Dawoodi Bohra Forum

It is learnt that Muffy is planning his first Umra trip after becoming 53rd Dai in month of Rajab 1435H. Bohras residing in Saudi Arabia who already paid fakhir najwa and three envolops in each day of Chehlum majalis will be stripped to huge amounts again. There are efforts to get some sort of VIP treatment as a state guest but it seems impossible due to previous activities of Bohras in Saudi Arabia. Most of the mumineen are disappointed by this bushra as they know again they will be slaughtered for money. They are keep on paying and paying since muffy became dai and earlier when he was Mansoos.
It seems this time too Muffy would keep low profile to outer world while visiting Saudi Arabia like his previous visit with his father and 52nd Dai Syedna Burhanuddin. Syedna sahib was allowed to enter Saudi Arabia for Umra in month of Safar few years back due to special consideration of his health. That time there was no welcome at airport and during Umra and Tawaf too no one allowed to chant Maula.. Maula.
If Muffy dare to do any unislamic activity in Saudi Arabia, he would too face ban like his father for a long time.

Brother Hussain KSA do us a favor since you stay in KSA, go to whatever venue it is and record whatever you see or hear, and report it to the respective agencies or governement if possible, JUST FED UP WITH ALL THIS DRAMA, IT IS GETTING OUT OF HAND, WE NEED TO STOP THESE BIDAATIS ONCE AND FOR ALL, once they get banned for a long time, you people would be able to breathe easy, here in Dubai and Abu Dhabi the jamaat has got screwed royally by the royals. Awqaf comittee (Waqaf board of U.A.E) has monitored and invigilated most of their activities, they took away bunch of hard disks and reports of money transfers, they have been caught with doing Hawala (Money Laundering). Kinana BS flies frequently, he wears a mask in front of the crowd he attends, but in inner circle he is a Conman as others, he has siphoned a lot of money during Ashara and all this time he has been with the Jamaat due to help of few stooges in Jamaat,
Dubai and the whole (U.A.E) is a plush market and uptown place for these Aamils, whoever comes here guaranteed makes a lot of money and leaves the country happily.
" HERE WAJEBAAT IS EXORBITANT, SABIL IS EXORBITANT, SALAAMS ARE DONE FREQUENTLY AND THE STOOGES HELP CREATE THE AURA FOR DOING THIS, RAMADAN EVERYDAY SALAAM, KINNANA LIVES LUXURIOUSLY, FLIES FREQUENTLY (LETS SAYS 15 20 TRIPS A MONTH, HIS WIFE LIVES LIKE A QUEEN, HE HAS 9 KIDS ALL HAVE SPECIAL ATTENTION, HIS BROTHER IS NEARBY FOLLOWING HIS FOOTSTEPS IN SHARJAH, HIS DAD CONTROLS SURAT, HIS MOM IS SISTER OF ZOHRA BHENSAAB (AISAHEBA) MUFFYS WIFEY, BIG SUPPORTERS OF YN THEORIES AND IDEOLOGIES, HAVE ALWAYS BELIEVED IN ZAHIR BAITN CONCEPT!

I was told that when Mufaddalbhaisaheb went to hajj last year there was an investigation by the Saudi Police, and he had to shut down shop (qadambosi bethak) for a few hours. Too many people were flocking near the streets and lining up for qadambosi. Little did the hajis know at the time that they stood no chance for qadambosi at all, because in the name of qadambosi, they were recruiting people for ziyafats. . . And showing them how to get ahead in line.

Salmaan bs, YN Sons masterfully create the setting (encouraging maula idol worshipping) and then attmept to create an heirarchy in terms of "najwa" so that they could jump in and fix it. The delusional and manipulative system serves them well to keep their sense of sel-importance and privilege alive and well. Then they say "Mumineen Ni mohabbat no josh koi rokie nathi saktu".

Unfortunately, my friends who were at hajj and who related this entire story opted to do fakhir Rakam najwas and multiple ziyafats to SMS and his goons, saying "sometimes we just have to Turn a blind eye and pay our way becaue we just want an audience with our maula". He even boasted that this is his only desired reward, nothing about the hereafter, sawaab, etc. it was all about gaining privilege and status, and, more importantly a title. This was his line of thinking, and that's exactly how it was related to me.
It made me sick hearing this. And now am reminded of his story with SMS planning Umrah!

Dawoodi Bohra Chief of Satan staff in Saudi Arabia is Shaikh Baqir Joher of Pakistan. He is responsible to arrange so called royal trip. Mufaddal stay at his residence in Jeddah, located in a posh area of diplomatic Ave. They are planning Sajdah of Mufaddal Saifuddin in Jannat ul Baqee, for which they have started huge collection by force from salary paid community members, in Saudi Arabia.
Efforts are started to contact Saudi elite class as they wanted to arrange meeting with them in the garb of party, so to show worldwide foolish Bohra to see his Nirali Shaan.
Nooruddin Aamil of Karachi uttered in his Haqiqat Sabaq:
" Jiware Dai Hajr Aswad Ney Kiss Kare Chey Tiyare Hajr Aswad Khwaish Kare Chey Ke Dai Na Qadam Ma Giri Ne Qadambos Thae."
This sacrilegious statement of Manhus and Maloon Nooruddin Aamil Karachi is enough to cut his and his students of Haqiq's heads. This statement was reviled by my cousin who is getting Sabaq in Karachi, visited Mumbai these days for Ziarat of SMB. In fact, Bohra Haqiq is bunch of Shirk.

This is what happens during MS's bayaans!

I have no idea as to why the Kothar thinks that the momineen should finance all his travels?? momineen of KSA didn't ask him to come for Umra, similarly prior to when he goes to any town the Aayaan are forced to go in a delegation to Saify Mahal to invite him, this way they can force the jamaat to bear all his expenses as he is a guest of theirs, not only his expenses but all the qafila and hangers on that travel with him.

When Pope travels, all his expenses are borne by the Archdiocese, whose income is from the people's donations over the years, but people are not badgered with unit of $$$$ for collection at the time of his arrival. I think the Dai should spend his own money for his own purposes and not be a burden on the people all the time, spend some of that money that is being hoarded in Saify Mahal or in Swiss bank accounts.

Alambhai,
If truth is relative and each of us is free to our interpretations, then there will be chaos in the society. Every rapist, murderer, exploiter will have his version of the "truth", which by your logic will have to be accepted and condoned.
By the same logic, the exploitation of Kothar is right, the insults by them are okay, the killing by Modi is correct, Yazeed and Shimar as as right as Imam Husain.
Truth is not contextual. There are absolute standards of truth. We may in all modesty claim that we don't know it. Not all interpretations are equally valid. Moral relativity is not an acceptable proposition.

Kaka Akela
Archdioceses also run many charities,. Catholic Charities do run many hospitals and Nursing homes and they do provide help to everyone regardless of their religious affiliations too.
Kothari Goons have copied many of things from Catholic Church like Ayashi, pomp and ceremony,( Now Muffi BS also has care like Pope Mobile)and political corruption,
The difference while Pope Francis is turning away from Pomp and helping with common man, Muffi is turning into Pharaoh like lifestyle

Why does muffi even bother going to KSA. He should just paint raudat tahera black. This way he can do haj locally, private and look at the bright side. He can take all the crores from brain dead abdes and make them do hajje haqiqi locally without travel. Even though everyone will have to pay.

trvoice wrote:Why does muffi even bother going to KSA. He should just paint raudat tahera black. This way he can do haj locally, private and look at the bright side. He can take all the crores from brain dead abdes and make them do hajje haqiqi locally without travel. Even though everyone will have to pay.

Well said trvoice bhai! He has been known to say (albeit stupid like all other statements) that if one circumambulates around the two kabars in Raudat Tahera it's like having done Hajj!

The Sabaks which are done for Hajis and people who plan to go for Umrah are replete with sentences which are pure shirk or wrong on so many levels. just consider this.

1) Kaba was built so that Ali can be born there. Only purpose of kaba was birth of Ali at that place.
2) All ambiya circumbulated Kaba anticipating the birth of Ali.
3) When you enter Haram and see kaba do Dua that very soon you see the Haqeeqi Kaba that is SMS.
4) Every second you should do dua for long life of SMS.
5) if you dont remember duas in Haram read salavat on SMS or just do tasbeeh of SMS.

Shirk and delusions is the disease that has befallen the shehzadas, spread and indoctrinated into the psyches of the ustaads, jameaa graduates, aamils, and the rest ofthe masses.

Malekul ashtar started sharing his aikido via his bayaans and his staff, then spreading it throughout North America and wherever he travelled:

• SMB is = to imam

• Then, SMB is greater than imam

• Relying stories of Isaa nabi, equating SMB to Isaa Nabi, then

• In a far fetched way, claiming SMB shaan as Greater than Isaa Nabi

It seems there is or was a competition of how can we praise SMB and show our love for him better than any other Shehzada or bayaan an Saheb. It became a drug, intoxicating them from idealization to idolatry.

I do hope that something somewhere for soneone starts penetrating their minds, and they start re-examining themselves and their attitudes.

Check out the videos on this link..

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL ... vzkEgJnbLn

Each one is Oscar worthy..

asad wrote:The Sabaks which are done for Hajis and people who plan to go for Umrah are replete with sentences which are pure shirk or wrong on so many levels. just consider this.

1) Kaba was built so that Ali can be born there. Only purpose of kaba was birth of Ali at that place.
2) All ambiya circumbulated Kaba anticipating the birth of Ali.
3) When you enter Haram and see kaba do Dua that very soon you see the Haqeeqi Kaba that is SMS.
4) Every second you should do dua for long life of SMS.
5) if you dont remember duas in Haram read salavat on SMS or just do tasbeeh of SMS.

Following was preached in one of the majlis in Kuwait.

SMB is the haqeeqi Kaba ( spiritual) meant for the soul, and the Kaba at mecca is the Zaahiri kabaa ( physical) meant for the body to perform the ritual of circumambulations and other prayers. It is important to keep the haqeeqi kaba in mind while performing hajj as it would make the ritual complete.

Another important advise to ensure that one can remain faithful is to obey every advise/call/instruction of the SMB or haq na saheb. Be it about habits / payments / decisions / way of life etc to ensure that hajj /umra are accepted in court of allah.

Another fantastic explanation was, This concept of Haqeeqi kaba exists only in bohras, because it is the bohras who are the chosen ones to enter heaven. Others ( Ola Musalmaano) are just performing the physical ritual without any spiritual recognition.

Smart wrote:Alambhai,
If truth is relative and each of us is free to our interpretations, then there will be chaos in the society. Every rapist, murderer, exploiter will have his version of the "truth", which by your logic will have to be accepted and condoned.
By the same logic, the exploitation of Kothar is right, the insults by them are okay, the killing by Modi is correct, Yazeed and Shimar as as right as Imam Husain.
Truth is not contextual. There are absolute standards of truth. We may in all modesty claim that we don't know it. Not all interpretations are equally valid. Moral relativity is not an acceptable proposition.

Smart,
In my understanding : Truth is always absolute. May be its a particle or the whole. Due to human capability, Interpretations and context can be defined and anyone can justify and being righteous on their belief. Yes anything can be proved based on interpretation of truth. Thats where one has to take responsibility and use his/her AQL, knowledge and strive to identify the HAQQ.

Smart wrote:Alambhai,
If truth is relative and each of us is free to our interpretations, then there will be chaos in the society. Every rapist, murderer, exploiter will have his version of the "truth", which by your logic will have to be accepted and condoned.
By the same logic, the exploitation of Kothar is right, the insults by them are okay, the killing by Modi is correct, Yazeed and Shimar as as right as Imam Husain.
Truth is not contextual. There are absolute standards of truth. We may in all modesty claim that we don't know it. Not all interpretations are equally valid. Moral relativity is not an acceptable proposition.

Nope - none of the evils you describe is excused by the argument. On the contrary, The examples you provide make this easy to understand how easily "human beings" in interpreting "truth"', bring in their own unique histories to bear on it. So they may excuse their own evil deeds by claiming their word as the "truth". That's exactly the point I'm making - that the argument of "truth" is invoked As if it's absolute, when in fact it's based on their own interpretations, perspectives, agendas, etc.

Truth is Truth. Haqq is Haqq. It's when we (as humans) wrap words around it to understand it, explain it, use it to justify, that it's then Contextual.

You realize we are getting into philosophical debate on Truth, Knowing, and Semantics, if we keep this up!

Scam artist oops Mojeezah na sahib:

When the Muffy & his clan came to town they had the tasbeeh and we had the money. They said 'Let us pray.' We closed our eyes. When we opened them, we had the tasbeeh and they had the money.

^ you were lucky, you still had your chaddis on your body, in few towns they rob them including chaddis.

15 days no prpgrame che surat ma
Aena pachi taj poshi no programe in surat
30th may 2014 friday zikra confirmed in surat
Salaams Moula TUS....
Arriving Mumbai on Thursday Evening. 20/03/2014.
23 mie Jamnagar..... then
Ahmedabad..... then
Mandvi on Syedna Taher Saifuddin Urs Takht Nashi and

In Surat Takht nashi Programs...

Is he trying to abscond the court cases against him!

I have lost count on muffy's stupid actions.

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Is he trying to abscond the court cases against him!

Whats there to abscond....he is openly travelling all over.

Accha abscond se yaad aaya....wasnt KQ absconding for most of his life in America...far away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA

Sequence wrote:I have lost count on muffy's stupid actions.

And I have lost count of your stupid ids

true_bohra wrote:

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Is he trying to abscond the court cases against him!

Whats there to abscond....he is openly travelling all over.

why is he travelling all over on poor momeenin expenses?

what do community achive from these travelling bills?

how does dance in yemen helps poor momeenin in Ahmedabad and other cities?

hundreds of momeenin dont have bread and proper bed in house, while muffy is dancing and collecting coconuts, for what?

Ok so you believe Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin is not doing anything for this people.

So tell me what KQ is doing for them???

By the way do you have count of your ids

true_bohra wrote:Ok so you believe Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin is not doing anything for this people.

So tell me what KQ is doing for them???

atleast he is not doing chimp dance in yemen, and collecting coconuts?

and YES I do belive MS has done nothing substantial so far, apart from silly mojiza propoganda and lanat businesses.


no I dont need to keep count of my IDS, I have employed worthless fellows like you to do that job

true_bohra wrote:

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:Is he trying to abscond the court cases against him!

Whats there to abscond....he is openly travelling all over.

Accha abscond se yaad aaya....wasnt KQ absconding for most of his life in America...far away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA

what happened after all the lanat baazi was he not absconding from what he did and did the silly announcement " AAO GALE LAGAWI LAO MAMLOOK CHE"

Akhtiar Wahid wrote:

true_bohra wrote: Whats there to abscond....he is openly travelling all over.

Accha abscond se yaad aaya....wasnt KQ absconding for most of his life in America...far away from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA

what happened after all the lanat baazi was he not absconding from what he did and did the silly announcement " AAO GALE LAGAWI LAO MAMLOOK CHE"

So what do you want that he should have stood there since his announcement and wait for KQ. Grow up bro!!! You really call this as absconding or absconding means turning away from the janaza of Dai al Mutlaq and sitting in a Darus Saqifah and planning fitnah in community.

And you should really learn some gujrati or dawat ni zaban. Ohh i forgot that there is a class for that in fatemidawat.com. get yourself enrolled there or who knows seats get full.

Bro true_bohra,

Please don't raise issues which have already been discussed exhaustively on this thread a number of times, all the points raised by you were already discussed hence please come out with some new arguments if you have any !