Gunmen in Pakistan kill 43 in attack on bus carrying religious minority

[araz5253]

all of the above points are conjectures. Ismailis who follow Isailism do not belong to Islam by scholarly consesnsus and what charitable activities they might be doing is irrelevant , even Jews do a lot of charity and have an apparently "peaceful" appearence.

Can you please tell me what scholarly consensus you are talking about? The ones who have taken away Allah SWT's right to Judge people, or the Ulema who says:
https://ismailimail.wordpress.com/2015/ ... -on-islam/

Please write to the Ulema above and tell them that charitable activities the Ismailis are doing are irrelevant and while you are at it, please ask them to re-write the Qur'an in which Allah SWT stresses the importance of charity again and again.

Acccording to you, Muslims do not do charities????? "Jews do a lot of charity and have an apparent peaceful appearance?????? Do you know what you are saying. I think you are saying Muslims do not do charity and they are violent?????

Please go to African countries, Afghanistan, Middle East, Pakistan, India, Tajikistan, etc. and ask them "if our charities are irrelevant and our peaceful attitude is irrelevant? Would they prefer Talibans, ISIS, etc. instead.?"

And do you think brother Edhi, who is single handedly taking care of orphans and other human beings, and is peaceful, that his charity is not important?

Are you saying people who do charity are not important?

Allah decides the rules and the implementation is fard on mankind , infact those who dont judge by what ALLAH has revealed are kafir, being non judgemental is zen philosophy. Allah himself commands us to judge , only the khawarij invented this false rhetoric that "ALLAH IS JUDGE SO HUMANS SHOULD NOT JUDGE" IF that is the case then why the need for shariah? Qazis?.


regarding charity then charity by Mushrikeen is virtually useless and unprofitable for them and they will get all rewards for it in this world only,nothing in the eternal life for a single crime of being a Mushrik. Ismailis ,Jews etc may do a lot of charity to show to the world but that will help them only in this world. INSTEAD of giving charity first they should give themselves charity by learning Islam and following it like how prophet pbuh followed, only then the charity would be useful for you.

[qutub_mamajiwala]

Actually fighting oppression is a command of Allah. But i dont think Allah counts on you people to fight in his sake. You guys will be too busy changing into bikinis because the government said so.

actually i thought fighting opression means to fight autorcratic rulers of so called muslim countries who opress the people in the name of religion, are well documented as rapist and mysogonist.
now i know that actually it is to fight democratically elected institutions for wearing hijab which basically is a personal choice

[araz5253]

Actually fighting oppression is a command of Allah. But i dont think Allah counts on you people to fight in his sake. You guys will be too busy changing into bikinis because the government said so.

actually i thought fighting opression means to fight autorcratic rulers of so called muslim countries who opress the people in the name of religion, are well documented as rapist and mysogonist.
now i know that actually it is to fight democratically elected institutions for wearing hijab which basically is a personal choice

Quran defines the biggest opression is shirk like worshipping humans , idols, saints or prophets

[KA786110]

Get your heads out of Saudi desert sand before the time ends for you. You and your ilk are the ones committing shirk by trying to become lords of the judgement. Use your God given brain and learn the true meaning of being a Muslim. Wake up!!!.

The God in which we the Muslims believe is Rahman and Rahim. And our Prophet (pbuh) is the mercy for the world. But you and your ilk are simply evil destroyers and bane of humanity. You have not only abandoned the teachings of Islam but have become despicable minions of the devil.

[humanbeing]

Quran defines the biggest opression is shirk like worshipping humans , idols, saints or prophets

cool down, under the guise of idol worship and stuff, wahabi extremist have bulldozed precious historical monuments and sites, which could be preserved and promoted for Islam. they are continuing to wipe off memories of the islamic era. after bulldozing historical sites what do we see, tall commercial towers.

[araz5253]

KALI78:
Allah decides the rules and the implementation is fard on mankind , infact those who dont judge by what ALLAH has revealed are kafir, being non judgemental is zen philosophy. Allah himself commands us to judge , only the khawarij invented this false rhetoric that "ALLAH IS JUDGE SO HUMANS SHOULD NOT JUDGE" IF that is the case then why the need for shariah? Qazis?.


regarding charity then charity by Mushrikeen is virtually useless and unprofitable for them and they will get all rewards for it in this world only,nothing in the eternal life for a single crime of being a Mushrik. Ismailis ,Jews etc may do a lot of charity to show to the world but that will help them only in this world. INSTEAD of giving charity first they should give themselves charity by learning Islam and following it like how prophet pbuh followed, only then the charity would be useful for you.

[KA786110]

Let me repeat again:

Get your heads out of Saudi desert sand before the time ends for you. You and your ilk are the ones committing shirk by trying to become lords of the judgement. Use your God given brain and learn the true meaning of being a Muslim. Wake up!!!.

The God in which we the Muslims believe is Rahman and Rahim. And our Prophet (pbuh) is the mercy for the world. But you and your ilk are simply evil destroyers and bane of humanity. You have not only abandoned the teachings of Islam but have become despicable minions of the devil.

Stop and think do not keep re-regurgitating your wahhabi extremist talking points. They are simply wrong. Judges are for civil disputes of property and lives not ones IMAAN/Faith. And do not even get me started on your mostly made up shariah and sunnah.

[anajmi]

actually i thought fighting opression means to fight autorcratic rulers of so called muslim countries who opress the people in the name of religion, are well documented as rapist and mysogonist.
now i know that actually it is to fight democratically elected institutions for wearing hijab which basically is a personal choice

Wearing hijab is not a personal choice just like wearing a bikini to school is not a personal choice. Wearing hijab is a command of Allah. And hijab is a dress which goes over and above any dress code that any institution anywhere in the world has. Hijab satisfies that dress code and it goes above and beyond. According to you, a bikini satisfies the modesty code of the Quran. But when you were asked if you were willing to send your daughter to school or wife outside in a bikini, you were terrified of answering. Why? Because a bikini does not satisfy the school or the society dress code. You think the dress code of a school or society is better than that of the Quran? No.

So if a country tries to ban a superior dress code for something that is inferior, those who believe in Allah and his command are bound to take objection.

Now taking a leaf from your "gud deeds", the muslim rulers who are oppressing people are doing "gud deeds" by providing oil to the world. So an oppressor doing "gud deeds" is better than a moron wasting time doing nothing!!

[KA786110]

LOL. Delusional wahhabi extremist logic (maybe an oxymoron).

KALI78:
INSTEAD of giving charity first they should give themselves charity by learning Islam and following it like how prophet pbuh followed, only then the charity would be useful for you.

Yes most Muslims (Ismailis included) are following that but you and your ilk are not.

So then blowing up people in mosques, churches, schools, trains, buses, cars is part of your wahhabi faith and has precedence in your made up sunnah.

[KA786110]

Now taking a leaf from your "gud deeds", the muslim rulers who are oppressing people are doing "gud deeds" by providing oil to the world. So an oppressor doing "gud deeds" is better than a moron wasting time doing nothing!!

Yet another example twisted extremist logic. Are they freely giving 'oil' to the world? With the ill-gotten oil money they are spreading violence all over the world. Remember the standing and respect of Holy Prophet (pbuh) before you and ilk showed up on world stage and usurped the narrative of Islam!!!

[anajmi]

A made up sunnah is the same as a made up Imam. We can go around in these circles forever. The Quran says, if you have an issue go back to the Allah and his prophet (saw). If a sunnah is against the Quran, it has to be rejected. If an Imam is against the Quran, then the Imam has to be rejected. Plain and simple.

Yet another example twisted extremist logic.

That was the purpose of the post. Thanks for pointing it out!!

[KA786110]

LOL. You make it so easy with your very low and false comprehension of Islam and God's message.

But quote the complete thought: (Don't be a coward and try to push the counterpoint under the rug)

Are they freely giving 'oil' to the world? With the ill-gotten oil money they are spreading violence all over the world. Remember the standing and respect of Holy Prophet (pbuh) before you and ilk showed up on world stage and usurped the narrative of Islam!!!

[anajmi]

I will answer the question as soon as you answer one of mine. If you see a women in a bikini walking down the road, do you think that she is most probably going to the homeless shelter to serve the homeless?

[KA786110]

Thanks for conceding. You and your childish behavior.

Adios!!!

[anajmi]

Did you just act like a coward and run? It was a simple enough question? No? How about I act as the more magnanimous fellow and answer your question first? Will you then answer mine truthfully?

Ok. Here goes - You are right. They don't give oil free to the world and they are the cause of most of the problems on earth. Their massive buildings are a sign of their impending doom.

There. Your turn!!

[KA786110]

Finally an answer to a question from you!!!
Ask a relevant question worthy of an answer and you will receive an answer.

[anajmi]

Well, i knew you cannot answer. Actually if you had attempted to answer, it would have shown that you had spine. But we know you dont. It is quite easy to unmask faulty aqidah.

[KA786110]

You are so funny. You seem to be living in a bubble with a very myopic view. Ask a relevant and non-childish question and you will receive an answer.

[anajmi]

Aw stop it you fool. The question is completely relevant to the discussion at hand. Let me repeat, the reason you cannot answer is because you and your pal mamaji are spineless cowards.

[KA786110]

As I said you are funny (and as irrelevant as a court jester). You have no idea of relevance. Maybe you can post your childish meaningless query in this thread:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=7432

Maybe then it will become somewhat relevant but still the query will remain childish and meaningless.

[anajmi]

Actually, the query proves the lack of spine amongst idol worshippers and their ignorance of the Quran. That is all it set out to prove and it did so with flying colors. Keep dancing fool.

[KA786110]

Place the query in the Hijab thread and I will answer it. Even though I still feel the query is childish but I will play along.

[anajmi]

Keep dancing.

[JavedhJuma]

Can you please tell me what scholarly consensus you are talking about? The ones who have taken away Allah SWT's right to Judge people, or the Ulema who says:
https://ismailimail.wordpress.com/2015/ ... -on-islam/

Please write to the Ulema above and tell them that charitable activities the Ismailis are doing are irrelevant and while you are at it, please ask them to re-write the Qur'an in which Allah SWT stresses the importance of charity again and again.

Acccording to you, Muslims do not do charities????? "Jews do a lot of charity and have an apparent peaceful appearance?????? Do you know what you are saying. I think you are saying Muslims do not do charity and they are violent?????

Please go to African countries, Afghanistan, Middle East, Pakistan, India, Tajikistan, etc. and ask them "if our charities are irrelevant and our peaceful attitude is irrelevant? Would they prefer Talibans, ISIS, etc. instead.?"

And do you think brother Edhi, who is single handedly taking care of orphans and other human beings, and is peaceful, that his charity is not important?

Are you saying people who do charity are not important?

Allah decides the rules and the implementation is fard on mankind , infact those who dont judge by what ALLAH has revealed are kafir, being non judgemental is zen philosophy. Allah himself commands us to judge , only the khawarij invented this false rhetoric that "ALLAH IS JUDGE SO HUMANS SHOULD NOT JUDGE" IF that is the case then why the need for shariah? Qazis?.


regarding charity then charity by Mushrikeen is virtually useless and unprofitable for them and they will get all rewards for it in this world only,nothing in the eternal life for a single crime of being a Mushrik. Ismailis ,Jews etc may do a lot of charity to show to the world but that will help them only in this world. INSTEAD of giving charity first they should give themselves charity by learning Islam and following it like how prophet pbuh followed, only then the charity would be useful for you.

You are beyond reach. Pity you. I am glad we are not part of you, if that is your interpretation. Please find suras to support your argument. Nevr mind. Save yourself the trouble.

[KA786110]

Keep dancing.

Ah, not playing anymore. My offer still stands.

[araz5253]

Nobody has the right to Legislate besides Allah the Almighty, AND it is FARD FOR mankind to JUDGE BASED ON THIS LEGISLATION Allah says: {“And whoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed – then it is those who are the disbelievers.”} [5:44]


And Allah the Almighty says: {“..and He shares not His legislation with anyone.”} [18:26]

[KA786110]

Very pitiful. Take your heads out of Saudi Desert Sand. Allah has not given anyone right to kill human beings just because they have different interpretation then yours. You and your ilk are doomed. You are the ones who are legislating incorrectly and usurping Allah's rights. That makes you and your ilk truly mushriks.

[araz5253]

Very pitiful. Take your heads out of Saudi Desert Sand. Allah has not given anyone right to kill human beings just because they have different interpretation then yours. You and your ilk are doomed. You are the ones who are legislating incorrectly and usurping Allah's rights. That makes you and your ilk truly mushriks.

Do you have anything more then barking around like a rabid dog? We were former shias specially bohras , Ismailis and isnasharis who changed to what you may call as wahhabis by due research and contemplation , what you do apart from shouting here and there ? are your replies evidence based?? No , even QURAN tells bring your proofs if you are truthfull, those whose hearts have a rabid disease talk in metaphors and false rhetorics to decieve the opposite party using fanciful terminologies like "humanity". "pluralism" etc , but do know Islam defines humanity etc and not vice versa.


regarding killing :
Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, 5:33


Your aga khan has spread corruption , declared war on Allah and his messenger by starting and promoting usury in form of DCB bank. The evils of your taghoot lanati aga khan are endless to list here. Whatever false show of charity he does is only for this world for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment like how Taher, Burhanuddin will recieve the same for their misdeeds in religion

[KA786110]

Dear, you are the one now barking and taking Quranic Ayats out of context and applying them to justify inhumane acts of your ilk. If you were truly shia before then your understanding of Islam would have been different. But to me your defense of these dastardly acts of killing innocent people shows that your understanding has simply regressed. Quoting Quranic ayats will not make your false interpretations correct. Islam is not the barbaric religion which you guys have turned it into.

Please read the life history the Holy Prophet(pbuh) and try to understand the true message of Islam. It is not that of violence, hatred and intolerance.

[topiwala]

Dear, you are the one now barking and taking Quranic Ayats out of context and applying them to justify inhumane acts of your ilk. If you were truly shia before then your understanding of Islam would have been different. But to me your defense of these dastardly acts of killing innocent people shows that your understanding has simply regressed. Quoting Quranic ayats will not make your false interpretations correct. Islam is not the barbaric religion which you guys have turned it into.

Please read the life history the Holy Prophet(pbuh) and try to understand the true message of Islam. It is not that of violence, hatred and intolerance.

lol i just quoted Quran and you jumped, if you allow me to quote life history of prophet pbuh you will begin to writhe.

To get started tell me why the prophet pbuh massaccred jews in Khaybar ? Men were killed and their women were taken as slaves. why? ok I know they broke some treaty , so does your modern "humanity" "psycobabble" come to rescue here? Hazrat safya RA was the wife of a notable Jewish chief massacred in khyber , she watched this with her own eyes.
Now tell me how would you justify this??
Also i never condoned killing innocent people. Please dont put your words in my mouth.