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"Of the 249 buildings that would be demolished under the redevelopment plan, SBUT has already acquired 200."

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/ ... egins.html

The above quoted statement from kothar is not quite true as although they have entered into agreements with building landlords BUT they have not made full payment to the landlords in majority of the cases, only the token amount has been paid. As for the balance amount, kothar is delaying the same by raising discrepancies with regard to the buildings, the FSI utilised etc etc. Hence until such time that full payment is made, the buildings cannot be legally owned by kothar. These and other factors may lead to legal tussles between kothar and landlords. Local bohras have been reporting some cases wherein kothar demands discounts of almost 40% in case the landlords insist on full payment at one go.

GM bhai

aap mujhe kothari defender keh ke mera apmaan kar rahe hain. the last person or people i want to vouch for are the kothar. shocking as it may seem, i would vouch for authentic reformists before i vouched for kothar yes, yahi sach hain hamari quom mein.

anyways, to come back to your post, i was not rejoicing, merely pointing out that work has started, better late than never, as compared to people who were saying that yeh sab bakwaas tha aur ek scam tha.

my point was to show that this is wrong, work is on

my point was to show that this is wrong, work is on

and the work was on for Saifee Technical High School in Dawood Baugh and the end result is............

SBM wrote:

my point was to show that this is wrong, work is on

and the work was on for Saifee Technical High School in Dawood Baugh and the end result is............

thenga sbm ji, bilkul sahi. but is there something wrong in being optimistic?

but is there something wrong in being optimistic?

Better to be Realist then false optimist.

zinger wrote:
i would vouch for authentic reformists

a fence sitter like you is going to judge who are authentic reformists and then vouch for them? as if it matters to the reformists..!!

Zinger is here to suck free oxygen ...he is distracting reformists from issues that matter. Can some throw a kfc bone in the bush and send him off and try to ignore his half Hindi ridiculous style...If he wants to practise poetry he should do it on malumat.org

zinger wrote:
i was not rejoicing, merely pointing out that work has started, better late than never, as compared to people who were saying that yeh sab bakwaas tha aur ek scam tha.

my point was to show that this is wrong, work is on

Bro zinger,

And my point was to show that although outwardly it seems that nothing is wrong but there seems to be some serious problems of which the average bohras are kept unaware of as the same are not publicised in print media.

FYI, I sincerely wish that this project is implemented as promised because I too have grown up in this area and I also have a few flats here hence Iam also affected by the project.

Bohra spring wrote:Zinger is here to suck free oxygen ...he is distracting reformists from issues that matter. Can some throw a kfc bone in the bush and send him off and try to ignore his half Hindi ridiculous style...If he wants to practise poetry he should do it on malumat.org

Bohra spring, i have been patient with you.

If you want to treat me like an animal, be prepared to be treated like one.

Believe me, i can get down and dirty like the animal that you are. Yes, you are an animal. I have been polite and courteous, but you seem to be assuming my politeness for my weakness. Dont!

ghulam muhammed wrote:

zinger wrote:
i was not rejoicing, merely pointing out that work has started, better late than never, as compared to people who were saying that yeh sab bakwaas tha aur ek scam tha.

my point was to show that this is wrong, work is on

Bro zinger,

And my point was to show that although outwardly it seems that nothing is wrong but there seems to be some serious problems of which the average bohras are kept unaware of as the same are not publicised in print media.

FYI, I sincerely wish that this project is implemented as promised because I too have grown up in this area and I also have a few flats here hence Iam also affected by the project.

GM bhai, believe me, we all know how wrong things are, on the inside.

Believe me when i tell you this, but we too, are trying to improve things from within, by opening peoples eyes to what is going on

Al Zulfiqar wrote:

zinger wrote:
i would vouch for authentic reformists

a fence sitter like you is going to judge who are authentic reformists and then vouch for them? as if it matters to the reformists..!!

you are right, it shouldnt.

But you my friend, are not even a reformist. You are just an indovidual with a grudge. an itch that cant be scratched.

zinger wrote:

Al Zulfiqar wrote: a fence sitter like you is going to judge who are authentic reformists and then vouch for them? as if it matters to the reformists..!!

you are right, it shouldnt.

But you my friend, are not even a reformist. You are just an indovidual with a grudge. an itch that cant be scratched.

Unless clergy is forced to understand 2 Quranic injunction, nothing will change.
1 there is no cumplson in Islam.
2 Q 2:208
Wasalaam

T

Salaam to All,

I wanted to know views of non-abdes over Bhendi Bazaar and other upliftment projects by Fatimi Dawa'h. Most of the constructions in Bhendi Bazaar area are in dilapidated state, cramped and poor in hygiene. People will get at least double area than what they currently own. This might as well be a business move, some might argue, that Dawa'h will earn Crores out of this. But there are lots of other constructions/projects running all over India with no monetary returns, that are intended just to provide home to homeless.

The general views of proggies and others seems to be that Bohra High Priest and his associates are a corrupt bunch of people who crave after power and money. But this, by contrast, seems to be a philanthropic activity on their part.

This is not to say that it exonerates them from everything. But might it be that they do have some humanity in them and interest of the Bohras in their mind?

Of course damage done by them to the spiritual state of people is immense and as I said they cannot be absolved of that crime for improving living standard of people.

zinger wrote: you are right, it shouldnt. But you my friend, are not even a reformist. You are just an indovidual with a grudge. an itch that cant be scratched.

does it matter who i am? what matters is what i stand for, and that is reform and fight against injustice. whereas you are a kothari apologist, who hunts with the wolves and sleeps with the lambs. outwardly you profess to be a broadminded and pragmatic bohra, but inwardly you are a hardcore abde and dai worshipper.

we have seen through your antics quite a while back and the only one you are fooling is yourself.

hurr wrote:Salaam to All,

I wanted to know views of non-abdes over Bhendi Bazaar and other upliftment projects by Fatimi Dawa'h. Most of the constructions in Bhendi Bazaar area are in dilapidated state, cramped and poor in hygiene. People will get at least double area than what they currently own. This might as well be a business move, some might argue, that Dawa'h will earn Crores out of this. But there are lots of other constructions/projects running all over India with no monetary returns, that are intended just to provide home to homeless.

The general views of proggies and others seems to be that Bohra High Priest and his associates are a corrupt bunch of people who crave after power and money. But this, by contrast, seems to be a philanthropic activity on their part.

This is not to say that it exonerates them from everything. But might it be that they do have some humanity in them and interest of the Bohras in their mind?

Of course damage done by them to the spiritual state of people is immense and as I said they cannot be absolved of that crime for improving living standard of people.

The general views of proggies and others seems to be that Bohra High Priest and his associates are a corrupt bunch of people who crave after power and money. But this, by contrast, seems to be a philanthropic activity on their part.
Yes this is true view not only of pdb but also of general dbs (except mindless die hard abde).Please throw some light on philanthropic activities of kothar,also please please count the benefits of saiffy hospital for the general dbs which was constructed by using all dbs money

Al Zulfiqar wrote:

zinger wrote: you are right, it shouldnt. But you my friend, are not even a reformist. You are just an indovidual with a grudge. an itch that cant be scratched.

does it matter who i am? what matters is what i stand for, and that is reform and fight against injustice. whereas you are a kothari apologist, who hunts with the wolves and sleeps with the lambs. outwardly you profess to be a broadminded and pragmatic bohra, but inwardly you are a hardcore abde and dai worshipper.

we have seen through your antics quite a while back and the only one you are fooling is yourself.

Yes. i love my Dai. I dont see any problem in it.

And you got it the other way round. We hunt the wolves with the sheep

Now try and figure that one out

Hurr
To respond to your question, I do not represent Reform movement and I do not speak for them
But if you go thru this forum, you will find that majority of Progressive and fence sitting Abdes agreed that it was a good idea even many agreed that Thaali system was a good idea but every one and I mean every one had reservation and very skeptical of the intentions. After a year we see how the so called FREE THAALI became another burden on already burdened Bohras.
As far as SBUT is concerned, every one thought it was a fantastic idea if done for the right purpose which is to help rehabilitate Bhendi Bazar and provide better accommodation without any ulterior motive by Kothri Goons
The project is already 3 year behind and all one has to see the grandeur projects Kothar had promised, like Saifee Technical High School, Saifee Hospital for POOR MUMINEEN and Saifee High School in Pydhonie (which is now one of the most expensive and majority of students are NON BOHRAS)
So let us see how this turns out.

Although this bhendi bazar redevelopment project if implemented properly could be a landmark project which would benefit many middle class bohras but right from its inception there was always an element of doubt as to whether it would be completed in time or gather dust like various other projects launched by kothar inc. By looking at the developments in its administrative office it seems that the latter could be true.

There seems to be a lot of upheavels not only amongst the staff but also within the high ranking zaadas which till now has not become public. There are reports of various cases of bohras who have initiated legal action as they feel that the paperwork has various loopholes which could result in exploitation, this fact has been kept under wraps. The very consent letter on which signatures are taken are delibarately kept unclear as the SBUT doesnt have the approved building plans as yet due to which the tenants are unaware of the exact location of the flat which is supposed to be alloted to them. There are also serious doubts about the SBUT claims of having the consent of 70% of tenants which is a mandatory requirement. Kothar had claimed that the project would be completed in 3 years time but although this period has elapsed but till today even the foundation stone of a single building has not been laid so its anyones guess as to when the entire project would be completed. Forget the construction but even the old buildings have not yet been demolished, only a couple of buildings out of the over 250 buildings have been razed to ground ! So when will 250 plus buildings be demolished and thereafter reconstructed ?? It is reported that SBUT has still not recieved the IOD permission which is the most basic document needed for a project.

There are reports of some building landlords being given 4 times the agreed amount due to threats of legal action being initiated by them, the details of which will come out in the open very soon. The job of managing the tenants has been given to M/s.Alamdar Infrastructure P.Ltd. which is owned by a bohra who is very close to Qaid Johar. It would be interesting to analyse the track record of this company and its past projects if any and also to have a look at the bio data of its directors.

There is an uneasy calm amongst bhendi bazar bohras who have now become apprehensive about the consent letter wherein they do not have an option of a legal course of action incase the project doesnt see the light of the day as they have signed a document which authorises ONLY the Dai to arbitrate in the matter in which case their fate would be in the hands of zaadas as the present dai is totally undisposed and not capable of taking any action.

There are strong reports that the head of this project, Qaid Johar is very much dissatisfied with the way this project is taking shape and is likely to step down in his official capacity and entrust the responsibilities to some other zaada.

I believe if this were to materialize, this will be very good for the ordinary bohras. Most bohris living in bohri mohalla are living in dilapidated structures in abhorring conditions. Even if the Kothari thugs make money out of the buildings, at least the living conditions of the ordinary person will improve. Let them create additional flats and then sell them for a profit. All the building owners are doing it and it isn't like the kotharis are doing it because they are looking out for the people. They are out there to make a buck just as much as the other guy.

anajmi wrote:I believe if this were to materialize, this will be very good for the ordinary bohras. Most bohris living in bohri mohalla are living in dilapidated structures in abhorring conditions. Even if the Kothari thugs make money out of the buildings, at least the living conditions of the ordinary person will improve. Let them create additional flats and then sell them for a profit. All the building owners are doing it and it isn't like the kotharis are doing it because they are looking out for the people. They are out there to make a buck just as much as the other guy.

yes this is true, but the problem is, IDIOT abdes will shout mb has done some favour on them by offering them some flats.he will be seen as second GOD on earth, and some more stupid madehs will be written by idiot abdes.

Bhendi Bazaar cluster project grinds to a halt
Shopkeepers say the compensatory rent they are being given is not enough -
Mumbai Mirror - Yogesh Sadhwani and Mustafa Shaikh
Posted On Tuesday, December 25, 2012 at 01:26:57 AM
Work on the ambitious Bhendi Bazaar cluster redevelopment project has come to a halt with shopkeepers and residents obtaining stay orders against the project, claiming that there is no clarity on which new buildings they would be allotted space in and how big it would be.
Work on the project started only three months ago, with the Saifee Burhani Upliftment Trust, which is developing the Rs 2,900-crore project spread over 16.5 acres, marking six buildings for demolition. However, only two buildings were partially pulled down while work on the other buildings has now been stopped. Shopkeepers and residents have formed a Project Affected Committee, objecting to the demolitions.

The locals had earlier given their consent to the project. They approached the Mumbai Building Repairs and Reconstruction Board (MBRRB) that had sanctioned the project and opposed the demolition. The SBUT has been able to bring down only two building, Mohamedi and Tankiwala, where the upper floors have been demolished while shops continue to operate from the ground floors.
Dissenting residents have now stalled the demolition of at least three buildings - Phoolwala, Tajbhai Moon Manzil, and Ebrahim Nuruddin Chawl. Shopkeepers are protesting on the grounds that while residents have been promised 350 square feet apartments in lieu of their 300 sq ft houses, shopkeepers have not been promised any extra space in the new project. And while residents have been accommodated in transit camps in Mazgaon, shop owners are only being given a nominal rent to compensate for the disruption. “To begin with, it does not look like the project will get done in the next three years,” said a committee member speaking on behalf of the shopkeepers.
“The SBUT has offered us Rs 140 per sq ft per month as rent. This is too little for us to rent a shop in the locality. We are unable to carry on with our business and have asked for higher rents so that we are at least able to make ends meet till the development is complete.” When Mumbai Mirror contacted Abbas Master, CEO, SBUT, he admitted that work has been stalled. “Before beginning the demolition we had called all the shopkeepers and given a detailed presentation about the project, so the question of lack of clarity should not arise. We have categorically stated that new shops would be allotted in the same cluster.

Residents would get houses either in the same cluster or a neighbouring one,” he said. Master added that a handful of shopkeepers were trying to arm-twist the SBUT. “Our studies had revealed that rents for shops are around Rs 75-90 per square feet per month. We are offering much more than that. But a handful of shopkeepers want more. If we allow unfair hikes and give in to their demands, the project’s viability will suffer.” Master added that even though no stay order has come from any authority they have voluntarily stopped the project.
“This is a project for the people. We want the issues to be sorted out before we resume work. Meanwhile, we are getting permissions from various government agencies,” he concluded. The project, which was announced in 2009 with the aim of decongesting the area, involves the construction of 249 buildings that will have 3,200 houses and 1,200 shops.

Noorani hotel has been vacated in the last one week, very big coup by kothar. local small time business man were holding on to how Noorani and zainabiya case goes.

My apprehensions with regard to this project, as expressed in my post dated 11th Dec 2012 seems to be coming true.

This is just the beginning of a very big and lengthy legal battle as there are way too many skeletons in the closet !!

asad wrote: Noorani hotel has been vacated in the last one week, very big coup by kothar

There are reports that an exhorbitant amount was paid to Noorani owners as kothar wanted to send signals to other sunni muslim shopkeepers in the vicinity. Some locals say that an amount of Rs.25 crore was paid whereas there are many who believe that the amount paid was actually Rs.110 crores.

Whatever be the case as it will require only a few Ziafats and Hadiyats to recover this amount.

through reliable sources its been heard that that a person working in qaid johars office has said that there are certain soil tests for the project for foundations which have failed. so like these are many difficulties which will further delay this project. the anjirwadi temporary residence which has been allotted to db's is on a lease of 10 years in a prefab accomodation. what will happen to those who have left their homes on faith of daais and zaadas if this project comes to a standstill?.

askz wrote: the anjirwadi temporary residence which has been allotted to db's is on a lease of 10 years in a prefab accomodation. what will happen to those who have left their homes on faith of daais and zaadas if this project comes to a standstill?.

I had stated the above in my earlier posts and also said that the subject buildings in anjirwadi are made to last for not more then 5/6 years, the said buildings being constructed on a land which is being leased out to kothar for a period of 10 years is also true. Regarding the ones who have left their homes on sheer faith in their dai and zaadas are in for a rude shock, watch out this space for further revelations !!

askz wrote:
what will happen to those who have left their homes on faith of daais and zaadas if this project comes to a standstill?.

dont worry, they will be invited to stay in saifee mahal.

Al Zulfiqar wrote:

askz wrote:
what will happen to those who have left their homes on faith of daais and zaadas if this project comes to a standstill?.

dont worry, they will be invited to stay in saifee mahal.

Yes Br AZ
they will be accommodated in SERVANT QUARTER (abdes are after all Servants)

SBM wrote:

Al Zulfiqar wrote: dont worry, they will be invited to stay in saifee mahal.

Yes Br AZ
they will be accommodated in SERVANT QUARTER (abdes are after all Servants)

How can this possible?bhai sbm servant quarters is for shaikhs & other mullas but for abde they build slave quarter which may be under construction.There is vast difference btw servant & slave.