bs brother in laws. These family members have been threatened, with the following
1. No financial support. Qaid johar bs controls everything. even shz abbas bs can't say anything in this matter
2. Possible move out from saify mahal
3. divorces

therefore unfortunately everyone in saifee mahal has given misaaq to Mufaddal bs in FEAR. Its truly unfortunate. I pray for their tawfeeq and himmat.
Yeah right. :roll:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by rational_guy » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:04 am

I am sure people in saifee mahal are reading this and nodding their heads in affirmation.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by alam » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:27 am

rational_guy wrote:the harassment and threats is not only extended to mumineen, but also to Aqa Mola Burhanuddin (RA) extended family in saifee mahal by Mufaddal bs brother in laws. These family members have been threatened, with the following
1. No financial support. Qaid johar bs controls everything. even shz abbas bs can't say anything in this matter
2. Possible move out from saify mahal
3. divorces

therefore unfortunately everyone in saifee mahal has given misaaq to Mufaddal bs in FEAR. Its truly unfortunate. I pray for their tawfeeq and himmat.
Yes, this oppressive system of harrassment, threats, baraat, self-righteaousness is an Equal Opportunity Provider. Whether you were a prince or gulaam, installing fear with hostility are the weapons against any sign of dissent.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by james » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:29 am

alam wrote:
rational_guy wrote:the harassment and threats is not only extended to mumineen, but also to Aqa Mola Burhanuddin (RA) extended family in saifee mahal by Mufaddal bs brother in laws. These family members have been threatened, with the following
1. No financial support. Qaid johar bs controls everything. even shz abbas bs can't say anything in this matter
2. Possible move out from saify mahal
3. divorces

therefore unfortunately everyone in saifee mahal has given misaaq to Mufaddal bs in FEAR. Its truly unfortunate. I pray for their tawfeeq and himmat.
Yes, this oppressive system of harrassment, threats, baraat, self-righteaousness is an Equal Opportunity Provider. Whether you were a prince or gulaam, installing fear with hostility are the weapons against any sign of dissent.
Are you talking about the Ismailis ?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by james » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:32 am

HQ should not get too caught up in dates. In his 4th Rabi al-Akhar YouTube bayaan, his father insists that it has been 21 days since the wafaat of Syedna Burhanuddin RA and parades this as being a ‘blessed coincidence’. In actuality, there had been only 19 days between the wafaat of Syedna Burhanuddin RA and Imam al-Zaman’s AS Milad Mubarak. KQ either believes he was telling the truth or that he was lying. If he believes it was the truth, then he and his children, despite their PhDs, cannot do simple arithmetic. If he was lying, then as HQ clearly states, a liar cannot be Dai.
http://believesyednaqutbuddin.files.wor ... /03/21.jpg

:shock:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by alam » Mon Mar 24, 2014 11:46 am

rational_guy wrote:I am sure people in saifee mahal are reading this and nodding their heads in affirmation.
Yes, some of them are trapped in between the 2 camps, and some are caught in the line of fire. The princes here suffer too, and their privileged status is likely a burden.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:27 pm

james wrote:
HQ should not get too caught up in dates. In his 4th Rabi al-Akhar YouTube bayaan, his father insists that it has been 21 days since the wafaat of Syedna Burhanuddin RA and parades this as being a ‘blessed coincidence’. In actuality, there had been only 19 days between the wafaat of Syedna Burhanuddin RA and Imam al-Zaman’s AS Milad Mubarak. KQ either believes he was telling the truth or that he was lying. If he believes it was the truth, then he and his children, despite their PhDs, cannot do simple arithmetic. If he was lying, then as HQ clearly states, a liar cannot be Dai.
http://believesyednaqutbuddin.files.wor ... /03/21.jpg

:shock:
Demise of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA)happened earlier before the dafan and kafan, he was preserved for 1 whole day because the Dai next in line was busy buying 170 crore property in Sri Lanka....please clear the dust or rust over your monkey brain........do not become a boogeyman believer!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Sceptical » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:42 pm

SMB(ra) wafaat : jan, 17 ( 16 rabi ul awwal )
Milad Imam : feb, 04 ( 4 rabi ul akhar)

Exactly 19 days between this events. Seems SKQ did a mistake ?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:36 pm

Brother he had passed away on feb 15th night.....insider information!
it was declared on Friday.....as to create mass hysteria
SKQ saheb had sent the letter on 16th Feb for tawalli of Janaza as him being the righteous 53rd Dai-Ul-Mutlaq after serving 50 years as Mazoon-Ul-Mutlaq and he had visited him on 15th midnight to kiss his feet mubarak and farewell him to heavenly adobe
During all this time his shameful son who had manhandled him during Ashura Waaz was busy doing ayashi and property purchasing!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:41 pm

to portray that 52nd Dai ul Mutlaq passed away during asar ni ghari and that too on Friday, in comparison to the Ashura Imam Hussain (AS) shahdat

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by alam » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:02 pm

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Brother he had passed away on feb JAN15th night.....insider information!
it was declared on Friday.....as to create mass hysteria
SKQ saheb had sent the letter on 16th JAN Feb for tawalli of Janaza as him being the righteous 53rd Dai-Ul-Mutlaq after serving 50 years as Mazoon-Ul-Mutlaq and he had visited him on 15th midnight to kiss his feet mubarak and farewell him to heavenly adobe
During all this time his shameful son who had manhandled him during Ashura Waaz was busy doing ayashi and property purchasing!
You mean Jan not feb.

Janaaza was kept in icebox. This too is not public knowledge.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Habeel » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:11 pm

15-Jan. This is very serious allegation. I hope you are not mistaken.