Dawoodi Bohra Forum

AbdeSMBSMS wrote:

wise_guy wrote: I have question for you AbdeSMBSMS - If someone tells you about a mojiza of Maula (TUS) which looks too good to be true but you will believe it right away and don't question a iota of it but here you doubt it right away. Why so?

See first of all u can't compare Mojiza of Maula ( tus ) with this Crap may be it can be true Or false but u can't compare.
Secondly in this Forum there are many fanatic persons who just want to pinpoint towards Our Maula ( tus ) by screening false tale.
I am not denying that this matter about Pune Amil is not true it can be so but i want to say don't blame Our Maula ( tus ) for this.
Secondly i dont have any concern with pune Amil. If the goolam had secured this matter till Amil only i wudnot have debated but he is Unnecessarily relating My Maula ( tus ) in this matter.

Brother Abde,
why the people Shouldn't Question the Dai , if the Aamil in every city says that for any Good Cause he has a Raza from Mola then what about the Bad one's and if your Mola knows everything as you might think then why is he Giving Raza to the Corrupt Aamil's ?

Bhai AMAFHH
First of all Our Maula ( tus ) doesnot give raza for the bad deeds they are done by the Amils themselves.
Ofcourse Maula knows everything The past present & future. See for Aqamaula ( tus ) good & bad one all are his childrens & he never differentiate between them now its upon us that how we do khidmat with the raza of his holiness so that his status & high grandeur doesnot gets affect & it remains steady.

SBM wrote:BECAUSE THE AAMIL IS APPOINTED WITH THE RAZA OF AQA MOULA,
Remember BUCK STOPS THERE ONLY

Ok Amil is appointed by the Raza of Aqamaula ( tus ) but Maula ( tus ) doesnot give raza to Amil for doing bad deeds.
If a Amil of any country City Or town is doing bad deeds so he is solely responsible for that.

AbdeSMBSMS wrote:

SBM wrote:BECAUSE THE AAMIL IS APPOINTED WITH THE RAZA OF AQA MOULA,
Remember BUCK STOPS THERE ONLY

Ok Amil is appointed by the Raza of Aqamaula ( tus ) but Maula ( tus ) doesnot give raza to Amil for doing bad deeds.
If a Amil of any country City Or town is doing bad deeds so he is solely responsible for that.

So you agree Aqa Moula is not GHAIB NA JANKAR because if he is then he should know about what bad things Aamils are doing
and again you also agreed that he is a poor administrator and does not have control over his bad Aamils or he does not have any power to control those
bad Aamils.
Thank you for proving us right..

The Kothar operates on only one principle and that is, " Aqa maola nay koi ehvi news na pohonche jehna si ehno dil dukhi jaaey" . So all reports are scrutinized carefully and only fateh mubeen news are passed on to him . So how will he know the deeds of bad Aamil. Especially in the case of the tyrant Aamil of Pune, his brother Dr. Moiz is 24/7 with Aqa Maola and he will not present any bad report of his own brother to aqa Maola and thats why this tyrant Aamil challenges everyone to go ahead and report him and everyone knows their report will end up in the garbage can.
The basic principle that I mentioned above is wrong and all news should be given to him good or bad so he can fairly decide what to do, after all he is the one who is answerable to Allah & Imamuz zamaan for not removing crook Aamils from dawat khidmat.

But then he is not GHAIB NA JANKAR if he needs reports.

AbdeSTSSMB
Khan Chup gaya hey tu kathor, dekh tere chahaney wale tujse SOWWAL puch rahen hein which is If Syenda/Mansoos is Ghaib na Jankar how come he/they does not/donot know about this corrupt Aamil or he/they is/are just bad administrator/s or may be he is part of the BHAI ring

AbdeSMBSMS wrote:
See first of all u can't compare Mojiza of Maula ( tus ) with this Crap may be it can be true Or false but u can't compare.
Secondly in this Forum there are many fanatic persons who just want to pinpoint towards Our Maula ( tus ) by screening false tale.
I am not denying that this matter about Pune Amil is not true it can be so but i want to say don't blame Our Maula ( tus ) for this.
Secondly i dont have any concern with pune Amil. If the goolam had secured this matter till Amil only i wudnot have debated but he is Unnecessarily relating My Maula ( tus ) in this matter.

When u r not well u go to a doctor and if the illness is not cured, who do u blame ?

Kaka Akela wrote:The Kothar operates on only one principle and that is, " Aqa maola nay koi ehvi news na pohonche jehna si ehno dil dukhi jaaey" .

kaka akela,

with the above single kufr-filled statement you have proved that you are not a devout abde syedna! whether anyone gives good or bad news to mola or not, he is already aware of it, because he is ghaib na maalik, haqiqi kaaba, mojiza na saheb, haq na saheb etc etc. how do you think he communicates with the hidden imam? does anyone convey the news from imam to syedna? how did syedna appoint his mansoos? how does syedna take all the important decisions? only by lhaam and vahi from imam! syedna's telepathic powers are miraculous and beyond yours, mine any 2-bit human's comprehension.

the only news that REALLY disturbs mola/mansoos 'ane enu dil dukhi chhe' is just one. that vajebaat amount was not upto the mark expected. that really gets them hopping mad and the non-performing amils are either axed or shuffled off to obscure places like timbuktoo, jhumri talayya etc and their saaya, topi and kurta/pyjamas are shredded and fed to cows.

Ehna Dil Nay Dukh See Bachawa Na Khater Kothar Apna Bil Ma Dukh Bharee Day Chay ....

AbdeSMBSMS wrote:Bhai AMAFHH
First of all Our Maula ( tus ) doesnot give raza for the bad deeds they are done by the Amils themselves.
Ofcourse Maula knows everything The past present & future. See for Aqamaula ( tus ) good & bad one all are his childrens & he never differentiate between them now its upon us that how we do khidmat with the raza of his holiness so that his status & high grandeur doesnot gets affect & it remains steady.

Brother
as you said above Maula knows everything (as per Abde's) then why he is giving Raza to the Corrupt Aamils'? and that also after claming that He (the Dai) is the Na-ebe-imam and that The Dai is the True follower of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.W) and he's progeny (A.S) (wHICH HE IS NOT)