A golden opportunity lost – Part One

[mature]

how does one get ill after killing a lion please tell me,because tommorow i might sick after killing and murdering a poor defenceless mosquito,please progs save me and tell me

[mature]

about protection of wild animals tell are you a vegeterian or not, if not what do you eat how can you eat the animals you want protected.or cows do not classify as animals to you. this days science tells us that even plants have life so what will you do next practical

[tahir]

Originally posted by observer:
Let me do Al bIrd's argument: Show me where in the Koran is it stated that one cannot hunt.

This brings us to a very important issue. Is everything, that is not specifically and elaborately prohibited in Islam, a legitimate thing to do for a muslim? Aren't there certain issues left for conscience and personal discretion? Sometime back 'scared' talked about the importance of intention in Islam. I am interested to know if there is any ayah which could be interpreted as an advise/instruction to preserve the nature around unless there is a need to do otherwise.

For instance, vast stretches of forests are destroyed for constructing big dams. These dams are needed for economic development. Whether they proved more beneficial than destructive is a matter of debate but the intention behind them is noble. Similarly in India, the government has permitted to hunt certain species of deer and bison since their excess population stray out of the forests into the agricultural fields and inflict heavy losses to farmers. Personally I do not condone even that kind of hunting since only man is guilty for this. His stupid ego led him to believe that he is the most superior creature and a legitimate master of nature. He kept multiplying himself and now feels the need to encroach into the lands which belongs to animals. But lets stick within the realm of religion for now.

When the dai burhanuddin ventured into the Kenyan savannas after a lion, what actually was his intention? Was that lion (and a buffalo) his need OR wish. Being a spiritual head he is responsible for his people's conduct and must lead by example. Did he set a right example for others?

Here is another issue. Does Islam differentiate between need , wish and desire ? Does it allow even those desires which are at the cost of nature? Where does Islam put man in the scheme of things?

[anajmi]

The Prophet (peace be on him) said: If someone kills a sparrow for sport, the sparrow will cry out on the Day of Judgement, 'O Lord! That person killed me in vain! He did not kill me for any useful purpose.' (Reported by al-Nisai and by Ibn Hibban in his Sahih.)

Again, he said: Whoever kills a sparrow or anything bigger than that without a just cause, Allah will hold him accountable on the Day of Judgement. The listeners asked, O Messenger of Allah, what is a just cause? He replied, That he kill it to eat, not to simply chop off its head and then throw it away. (Reported by al-Nisai and al-Hakim who said that its transmission is sound.)

[anajmi]

The Prophet instructed the faithful that any
Muslim who plants a crop that feeds another person,
animal or bird, will receive a reward in paradise.
Cutting down trees is seen as an abomination.

How important is the planting of trees? In the
words of the Prophet: "When doomsday comes, if someone
has a palm shoot in his hands, he should plant it."

The prophet said: "Any trees a Muslim may plant, and any seeds he may cultivate from which man or animal, or any other creature, eats, count as an act of benefaction" - Narrated by Muslim following Jaber.

The prophet said: "Whoever cuts a tree (unnecessarily) will have his head thrown directly into Hell" - Narrated by Abu Dawood following Abdullah ibn Habashi

[S. Insaf]

Once the Prophet came for prayer with his long robe cut by sessors. People had seen him in simple cloths, cloths with patches. But today he was in a dress with a long cut in his robe. When asked he offered this explanation.
He said while he got from his sleep at prayer time he found a cat sleeping on his robe alongside. He did not like the poor animal in sleep so he said he took sessors and cut the portion of his robe on which cat was sleeping.
This is, I think, a limit of a person's kind nature. Not only towards human beings but also animals.

[accountability]

Tahir: to understand islam, you have to go through the historical biography of the religion. islam is unique in many ways. first it is very strict in obedience, it immediatley censors the mistakes, punishes one. there is no forgiveness for any mistake. penalties are so severe. Rehabilation is almost impossible. as after committing a sin or crime, the punishment will result in being exticnt or being incapicitated beyond worthiness. In hadith, Prophet PUB has said, " innamal aamala bin niyat" actions are judged on intention. that is the only relationship between action and intention. but once the committal has taken place, and is proven accordingly, there is little room left for intentions, like in catholicism or budhism. the consequences are determined, islam has no concept of rehabilation, so there is no jail, the justice is abnormally swift, the sinner or the accused do never have a chance to prove otherwise, in islamic jurispudence, the only time accused is involved in the trial is when Qazi the judge asks him for confession, if he does not, then the prosecutor has unlevel playing field, he can produce any witness, the credibility of the witness is solely determined by Qazi. from its very inception it was a demanding religion. it was in conformity with then prevelant traditions. Islam was very submissive in its early ages, it had to conform and make a place in its prevelant environment. it is said that in those days, being a girl was very unfortunate. but in the same time, there were several important women, who were even doing business, and were involved in variuos important activities. the state of women were not so bad in arabia then in any other part of the world. the important example is Hazrat Khadija, whom Prophet PUB married afterwards. during its evoloution, it became adaptable to the society. Prophet was 40 years old, when he first declared, the divine sermons, and decalred, that he is the chosen prophet of Allah. he revealed it to his wife first. she readily accepted it. next two years according to historian islam was finding its place in a pagan society. there is no evidence that Prophet PUB ever worshipped idols in kaaba. Kaaba was housing hundreds of idols, for various purposes, his grand father was the caretaker of the house of kaaba. there is little refrence in history about his grand father. assumptions has little place in islam. so there is little one can do to draw logically a conclusion.

[tahir]

Thank you people. The cat and the robe anecdote is the height of compassion. If the self proclaimed representative of prophet was even half educated about the attitude of prophet towards plants and animals, he would die of shame at the very thought of killing the big cats for sport (he would drown himself in his own 'phook nu pani'). That he actually went ahead and did the act speaks volumes about his sanity. It is a scary thought that he is not only roaming out freely but has a million people listening to his waaz and believing in him. May the big cat sit on his saaya when he is inside it.

[practical]

From Mature
“how does one get ill after killing a lion please tell me,because tommorow i might sick after killing and murdering a poor defenceless mosquito,please progs save me and tell meâ€

[S. Insaf]

A Golden Opportunity Lost- Part-2
Abdul Qadir Najmuddin (original name-Yusuf Najmuddin) became 47th Dai without ‘Nasse-Jali (Open and unambiguous declaration of successor) due to sudden and unexpected death due to poisoning of 46th Dai Sayedna Mohammad Badruddin Saheb. Sayedna Mohammad Badruddin Saheb died at a young age of 30 years. That time there were a great number of learned men in the community and they were in great consternation. The four of the most prominent scholars among them namely Shaikh Imaduddin Saheb, Sayedi Valiyullah Saheb, Sayedi Valibhai Saheb and Sayedi Abdullahbhai Fakhruddin met together and discussed the grave situation. They decided that “if the members of the community came to know that Nass has not been proclaimed on anyone it is bound to create chaos among them. Besides, performing the funeral rites of deceased Sayedna cannot be delayed. Therefore, as a temporary measure it was decided to nominate Najmuddin Saheb to act as Nazim i.e. charge de affaires, and look after the community’s affairs.â€