Dawoodi Bohra Forum

SBM wrote:^
Adam Bhai is back .. welcome back Taha BS
Any comments about Amte doing Bhumi--oops Muffi Puja....(see the posted photograph on the Chair)

Adam wrote:

kimanumanu wrote:According to Adam, a Dai can appoint an impostor in one of those positions and keep him there for 50 years and that's allowed by our glorious daawat texts.

True. Not just according to me.
Rasulullah SAW did the same, and kept them in much higher positions than the Mazoon.

Al-Noor wrote:Again I would like to put my point again....

No doubt KQ is much better than MS right now, but this is not enough he must step up and declare that he is leader and not any thing more, he is just well versed in bohra doctrain but not having any secret doors or jannat naa aapnar, he must admit MB has really goofed up and he will try his best too rectify those things, the day KQ announce this me and many more who now knows the truth about this dawat will happily follow him as a community leader and a well wisher.

ghulam muhammed wrote:watsup msg

Forwarded as Received :

Shk Abbas Naseer (Babubhai-- Brother of Shk Yahya Naseer)....... was caught in Sharjah, and 500 mumin na saamne peshi thai. He had been leading prayers since long time in makhfi without Raza and also stating dawedaar name in Dua.

Faazil raato ma bagair raza namaz padhaavto hato... Dora/taweez/faal ane dawedaar na khayal mutaabik amal karto hato ane Jamea si farzando ne jata rokto hato. Ehna bairo bhi sagli cheezo ma shaamil hati.

Khuda apna aava logo se dur raakhey ane Mufaddal Mola na saya ma aabad saad amaan raakhe...

kseeker wrote:

ghulam muhammed wrote:watsup msg

Forwarded as Received :

Shk Abbas Naseer (Babubhai-- Brother of Shk Yahya Naseer)....... was caught in Sharjah, and 500 mumin na saamne peshi thai. He had been leading prayers since long time in makhfi without Raza and also stating dawedaar name in Dua.

Faazil raato ma bagair raza namaz padhaavto hato... Dora/taweez/faal ane dawedaar na khayal mutaabik amal karto hato ane Jamea si farzando ne jata rokto hato. Ehna bairo bhi sagli cheezo ma shaamil hati.

Khuda apna aava logo se dur raakhey ane Mufaddal Mola na saya ma aabad saad amaan raakhe...

The real story:
Mr Abbas Naseer used to lead prayers for 'anti' bohra jamaats without 'raza of mola'. He was humiliated by the new Dubai Aamil the next day because of this and told to leave. What this new aamil did not know is that Mr Abbas Naseer has been in Dubai/Sharjah for a long time and has many influential friends. Abbas Naseer has now managed to make it back into the good books of the aamil.

Truth be told, he has helped a lot of people in Dubai and has therefore made loyal friends. some of whom are now very rich. A couple of phone calls to this aamil must have done the trick. then again, in a place like dubai you dont need influential friends. one call in the dubai religious affairs section stating that the jamat are not letting me enter and pray in this mosque and the govt shuts down the entire place..

Who's The Liar?
NONE of the Qutbi Bohras have ANY proof in relation to any alleged nass on KQ. They have been questioned time and time again, and they keep coming up blank. Not a shred of evidence. When their followers are questioned are cornered into debate, one of the answers they have been instructed to parrot is along the following lines. They say:

"Do you believe that the Mazoon of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA fo 50 years, is lying?"

In short, YES. He is lying.
It is philosophically sound because Dawat History has proven that people in higher positions have gone astray from Dawat. KQ isn't an exception, and this shouldn't shake-up your faith even a bit.
Read: http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/p/summa ... itnat.html

Their followers use the above rhetoric to play the 'rank' or 'quantity' card, and by using it as 'emotional blackmail', they make it seem impossible and ludicrous.

Syedna al Qadi Noman RA, in his kitaab, Sharh al Akhbar (Vol 1) relates to those detractors who disobeyed the clear Nass on Moulana Ali AS. He says (summary):

[When weak minded people of the ummah are questioned in debate and cornered because they don't have any substantial reply, their most common reply is "Do you mean to refer to 1 & 2 and the other companions that followed them - as infidels (kaafirs)!?"

They must be replied to by saying: "O' ignorant one! If you do not wish to refer to them as kaafirs, then don't, but know this, (by protecting them), you are disobeying, denying and rejecting the clear orders of Rasulullah SAW - hence, that makes you a kaafir instead!"]


In the light of the above bayaan, I address the same to the Qutbi Bohra followers who have no clear proof of Nass, but simply cling on to the above statement. To them, I say:

If you find it difficult to believe that Khuzaima Qutbuddin is lying or call him a liar, then don't. But, by doing this you are disobeying, denying and rejecting the clear orders of the infallible 52nd Dai Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA in 1388H 1415H 1426H 1432H and every single day until His wafaat - hence, that makes you a kaafir/liar instead!

You're supporting the same person that kept you away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA physically during his life and at his janaza, and who is now keeping you away from him spiritually.

The choice is yours.

Saif53 wrote:FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
You're supporting the same person that kept you away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA physically during his life and at his janaza, and who is now keeping you away from him spiritually.

The choice is yours.

seeker110 wrote:What a noble thought, too bad it doesnt lead to regular bohra brothers,exploited by the evil doers.

kimanumanu wrote:

Saif53 wrote:FROM THE QUTBI BOHRA BLOG
You're supporting the same person that kept you away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA physically during his life and at his janaza, and who is now keeping you away from him spiritually.

The choice is yours.

Indeed. Muffy's love of money kept majority of people away and is now keeping even more people away. Spirituality is non-existant unless you call the new hit song "Moula Moula" as being spiritual.

alam wrote:

Saif53 now that you are back , and Adam disappears with this discussion, perhaps you can help out your friend adam. Llet's draw up the discussion again without sidetracking it. Try engaging in the dialogue with Character without degenerating the discussion with irrelevant questions:

SMB 's mazun and mukasir ended up on two different sides. That crushes fundamental elements in the Misaaq
"aa sagla umoor aney maratib nu iqrar karo and kaho na'am".
That's the fundamental difference.

This is the real crack, the core of the faith that has been ripped. This is the End of story of certainty and 100% perfection on who is appointed by the Dai (you pick who) as your Maazoon or mukasir.

It's only a matter of time before more holes in the dam that holds the core belief crack up.

james wrote: Only a moron living in la-la land will say that the majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and you shall see why you have been called a moron.

kimanumanu wrote:

james wrote: Only a moron living in la-la land will say that the majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and you shall see why you have been called a moron.

Talking of pictures, Hitler and Kim Jong-un also have such pictures.

kimanumanu wrote:

james wrote: Only a moron living in la-la land will say that the majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and you shall see why you have been called a moron.

Talking of pictures, Hitler and Kim Jong-un also have such pictures.

james wrote:The simple proof in support of your claims to show how the people don't come to his bethaks or masajids under his tutelage or his sermons.Go on,try putting opinions across backed with some shred of evidence.

The simple proof against your nonsensical opinions would be to ask to compare the throngs of crowds between the two eras. Unless you believe Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA also kept majority of people away (Nauzobillah).

james wrote:
Only a moron living in la-la land will say that the majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.Compare the pictures of miqaats with the era of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and you shall see why you have been called a moron.

As regards to spirituality,one only has to listen to the various waseela and read the munajat shareef by Syedna Aaliqadar Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS to assert that you live in la-la land.

james wrote: Talk about missing the point!

Let's recap your fallacies,You claimed that majority of people are away from Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS.The simple proof in support of your claims to show how the people don't come to his bethaks or masajids under his tutelage or his sermons.Go on,try putting opinions across backed with some shred of evidence.

The simple proof against your nonsensical opinions would be to ask to compare the throngs of crowds between the two eras. Unless you believe Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA also kept majority of people away (Nauzobillah).

james wrote:

Adam wrote:

dawedaar wrote:

james wrote:

Adam wrote:

Hey James and Adam, someone has posted this on facebook,

"Hate no one, no matter how much they’ve wronged you. Live humbly, no matter how wealthy you become. Think positively, no matter how hard life is. Give much, even if you’ve been given little. Keep in touch with the ones who have forgotten you, and forgive who has wronged you, and do not stop praying for the best for those you love." -Ali Ibn Abi Talib S.A

I don't think so that the present happenings in the bohra jamaat is according to what Maula Ali (SA) has advised. Most bayaans have a dawedaar bashing and lanatbaazi session. What do you guys say? I am not accepting a reply from those 2 as they shy away when asked a tough question. Let's see if they have guts to comment on this!

kimanumanu wrote:

james wrote:The simple proof in support of your claims to show how the people don't come to his bethaks or masajids under his tutelage or his sermons.Go on,try putting opinions across backed with some shred of evidence.

The simple proof against your nonsensical opinions would be to ask to compare the throngs of crowds between the two eras. Unless you believe Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA also kept majority of people away (Nauzobillah).

Why don't you go ask him about his sulking with the Londoners? Yes, comparing with Syedna Burhanuddin RA, this is the same London he stated "Feel at home" about.

dawedaar wrote:

james wrote:

Adam wrote:

Hey James and Adam, someone has posted this on facebook,

"Hate no one, no matter how much they’ve wronged you. Live humbly, no matter how wealthy you become. Think positively, no matter how hard life is. Give much, even if you’ve been given little. Keep in touch with the ones who have forgotten you, and forgive who has wronged you, and do not stop praying for the best for those you love." -Ali Ibn Abi Talib S.A

I don't think so that the present happenings in the bohra jamaat is according to what Maula Ali (SA) has advised. Most bayaans have a dawedaar bashing and lanatbaazi session. What do you guys say? I am not accepting a reply from those 2 as they shy away when asked a tough question. Let's see if they have guts to comment on this!