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Posted: **Sun Aug 31, 2014 6:49 am**

ghulam muhammed wrote:There are strong news going round that SKQ and family have shifted to their old homes in Saifee Mahal today !! However, there is no official confirmation from them till now.

I doubt it.

Posted: **Sun Aug 31, 2014 7:52 am**

http://fatemidawat.com/news-and-events/

Syedna Qutbuddin TUS Son’s Residing in Saify Mahal

Behamdillah, on the 29th of Shawwal 1435H (August 25, 2014), Shz. Dr. Abdeali bhaisaheb, went to Saify Mahal to Syedna Qutbuddin TUS’s home in Al Azhar. He then spent the night there for the first time in six months. Since Monday members of Syedna’s family have been residing in Saify Mahal under police protection.

After the Raudat Tahera incident (July 4th) there was a severe backlash in the Community and also a lot of concern from the authorities on the vitriol that has been created by Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb that led to organized violence in Raudat Tahera against Syedna Qutbuddin’s family members and the mumineen with them. On Monday, the family’s access to Saify Mahal could not be stopped or interrupted by anyone.
Despite the challenges and harassment, they have been working to make Syedna’s home livable once more, following the damage caused to the home since the electricity was disconnected.

Dr. Abdeali bhaisaheb entered and is residing with dignity and peace in Syedna’s home of 70 years and we pray for that the day to come soon when Aqa Moula himself will go to Raudat Tahera, Saifee Masjid and Saify Mahal.

The Mumbai and Thane Police gave wholehearted support and protection to Syedna’s family and ensured safe access to Saify Mahal. The Mumbai and Thane Police has always been very focused on maintaining Law and Order and making sure people’s rights are upheld. We are thankful for their support and commend them on their professionalism and dedication in maintaining peace and order in the city.

Posted: **Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:33 am**

rational_guy wrote:Mohammediah Township Khidmat
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLb-uTa9VlU
No wonder Shz Aliasger Kalimuddin was harbouring so much hatred and Jealousy towards SKQ TUS. SKQ did khidmat of Aqa Mola Burhanuddin RA with a lot of Jafeshaani. And at the end of the video, mumineen seeing the noor of SKQ TUS and in gratitude and shukr of his azeem khidmat of the 52nd Dai, they were thronging towards him and calling him Maula Maula.

1. There is no doubt that KQ carried out this khidmat. That is what every mumin from the Mazoon downwards is supposed to do. Khidmat.
It is ridiculous to say that Just because KQ did this "jafeshaani" and khidmat, Shz Aliasgar bs or any other Shzds "harbouring so much hatred and Jealousy towards". Galyakot is just one example, there may be many more services of KQ, but what you conveniently forget is that during Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin's time there have been 100s of Masjid and various Iftetah's taken place. What you see in this video will appear for 100s of other events where other Shehzadas would have spearheaded this khidmat and received the same sharaf.
Some may be more than KQ, some less, including Shz Aliasgar bs. For example, for years Shdzd Aliasgar BS has over looked Syedna's trips to Pakistan and was always in the forefront. Look at any video of Pakistan and you will see him. - Is anyone jealous of him? No!
Look at Misr and Jame' anwar and you will see Syedna Mufaddal TUS.
Just by doing this khidmat doesn't make you the Mansoos.

2. Towards the end of the video Mumineen "seeing the noor" of him, "were thronging towards him and calling him Maula Maula" - is another ridiculous comment.
A) He was in the rutba of Mazoon, and people referred to the Mazoon as Mazoon Moula. Nothing wrong with that. The same was referred to for Mukasir Saheb, where people called him "Mukasir Moula". Why don't you highlight that?
B) Just because Mumineen call someone Moula doesn't make KQ the Mansoos.
C) If the Mumineen called him Moula because he was the Mansoos, since Nass was private, how did the Mumineen know he was the Mansoos?
D) After the Nass on Syedna Mufaddal TUS, ALL Dawoodi Bohras referred to him as "Mufaddal Moula", and saw "his noor". Why don;t you refer to that?
E) Moula means "leader", many Sahebs in history, who weren't Mansoos, or Mazoons, or Mukasirs were referred to as "Moula". Ex: Moulaya Raaj, Moulaya Bharmal, etc etc
That doesn't make them the Mansoos.

A Mansoos is only one that has has been appointed by the Dai through Nass.

Posted: **Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:05 am**

Broken-record Adam is back but will he answer the Taizoon question?

Posted: **Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:09 am**

A) He was in the rutba of Mazoon, and people referred to the Mazoon as Mazoon Moula. Nothing wrong with that. The same was referred to for Mukasir Saheb, where people called him "Mukasir Moula". Why don't you highlight that?
B) Just because Mumineen call someone Moula doesn't make KQ the Mansoos.

Adam
Did any one call or shouted MANSOOS MAULA to SMS?

Posted: **Sun Aug 31, 2014 10:00 pm**

now mr adam will you please do " khidmat" by showing me proof how dai is needed for salvation

Posted: **Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:10 am**

TS 100
Administration Hierarchy is simple : according to Kothar Company unlimited :

Copyright access to Allah << Prophet << Imam << Dai << Pay Money <<Salvation

Wherein the “Dai << Pay money” is wajib ; without it no salvation. So you need to have money and that money should go to Dai then only you can get salvation. No element of this chain can be jumbled.

When there is no free lunch… where can you get free salvation !

Posted: **Mon Sep 01, 2014 2:58 am**

humanbeing wrote:TS 100
Administration Hierarchy is simple : according to Kothar Company unlimited :

Copyright access to Allah << Prophet << Imam << Dai << Pay Money <<Salvation

Wherein the “Dai << Pay money” is wajib ; without it no salvation. So you need to have money and that money should go to Dai then only you can get salvation. No element of this chain can be jumbled.

When there is no free lunch… where can you get free salvation !

Your last statement is applicable only to bohras but Allah promises free salvation. He just asks you to follow His word. Definitely NO money is required. It's up to us to choose.

Posted: **Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:16 pm**

Mili thi zindagi kisi ke kaam aane ke liye

Par waqt beet raha hai kaagaz ke tukde kamaane ke liye

Kya karoge itna paisa kama kar ?
Na kafan me jeb hai na kabar me 'Almaari'.

Aur ye maut ke farishte to "Rishwat" bhi nahi lete !

Posted: **Mon Sep 01, 2014 5:43 pm**

Yeh Dawaat key Jhagde, Yeh Misaq pey Takrar
Jisey Naaz hey Dawaat pey woh Dai kahan hey?
Kahan hei Kahan hei Kahan hei…
Yeh Ziyafaat key Soode, Yeh wajebaat pey takrar
Jisey Naaz hei Dawaat pey woh Dai kahan hei,

Posted: **Tue Sep 02, 2014 1:39 am**

ghulam muhammed wrote:Aur ye maut ke farishte to "Rishwat" bhi nahi lete !

Rukku Chitthi to lete hai !

Posted: **Sat Sep 06, 2014 2:56 pm**

Brother adam how are you?
I have a cousin in India and she had some health issues where the doctor asked her to perform a very life critical surgery and the doctors were not sure weather to operate or not. She called me and told me that she would go to Muffi (they are/ were hardcore MS followers) I told her and her husband to come to the US and get it diagnosed but they refused. They went to MS with their problem and asked him what to do thrice, all he said was "ask the doctor". They were left without a solution and I called them to the US and am having the treatment here.
After this my cuzin and her husband are in doubts and can not believe that if MS were the real Syedna, he wouldn't leave a Mumin stranded. I have heard more incidents where he gives no solution. Its high time the intelligent people realise tbat MS is none but a con. This is true and am telling you this from personal experience as I have seen the Late Syedna give solutions and how! The fools need not read this the rest happy realization.

Posted: **Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:08 pm**

This is true and am telling you this from personal experience as I have seen the Late Syedna give solutions and how!

And wasn't it the late Syedna who left you with MS? How can a Syedna who gives solutions give birth to a conman? Wasn't he ghaib na jaankar? Oh wait, Adam will probably tell you that just like the prophet (saw) kept 1,2,3 close to him so did the Syedna keep MS close to him.

Posted: **Sat Sep 06, 2014 9:04 pm**

anajmi wrote:
And wasn't it the late Syedna who left you with MS? How can a Syedna who gives solutions give birth to a conman? Wasn't he ghaib na jaankar? m.

Absolutely possible to give birth such due to degrading DNA.
No way he could have given any other birth.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 4:06 am**

Guys please spare Adambhai, i think because of his incapability to defend MS, kothar has removed him from the job.

Now kothari people are taking interviews day and night to replace ADAM.

Till than we all have to keep our questions on hold and lets hope to have some one more talented who would be able to misinterpret the text from quran and present fairy tales story in a more creative way to defend MS.

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 2:49 pm**

Where is MS now, Does anyone know?

Posted: **Sun Sep 07, 2014 3:04 pm**

thesource wrote:Where is MS now, Does anyone know?

He is on a hunting trip in Tanzania, after which he is scheduled to go to U K.

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 3:23 am**

Heard Taha bs Ibrahim bs and A team is Bakersfield and have got the custody back of all the kids

Big loss for KQ because this was is Ace card which he finally lost. finally KQ drama will end.

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 5:12 am**

KM1 wrote:Heard Taha bs Ibrahim bs and A team is Bakersfield and have got the custody back of all the kids

Big loss for KQ because this was is Ace card which he finally lost. finally KQ drama will end.

What is the source of this news ? What about mothers of those Kids ?

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 6:22 am**

Underage children are usually given in the custody of mothers. I don't see how the fathers succeeded.

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 7:51 am**

Personally I feel, it is very sad to see kids go through this pain of separating parents. Its more sadder that such seperations is happening due to grandpas fighting and not their parents. Kotharis have got taste of their own medicine. Hopefully conscience prevails !

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 9:34 am**

Yes Humanbeingbhai I agree, the children bear the absolute worst brunt when parents are in conflict.

When we consider the agony expressed on this forum by adults, what must be happening to the children? If the adults in the community are feeling powerless with no choices and control over their community life, what about the children?

Children, more than anything else in the world, need their parents to respect each other during their conflicts with each other. Hope the children develop resilience, as do the rest of us as adults.

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:01 am**

KM1 wrote:Heard Taha bs Ibrahim bs and A team is Bakersfield and have got the custody back of all the kids

Big loss for KQ because this was is Ace card which he finally lost. finally KQ drama will end.

Oh for Godsakes...The mothers have primary custody of the children. The fathers got 5 days visitation and they will come back to their mothers shortly.

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 11:26 am**

think_for_yourself wrote:
KM1 wrote:Heard Taha bs Ibrahim bs and A team is Bakersfield and have got the custody back of all the kids

Big loss for KQ because this was is Ace card which he finally lost. finally KQ drama will end.
Oh for Godsakes...The mothers have primary custody of the children. The fathers got 5 days visitation and they will come back to their mothers shortly.

Nice. I wonder if this constitutes maintaining contact with dawat na dushman, thereby breaking the "misaq" for these sons of princes..

Posted: **Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:14 pm**

disillusioned wrote:
think_for_yourself wrote: Oh for Godsakes...The mothers have primary custody of the children. The fathers got 5 days visitation and they will come back to their mothers shortly.
Nice. I wonder if this constitutes maintaining contact with dawat na dushman, thereby breaking the "misaq" for these sons of princes..

In oppressive regimes, makers of rules, generally don't consider themselves subject to the oppressive rules they create and their minions enforce. Broken families everywhere should pay heed that QE and MS bhaisab's sons are meeting with their children, some of whom have given misaq to SKQ. Families should stand strong together in times like these. Blood after all runs thicker than water.

Posted: **Tue Sep 09, 2014 3:36 am**

Different set of rules for "Holy Men & their families. "

disillusioned wrote:
think_for_yourself wrote: Oh for Godsakes...The mothers have primary custody of the children. The fathers got 5 days visitation and they will come back to their mothers shortly.
Nice. I wonder if this constitutes maintaining contact with dawat na dushman, thereby breaking the "misaq" for these sons of princes..

Posted: **Thu Sep 11, 2014 4:49 pm**

ghulam muhammed wrote:
subcon111 wrote:This is all posturing for the eventual legal battle that is to follow. Especially after Justice Ahmadi and Sh. Yusuf Muchhala pledging support to SKQ.
The above 2 people joining SKQ camp must have definitely given SMS sleepless nights because Justice Ahmedi is a retired Chief Justice of Supreme Court of India commanding lot of respect and influence and Advocate Yusuf Muchala is the one who has represented Kothar (SMB and SMS camp) many a times, hence he must be privy to many closely guarded secrets of that camp and could be in a position to spill the beans at the right time !!

Is this true/verified as reported above that the advocate Yusuf Muchchala had taken misaq of SKQ? His name continues to appear as a Joint Treasurer on Mumbai's jamaat Shiat e Ali

Search "Shaikh Yusuf Bhai Hatim Bhai Muchhala" on http://www.anjumaneshiateali.org/general_body.php

Posted: **Fri Sep 12, 2014 5:14 pm**

adna_mumin wrote:Is this true/verified as reported above that the advocate Yusuf Muchchala had taken misaq of SKQ? His name continues to appear as a Joint Treasurer on Mumbai's jamaat Shiat e Ali

Search "Shaikh Yusuf Bhai Hatim Bhai Muchhala" on http://www.anjumaneshiateali.org/general_body.php

I think that the list of office bearers provided by you is an old one because not only does Yusuf Muchhala's name appear on it but even Khorakhiwala's name appears in it although this family has moved over to SKQ camp openly. There is another person Saifuddin Kopti whose name also figures in the list although he was denied entry into his father's grave just a week ago.

Posted: **Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:41 am**

Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin's organization QJSP has started. Following is the link of categories of scholarships.

http://qjsp.org/eligibility/

Posted: **Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:08 am**

DONATE

QJSP has an endowment fund as well as an annual giving account. The endowment fund allows QJSP to preserve the original gift in perpetuity and regularly grant scholarships based on the endowment earnings.
QJSP is targeting to raise Rs. 5 crore (approximately USD 800,000) by December 2016 for the QJSP endowment fund. Based on this target, QJSP plans to fund approximately 50 students by the academic year 2017. Syedna Qutbuddin has personally done inayat of Rs. 50 lacs (approximately USD 80,000) to the endowment fund. The total financial commitment received to date is Rs. 1 crore and 10 lacs (approximately USD 180,000).

We are seeking donors who can commit Rs. 10 lacs or a multiple thereof (approximately USD 16,000) to the endowment fund. The returns generated on Rs. 10 lacs will sponsor about one student every year. The annual giving option is for donations smaller than Rs. 10 lacs, which will be given directly as scholarships within the year.

We will publish an annual audited and detailed year end report. The names and reports of students who receive the scholarship will also be published in this report. QJSP’s general policy is to grant an average of 40% of the scholarship in full, the rest of the scholarship amount will be structured as an interest free soft student loan.

QJSP is a dedicated program set up in the Zahara Hasanat Trust (Regn. No. E24221M). Zahra Hasanaat Trust has been approved for 80G Tax Exempt Status and it has also has FCRA approval (Foreign Currency Regulation Act). Although QJSP is under the Zahra Hasanaat umbrella, it will maintain independent accounts.

We will be posting further details soon. If you would like to contribute email contact@qjsp.org

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