Ismaili religious hymns or Ginans

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All we need now is a manifest light on a racing horse with ginans to guide us!!

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One other thing. all the people who understand the esoteric babble can be found in an Ismaili jamatkhana. So wouldn't you be better off over there??

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<br>Hafeez<p>You wrote: "Go ahead pray your 5 salah BASED on the same sahih hadeeths that abuse & blaspheme the Prophet & Islam."<p>Are you a nut?<p>Is anybody on this board is going to back you up that Muslims pray 5 salah bacause Bukhari recorded so.<p>Listen stupid. It is a fact that Prophet of Islam Muhammad SAW prayed 5 Salah every day. He prayed in open, He led the prayers whenever he prayed in Jamaat.<p>Let me tell you again. Praying 5 salah is 'Fird' on every Muslim. Anybody who disputes this or does not pray salah as done by prophet SAW is out of 'pale of Islam'.<p>This Salah is observed by all Tariqas of Islam. Even Qadiyani's pray five times a day.<p>Even Shia's do not dispute validity of salah. Yes there are procedural differences.<p>Once again get on one of horses of your god-head and keep on riding.<p><br>

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This topic is about Ginans. Either answer the questions that are asked of you or get lost. I am not interested in the specifics of your namaz, neither am i interested in your blasphemous hadith-driven creed. You may try the sewer down the street!<p>Here's the CHALLENGE that I keep posting for you. What do I have to do next? Asif says to: TRY Offering $500 payable to Charity. Does this offer have any significance to you?<br>_____<p>HERE's The CHALLENGE, yet one more time:<br>========================================<br>I asked you to explain what the aya 24:35, 4:59, 5:67 and 4:174-175, for example, means to a sunni-wahabi, not direct me to a english translation?<p>There are hundreds of Ginans with its equally esoteric lyrics which are prone to manipulation, and you have chosen to manipulate one or two. The Ginans are devotional hymns that praise Allah & His Imams - the bearer of His Light/Nur and as such EXPLAINS Sura 4:59, 5:67, 4:174-175 and 24:35, for example, in the Shia Ismaili context. <p>Why don't you tell us what those Surah means to a sunni-wahabi? <p>If they mean the sahih hadeeths then do let us know. Are you ashamed? <br>If you can't or won't explain, then disappear or get lost like your other nicks of alphabxx, tarasara & agakhani willing to convert, for example, did?<p>THE MONOREAL ALLAH<br>==================<br>'Ali 'BY ITSELF' is not Allah because that would conflict with Sura 24:35 and Ismaili belief in the MONOREAL Allah or the 'One-ness or Unity' of Allah.<p>LIGHT of ALLAH (imam) is NOT be a PARTNER of Allah beacuse it is of the same LIGHT or Nur of Allah? Refer to "Light upon Light..[24:35]", for example.<p>Light/Noor of Allah doesn't BEGET new Light like a human begets a new human offspring. The light is all around us, it is in us but only the Chosen (Imam) is guideth by Allah. Refer to 'Allah is the Light of the Heavens & earth..[24:35} and ' we have sent you a Light that is Manifest..[4:174]', for example.<p>Now, with the SAHIH Hadiths it is entirely a different matter. They are physical fabrications, an abominations and made the equivalent/Partner of Allah's Quran. And, what a partner! The most adulterated & blasphemous SET OF WRITINGS ever - the core of Sunni-wahabiism. <p>GRAND DELUSION:<br>=============<br>You are DELUDING if you think you are going to PROMOTE your adulterated & blasphemous sahih hadeeth-based sunni-wahabi stuff here, there or anywhere? A'int gonna happen! <p>Finally, I would strongly ENCOURAGE the readers on this list to read some of the beautiful syncretic sufic-bhakti lyrics of the Ginans.<br>http://www.iis.ac.uk/research/academic_ ... nopsis.htm <p>

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All we need now is a manifest light on a racing horse with ginans to guide us!!

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One other thing. all the people who understand the esoteric babble can be found in an Ismaili jamatkhana. So wouldn't you be better off over there??