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I think you have forgotten the fact that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA signed that. If its between the Dai and Mazoon, Definitely we will believe the Dai.

@sbm:
nass was never verified by him. That person just shared his experience.

true_bohra wrote:I think you have forgotten the fact that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA signed that. If its between the Dai and Mazoon, Definitely we will believe the Dai.

@sbm:
nass was never verified by him. That person just shared his experience.

do u know how easy it is to fake signature, specially for those who can shamelessly throw birthday party on his fathers death?

btw it is so amazing SMB chose random hindu man to disclose his secret and not his own mukasir or some momeen from 1.2 million population. isnt this shame for bohras?

true_bohra wrote:I think you have forgotten the fact that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA signed that. If its between the Dai and Mazoon, Definitely we will believe the Dai.

@sbm:
nass was never verified by him. That person just shared his experience.

True Bohra brother, i understand you are suffering some kind of illness, but please do not put yourself under these intense pressure of questioning each and every answer which you cannot answer properly.

1.Did you go and see that Syedna has signed it? have you seen Syedna's signature before?
2.If dai believed in Mazoon, why is it difficult for you to believe mazoon as compared to his less privileged son?
3. Please whoever is the witness you are claiming is alive, let him come in front of people hold the Quran in his hand and tell people about the Nass in detail!
4. You not believing syedna...you are believing what his son is saying, have you clearly heard any kind of audible of nass? and why did he do nass after his illness, when he could have done it anytime before!

Bro true_bohra,

It is surprising that you don't find it odd when the most important farman on which hinges the faith of the entire Bohra community is made in front of people who are "Interested parties" and not in front of "neutral sources" ! If SMB wished then it was very easy for him to summon Mazoon and Mukasir as it takes hardly a few hours to travel to London by plane but he supposedly didn't do it or as is obvious, he wasn't allowed to do it. However the most likely scenario is that he had lost his figure of speech which gave Muffy and his brothers enough reasons to manipulate the Nass.

As regards the letter of an alleged Nass to Muffy, the same is also presented by SKQ. Its difficult for any sane person to believe any of these letters as the signature cannot be verified. However the best course is to wait for the court decision when these letters will be produced as evidence by both parties and the court will be in the best position to verify its authenticity. Till such time, follow the one who is more sane, more liberal and more humble with a good future plan for the community and needless to say that SKQ comes out as the winner.

true_bohra wrote:is every nass in history done in presence of mazoon and mukasir???

is it a compulsary condition for nass??

If mazoon is not required to witness transition, help select the next Diai then what is his role. He is not I charge of any building committee, he has no access to Jamia , he cannot make rules, cannot advise the Diai , cannot arbitrate on our behalf. So what the bloody hell is he there for.

Why don't we boyish these positions, and this may happen to avoid SMS falling for the same trap when he expects his an to be the 54th.

Why is the Alawi Mazoon so much more active? I mean the roles are the same but in our case zadas managed to silence him.

In my childhood days, my dadima used to tell me the bedside stories, so that I can sleep calmly. But in my childhood days, I never believed in those stories, that is why I stay and face the real world. Quiet away from the wonderland. But looking at the present condition I feel people are still in there dreamworld.

ye kahan ki insanyat hai ke k.q.s ko jante tak nahi aur s.m.s. ke kehni par gallian de rahe hain. khas kar hamari community ke aurtain. kia aurtoon ko acha lagta hain apni zaban se kisse ko galian de na. yeh kia hamari qom ke sharif aurtain hain? en ke sooch kahaan chale gai hain.

Buildings in Saifee Mahal Complex
(1) Saifee Mahal
(2) Al Azhar
(3) Burhani Manzil

Residents of Saifee Mahal (building)
This building and its gardens and masjid are supposedly owned by dawat properties.
Utilities are paid by dawat properties.
- Residence of late Syedna
- Second wife of mukasir (expired)
- Mother in law of Mufaddal bs
- Children of Maryam bs (sister of Yusuf bs Najmuddin & step sister of Syedna)
- Children of Ismail bs and Tayeb bs (step brothers of late Syedna)
- Children of Asma bs (sister of late Syedna)
- Badrul Jamali and family (brother in law of Mufaddal bs)
- Children of Zehra bs (step sister of late Syedna & sister of late Syedna's mazoon)

Residents of Al Azhar (building)
This building is supposedly privately owned by its flat owners and has its own gate and garden.
Utilities are supposedly paid by flat owners
Ground Floor
- Mukasir and family (this flat is supposedly owned by the late Syedna)
First Floor
- Fatema bs, Zainab bs, & Shabbir bs (sisters & brother of late Syedna's mazoon)
Second Floor
- Qasim bs, Banu bs (steps of late Syedna), & Shirin bs (sister of late Syedna's mazoon)
Third Floor
- Hatim bs (expired) and family (brother of late Syedna's mazoon), Juzar (brother in law of Mufaddal bs), Asgar bs (step brother of late Syedna)
Fourth Floor
- Late Syedna's mazoon, Abbas bs and Baqir bs (both brothers of late Syedna's mazoon)

Burhani Manzil
This building and surroundings are supposedly owned by flat owners.
Utilities are supposedly paid by flat owners.
All of late Syedna's children.

So most of late Syedna's family or royal family live here. If they don't sucumb to mufaddal bs, they're out on the street or first killed by his thugs! Either way, they're screwed!

Badrul Jamali has recently renovated his house. The most expensive renovetion made in years. There were a few underground hidden bunkers were created. The italian most expensive marbles were used inside kitchen and bathrooms. The facade and the loby area was made out of teak wood.
Now the question is how was all these managed?

QutbiBohra wrote:Badrul Jamali has recently renovated his house. The most expensive renovetion made in years. There were a few underground hidden bunkers were created. The italian most expensive marbles were used inside kitchen and bathrooms. The facade and the loby area was made out of teak wood.
Now the question is how was all these managed?

Dont you know brother this was managed by the zabardast contribution of abdes from Bunglows/Flats/CHAWLS AND SLUMS

And in the future too these abdes frm above category will make sure that each and every family members of their JAAN N MAAL NA MALIK should live like kingsize and for that they wont leave any stone unturned to give them this lifestyle otherwise they will have to face HELL.

haqniwaat wrote:Buildings in Saifee Mahal Complex
(1) Saifee Mahal
(2) Al Azhar
(3) Burhani Manzil

Residents of Saifee Mahal (building)
This building and its gardens and masjid are supposedly owned by dawat properties.
Utilities are paid by dawat properties.
- Residence of late Syedna
- Second wife of mukasir (expired)
- Mother in law of Mufaddal bs
- Children of Maryam bs (sister of Yusuf bs Najmuddin & step sister of Syedna)
- Children of Ismail bs and Tayeb bs (step brothers of late Syedna)
- Children of Asma bs (sister of late Syedna)
- Badrul Jamali and family (brother in law of Mufaddal bs)
- Children of Zehra bs (step sister of late Syedna & sister of late Syedna's mazoon)

Residents of Al Azhar (building)
This building is supposedly privately owned by its flat owners and has its own gate and garden.
Utilities are supposedly paid by flat owners
Ground Floor
- Mukasir and family (this flat is supposedly owned by the late Syedna)
First Floor
- Fatema bs, Zainab bs, & Shabbir bs (sisters & brother of late Syedna's mazoon)
Second Floor
- Qasim bs, Banu bs (steps of late Syedna), & Shirin bs (sister of late Syedna's mazoon)
Third Floor
- Hatim bs (expired) and family (brother of late Syedna's mazoon), Juzar (brother in law of Mufaddal bs), Asgar bs (step brother of late Syedna)
Fourth Floor
- Late Syedna's mazoon, Abbas bs and Baqir bs (both brothers of late Syedna's mazoon)

Burhani Manzil
This building and surroundings are supposedly owned by flat owners.
Utilities are supposedly paid by flat owners.
All of late Syedna's children.

So most of late Syedna's family or royal family live here. If they don't sucumb to mufaddal bs, they're out on the street or first killed by his thugs! Either way, they're screwed!

So these are the Ground Zero hostages at Saifee Mahal. May Allah give them courage, and keep them in Hiz Hifaazat! Perpetretators turned victims, victims turned perpetrators... Multiply harassed victims, repeat offenders, ruthless captors, etc. etc. etc.

When is this cycle and environment of hostility and insanity going to stop?

Haqniwaat,

You clearly know details about Saifee mahal, including who lives where (that is a lot of details for commoners like us).

Any idea why the full brothers and sisters of SKQ are not supporting him in public at all? Why? And are we to assume that they are actually still in regular contact with SKQ family in private?

Bhai dcp, they get monthly wazaifo a big big one. They have to live in Saify Mehal. I would not switch for Haqq. Would you? Private contact? May be through Imam.

New wrote:Bhai dcp, they get monthly wazaifo a big big one. They have to live in Saify Mehal. I would not switch for Haqq. Would you? Private contact? May be through Imam.

If your allegations are true, that actually shows how weak KQ is.
He couldn't even convince his own brethren to sacrifice their lives for his cause.

Adam wrote:

New wrote:Bhai dcp, they get monthly wazaifo a big big one. They have to live in Saify Mehal. I would not switch for Haqq. Would you? Private contact? May be through Imam.

If your allegations are true, that actually shows how weak KQ is.
He couldn't even convince his own brethren to sacrifice their lives for his cause.

Should'nt you be saying "how weak the ikhlaas and imaan of his own brethren is that they could not sacrifice duniya for haqq nu deen" ..instead

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote:

Adam wrote: If your allegations are true, that actually shows how weak KQ is.
He couldn't even convince his own brethren to sacrifice their lives for his cause.

Should'nt you be saying "how weak the ikhlaas and imaan of his own brethren is that they could not sacrifice duniya for haqq nu deen" ..instead

Yeah, that too.
It shows KQ wasn't convincing enough to bring his own Brothers and Sisters to his side. And those people respected him throughout.
It's not about convincing. They heard and believed Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, they chose the Dai over everyone else.

Yeah, that too.
It shows KQ wasn't convincing enough to bring his own Brothers and Sisters to his side. And those people respected him throughout.
It's not about convincing. They heard and believed Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, they chose the Dai over everyone else.

Bhai Adam
Did you think this also applies to SMS that he could not convince his daughter in laws too so they left hims along with their kids to to SKQ.
Is not shame that his own daughter in laws and grand children decided not to stay on his side, Seems like SMS and his sons could not convince their own and believed in SKQ, They also chose the Dai they thought was the right one too
Every time you point one finger to some one else remembers four fingers point towards you

Kq saheb daughters left Money, Power to support theirs father and to face threatens, laanat and humiliation along with hers father.

That to me shows more conviction.

Adam wrote:What you're saying is true.
Convincing doesn't define right or wrong.
But, what is to be noted is that all KQs brothers and sisters were very close to him and supportive of him (not that he was a Mansoos). And when they all found out he was lying, they left him at a blink of an eye.
That, to me shows conviction.

Bhai Adam
You think brother and sisters are more closer then some one who bore you children and grand children. It seems that for daughter in laws to leave the comfort of Saify Mahal and face the laanats is more courageous then the greedy and power hungry Mukasir and his children.
Even Ambani brothers were very close when Dhiru was alive and see what happened after his death
Frustrate Bohra put it very eloquently and I hope you can respond to that.

Convincing doesn't define right or wrong

Prophet Mohammed did convince people and was able to convert them to the right religion.while followers of SMS were convinced by the dream of an Unknown Hindu of his claim to Dai Ship

Adam wrote:what is to be noted is that all KQs brothers and sisters were very close to him and supportive of him (not that he was a Mansoos). And when they all found out he was lying, they left him at a blink of an eye.
That, to me shows conviction.

I would not really call it conviction, rather it is convenience ! They chose the wealthy and popular side. They must have observed the systematic dominance of SMS camp in their own families as well as at the larger community. With few examples of whistleblowers ( Taikhoon BS), they chose their side conveniently.

If these royals could abandon their father’s (STS) and elder brother’s (SMB) appointed person on seat of mazoon for 50 long years. Their conviction is rubbish !

A lot of dirt was hidden from commoners for many decades, but insider families knew what is brewing. The whole royal family is conveniently corrupt or cowardly helpless.

These Qasr-e-Mawalli are corrupt to core ............. like any other dictator family. They will do anything for Power and Money, anything...

They are all of the above: cowardly helpless and corrupt. When mazoon sahib was popular, they were with him. After the hebatullah gang and mufaddal bs took over, they changed sides and have been this way since the Africa episode. Now they have inter-married with mufaddal bs gang, so they are stuck in all ways - but they like it that way. There is nothing stopping them from supporting Syedna Qutbuddin but their egos. One of the main characteristics of a mumin is nadim mustaghfir - humbleness and forgiveness - which none of them have. Although they like to pretend they are the most humble and forgiving. If they were, they would have never terrorized.

Qasr-e-Mawallis are the MOST ARROGANT people on whole planet ............ sorry not even 'people' but some 'living creatures' ............

JC wrote:Qasr-e-Mawallis are the MOST ARROGANT people on whole planet ............ sorry not even 'people' but some 'living creatures' ............

With this language of yours...are you human??

first correct yourself and then better spread your guru gyaan..

haha what did he say that was so bad??? he only said the word arrogant. if you had payed attention in muffu's bayaans you old have known that his language is worse

Masoom Sehrai wrote:There is a news/rumor in town that Mazoon Sahib has won the court case of Saify Mahal's Claim in some of the courts in Bombay in recent days.
Does any one knows any details about this.
Also is there any connection between this and the purchase of "Cama House".
Can anyone give any authentic reference to this for the benefit of the 'Community'.

Is this news from 10+ years back accurate? If so, can anyone post the official ruling of the court in this specific case?

And what happened to the Kothar's purchase of Cama House...

Last news was this!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city ... 871907.cms

There was more news on it as per this old thread on this forum: http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2283

kimanumanu wrote:There was more news on it as per this old thread on this forum: http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2283

Bhai,

I appreciate the link, but it does not answer the question that I raised. Specifically,
1. ) was there a court case related to Saify Mahal ?
2.) did SKQ saheb win it?
3.) what was the specific court judgement?

Let me tell you why I am asking. I saw that in the current High Court case they (SKQ saheb) have submitted a document called Malbar Hill Tennant Association document, I presume related to the property of Saify Mahal. I am curious what is the relevance of it, and why they submitted it? My mind can speculate, but that is pointless guessing. That is why I just wanted to know if the court case was decided, and if the judgement is available for the public?