Dawoodi Bohra Forum

I dont follow any bohra leader but when it comes to shariyah and sunnah of Prophet Muhammed(s) I am always in for those who stand for it...

momeenbhai wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:38 am Recently very good decisions are made by MS, especially about the taharat and najafat and also about the cutoff show off in marriages.

good to see that even poor will be able to get inline with rich of the community.

So you are saying MS is the Lenin of Dawoodi Bohras...That people who have worked hard for their wealth should not be able to spend it as they please? If you need some religious Don to force you to not serve alcohol at your child's wedding, you deserve him!! People who follow STF willingly do not serve alcohol at weddings. I have been to a few weddings lately and the people abstaining from the alcohol served were STF followers. MS followers happily imbibed

ajamali wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:06 am

momeenbhai wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:38 am Recently very good decisions are made by MS, especially about the taharat and najafat and also about the cutoff show off in marriages.

good to see that even poor will be able to get inline with rich of the community.

So you are saying MS is the Lenin of Dawoodi Bohras...That people who have worked hard for their wealth should not be able to spend it as they please? If you need some religious Don to force you to not serve alcohol at your child's wedding, you deserve him!! People who follow STF willingly do not serve alcohol at weddings. I have been to a few weddings lately and the people abstaining from the alcohol served were STF followers. MS followers happily imbibed

no if you have money doesnt mean you can spend it as you wish, as a muslim we have responsibility of following sunnah and become an example for society and for other muslims.

also the way TF is defending spendings on marriages by citing it as a legacy of burhanuddin clearly shows he is more into attracting followers to his cult rather than respecting sunnah of prophet Muhammed(s).

ajamali wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:06 am I have been to a few weddings lately and the people abstaining from the alcohol served were STF followers. MS followers happily imbibed

Thanks for making this point AJ. This has been my observation at weddings hosted by MS followers...Even people who acted goody two shoes at the masjid, now dared to drink in my presence as I was not in a position to judge them at the masjid...It is a sad statement on people who are with MS fo social reasons only....People who have sacrificed much for their faith, such as STF followers, obviously value the tenets of their faith..

STF has not sacrificed a single tenet of Shariah. Empowering a woman to choose (or not chhose) khafz in adulthood is well in line with Shariah guidance of adhering to a sunnah after the age of seven.

In fact, Burhanuddin Moula always celebrated the weddings of his sons with great pomp. If rich people did not get to celebrate and enjoy their money - within the limits of shariah - while fulfilling their obligations to others, there would be no motivation for people to prosper. This is the classic capitalism vs. socialism debate. As a community of traders, we should choose Capitalism!

This is the classic capitalism vs. socialism debate. As a community of traders, we should choose Capitalism

Zakat is one of the pillars of Islam which bodes well with Socialism and anathema to Capitalism

Crater Lake wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:24 am Even people who acted goody two shoes at the masjid, now dared to drink in my presence as I was not in a position to judge them at the masjid...

Hmmm is it possible it is a deterioration of their faith under the new leadership rather than a change in your status at the masjid?

Having said that, it is meaningless for a religious leader to force behavior on his people. The change in behavior is only meaningful if people adopt it themselves... STF followers definitely seem to be making a conscious choice rather than having things forced upon them...

SBM wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:33 am

This is the classic capitalism vs. socialism debate. As a community of traders, we should choose Capitalism

Zakat is one of the pillars of Islam which bodes well with Socialism and anathema to Capitalism

And hence I said, "within limits of Shariah" No one is suggesting people spend on celebrations without paying zakat.... It is entirely possible to do both. Gather your friends and family at a pleasant venue AND pay zakat and do right by the needy. STF lives this principle every single day of his life. The amount of good that is done by Zahra Hasanat is impeded only by the fear with which the Bohra needy accept help from Fatemi Dawat.

momeenbhai wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:37 am

he wants 8 year old to decide by her own free will?

No you fool...He wants the ADULT woman to decide. Adulthood comes after seven years of age...last time I checked. The texts suggests khafz after age seven...which includes adult hood. CDH is safer on an adult woman as the genitalia is well developed and distinguished. Unlike the circumcision of boys that is safer on infants, medically it is safer for a woman to choose the procedure in adulthood. It is a medical fact. And even then, it may not be appropriate for everyone.

Burhanuddin Moula's son (MS) claims to follow his legacy...so totally valid for STF to make this point when asked to comment on the MS fatwa.

If MS had guided his followers with compassion and wisdom, perhaps they would not have deteriorated into drunken, dancing fools...

Crater Lake wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:18 am

momeenbhai wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 9:37 am

he wants 8 year old to decide by her own free will?

Burhanuddin Moula's son (MS) claims to follow his legacy...so totally valid for STF to make this point when asked to comment on the MS fatwa.

you are a bigger idiot than I initially thought about you, any ways feel free to follow what ever you like. no wonder majority of momeenin have rejected your twisted version of dawat.

you guys are like politicians whos bread and butter come from just opposing ruling party in every right or wrong thing they do.

try to stand for what Islam says and rise above your petty leader politics which he does for his personal gains.

momeenbhai wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:45 am

Crater Lake wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 11:18 am



Burhanuddin Moula's son (MS) claims to follow his legacy...so totally valid for STF to make this point when asked to comment on the MS fatwa.

you are a bigger idiot than I initially thought about you, any ways feel free to follow what ever you like. no wonder majority of momeenin have rejected your twisted version of dawat.

you guys are like politicians whos bread and butter come from just opposing ruling party in every right or wrong thing they do.

try to stand for what Islam says and rise above your petty leader politics which he does for his personal gains.

Read the newspapers brother...it is not us who are opposing the toilet wreckers and party poopers...It is the followers of MS who are complaining. It only concerns us and to the extent that family weddings have been ruined and to the extent that our friends and family in the Mufaddal Saifuddin world complain to us. Beyond that it is of no concern to us. STF only responded because he was asked about it.

The idiots of the world do not need to be pointed out. They expose themselves quite easily

TF thought calling dalai lama will make him famous, but it back fired I guess lol

just received this whats app message.

most probably he made fool out of himself.

you take shariyat lightly for your personal benefit, kafir will take you lightly and even may play with your identity in public.

momeenbhai wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:41 pm you take shariyat lightly for your personal benefit, kafir will take you lightly and even may play with your identity in public.

Lighten Up-- Two leaders are having little fun and little fun does not hurt anyone..

momeenbhai wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:38 pm TF thought calling dalai lama will make him famous, but it back fired I guess lol

just received this whats app message.

most probably he made fool out of himself.

The picture demonstrates the trust and friendship between the men. Most people found it heart warming. MS supporters are bound to see something different. I get it. It is difficult for them to go high.

momeenbhai wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:38 pm TF thought calling dalai lama will make him famous, but it back fired I guess lol

just received this whats app message.

most probably he made fool out of himself.

FYI - Dalai lama has previously met a number of individuals in this manner. Just google on "dalai lama pulling beard" and see the results yourself. Attached is the images I saw (google search snapshot). As you can see I also see Baba Ramdev whom MS has hugged before.

byculla wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2017 7:10 am

momeenbhai wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 12:38 pm TF thought calling dalai lama will make him famous, but it back fired I guess lol

just received this whats app message.

most probably he made fool out of himself.

FYI - Dalai lama has previously met a number of individuals in this manner. Just google on "dalai lama pulling beard" and see the results yourself. Attached is the images I saw (google search snapshot). As you can see I also see Baba Ramdev whom MS has hugged before.

Our momeenbhai is so wrapped up in hate that he can’t see beyond his nose. The Dalai Lama And Syedna Fakhruddin seem to have hit it off and I think it will be the start of a great friendship. Some people just can’t bear to see positive emotions and want to ruin things with their negativity.

Baba ramdev is a thug.....any ways thank you for clarification

momeenbhai wrote: Sat Dec 30, 2017 10:22 am Baba ramdev is a thug.....any ways thank you for clarification

Agreed. Baba Ramdev is a thug and his extreme hindu nationalist sentiments are divisive and hate filled. I believe HHDL's philosophy is that love brings about great transformations. He approaches all with genuine love.
Having said that, similarities between his encounter with Baba Ramdev and Syedna Fakhruddin ends at the beard touching. From the many photos shared on HHDL website, the camaraderie between STF and HHDL is just heart warming. The world needs this sort of positive emotion right now.

This was in the national edition of Times of India
This too appeared on the same day elsewhere:

ajamali wrote: Sun Dec 31, 2017 9:20 am This was in the national edition of Times of India

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This too appeared on the same day elsewhere:

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Hah!! That’s quite a comparison AJ.

DL is a character...he also makes women blush. But regardless he is a sought after audience by statemen and the famous.

For STF this was a big score at global level.

Sadly SMS will try something to equal. But after FGM and poti war guests will be cautious. The President of Central African republic or Sultan of Brunei may be an option

Crater Lake wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:24 am

ajamali wrote: Fri Dec 29, 2017 10:06 am I have been to a few weddings lately and the people abstaining from the alcohol served were STF followers. MS followers happily imbibed

Thanks for making this point AJ. This has been my observation at weddings hosted by MS followers...Even people who acted goody two shoes at the masjid, now dared to drink in my presence as I was not in a position to judge them at the masjid...It is a sad statement on people who are with MS fo social reasons only....People who have sacrificed much for their faith, such as STF followers, obviously value the tenets of their faith..

STF has not sacrificed a single tenet of Shariah. Empowering a woman to choose (or not chhose) khafz in adulthood is well in line with Shariah guidance of adhering to a sunnah after the age of seven.

In fact, Burhanuddin Moula always celebrated the weddings of his sons with great pomp. If rich people did not get to celebrate and enjoy their money - within the limits of shariah - while fulfilling their obligations to others, there would be no motivation for people to prosper. This is the classic capitalism vs. socialism debate. As a community of traders, we should choose Capitalism!

How did Burhanuddin go about FGM? Was done done on girls at 7? He he stop it? I read Asghar Engineed had brought up the issue to ban it in the 1980s.

From the Qutbi Bohra Blog:

The Illusion of Truth - The Lies Repeat
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2018/03 ... epeat.html

Saif53 bhai,

So why don't you give your version of the court case?

Bhai dcp you saw me ask a couple of questions to some FD brothers. Answering them was far they started name calling rather running from one thread to another.
The simple conclusion to the court case is, if they cannot answer simple questions to a mumin, winning in courts is far from the truth.

HJK wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:55 am Bhai dcp you saw me ask a couple of questions to some FD brothers. Answering them was far they started name calling rather running from one thread to another.
The simple conclusion to the court case is, if they cannot answer simple questions to a mumin, winning in courts is far from the truth.

I saw your questions being answered several times. You just did not like the answers you got. There is a big difference. You are a faker. You came on this forum under false pretense. You are the ilk of Fake53, contorting facts and texts to suit your narrative. Coming here pretending you were inclined towards FD. You have still not answered the questions that FD people have asked time and again. Why it was so important to you to insist that no sajda was done when they have clearly admitted in court that they did sajda? What does a sajda signify to you? Why would Burhanuddin Moula allow his presumable “hamshaan” to do sajda to someone else? Would he really do nass on someone who was not his hamshaan? Why would he hide his “nass” from his mansoos for 40 long years and go around telling Others about it but not his mansoos himself?!! Did he trust others more than his mansoos? Does the 1388 nass pass the smell test for you? It’s a joke to anyone who has spent even 5 minutes thinking about it.

The name calling was more intense on your end. I did not see anyone from FD use words like bobra or gobra although they could easily have called Muffy the dhobra father of a b-b-b-bobra son. Just giving you a taste of the shit you spew.

ajamali wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:34 am

HJK wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:55 am Bhai dcp you saw me ask a couple of questions to some FD brothers. Answering them was far they started name calling rather running from one thread to another.
The simple conclusion to the court case is, if they cannot answer simple questions to a mumin, winning in courts is far from the truth.

I saw your questions being answered several times. You just did not like the answers you got. There is a big difference. You are a faker. You came on this forum under false pretense. You are the ilk of Fake53, contorting facts and texts to suit your narrative. Coming here pretending you were inclined towards FD. You have still not answered the questions that FD people have asked time and again. Why it was so important to you to insist that no sajda was done when they have clearly admitted in court that they did sajda? What does a sajda signify to you? Why would Burhanuddin Moula allow his presumable “hamshaan” to do sajda to someone else? Would he really do nass on someone who was not his hamshaan? Why would he hide his “nass” from his mansoos for 40 long years and go around telling Others about it but not his mansoos himself?!! Did he trust others more than his mansoos? Does the 1388 nass pass the smell test for you? It’s a joke to anyone who has spent even 5 minutes thinking about it.

The name calling was more intense on your end. I did not see anyone from FD use words like bobra or gobra although they could easily have called Muffy the dhobra father of a b-b-b-bobra son. Just giving you a taste of the shit you spew.

Answers where if you could re quote them please!!

Me inclined or not is not important, what is rather important is if you can atleast answer the most common questions. You claim to have answered all but i can see none.

Where is the sajda in the video? When has anybody accepted that there was sajda. It has not been accepted even in the courts. Kindly get the proof for what you say. What you guys have been providing yet is

Nass in skq - no proof
Nass on stf - no proof
Sajda for skq - no proof
Skq was attacked twice - no police complaints not even araz to Burhanuddin Maula / no proof
Nass can be done in private - translations of poonawala / no proof.
And the list goes on and on.


Burhanuddin Maula r a never allowed the sajda. Where is the proof again.

Why would he hide his nass from the mansoos, syedna taher saifuddin was informed later, also did you ask stf why he was informed later & not directly.

About 1388 you can wait and watch for the forensic in the court. Let the courts do the work, you dont get into smelling and be a sniffer.

You know what a joke is or rather suspicious is

The mistake in the nass letter to stf
Only 2 women witnesses
Skqs sudden death
His wishes in ththe burial
So on and so forth.

You would probably have to go through the previous posts and see when have i ever called names. Also about MS s son, when he recites Quran, he wins everyone and everything.

ajamali wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 9:34 am

HJK wrote: Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:55 am Bhai dcp you saw me ask a couple of questions to some FD brothers. Answering them was far they started name calling rather running from one thread to another.
The simple conclusion to the court case is, if they cannot answer simple questions to a mumin, winning in courts is far from the truth.

I saw your questions being answered several times. You just did not like the answers you got. There is a big difference. You are a faker. You came on this forum under false pretense. You are the ilk of Fake53, contorting facts and texts to suit your narrative. Coming here pretending you were inclined towards FD. You have still not answered the questions that FD people have asked time and again. Why it was so important to you to insist that no sajda was done when they have clearly admitted in court that they did sajda? What does a sajda signify to you? Why would Burhanuddin Moula allow his presumable “hamshaan” to do sajda to someone else? Would he really do nass on someone who was not his hamshaan? Why would he hide his “nass” from his mansoos for 40 long years and go around telling Others about it but not his mansoos himself?!! Did he trust others more than his mansoos? Does the 1388 nass pass the smell test for you? It’s a joke to anyone who has spent even 5 minutes thinking about it.

The name calling was more intense on your end. I did not see anyone from FD use words like bobra or gobra although they could easily have called Muffy the dhobra father of a b-b-b-bobra son. Just giving you a taste of the shit you spew.

The above highlighted is not fair or accurate, bhai ajamali. HJK is one of the few people on this forum who actually gave out his name and identity. At least respect that.

I do not agree with you, bhai HJK, on many of the things, but we can engage in civil discussions. I will try to reply sometime with my thoughts on some of your questions.