Ismali Faith as per Yasmin

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Also, I do not know how Allah is going to judge people, like a hindu who has been a good human all his life, will he go to hell, I do not know, however the people who will go to hell have been clearly described in the quran. Read and you will understand.

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<br>Yasmin<p>Are you allowed to drink Alcohol?<p><p>

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I appreciate boldness and openess of Yasmin, regardless what she believe and follows.

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Muslim First, If we are you allowed to drink Alcohol?<br>We are as I mentioned earlier a very sociable community. There are no hard and fast rules as such. It is prefered that one should not consume alcohol but then there are personal prefernces. There a lot of our people who consume alcohol. Most of the Indian night clubs in Toronto are kept afloat by the Ismailis. The Indian Night clubs business is not the sale of food, it so happens that the food is pretty cheap but they make a kill on the alcohol. It is sad but true. Places like Indian Raj, Laxmi and Chauhan in Toronto depend on Ismailis.<p>

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Now that Yasmin has answered the question in regarding alchohol, do you believe that Yasmin is NOT an Ismaili Muslim? Muslims of the Ismaili creed are prohibited to drink, smoke, take drugs, eat pork, etc. Whether a individual or a group of Ismailis, Bohras, Shias, Sunnis do so at their own will... however this does not reflect the teachings of their religion, it reflects their own self image... possibly out of ignorance.<p>There are plenty of so called "Muslims" (Bohras, Shias, Sunnis) in America who drink, smoke, take drugs, eat pork, etc. Does it make their religion bad? If you are clever enough, I am pretty sure you will be able to figure this out on your own.

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I understand tha not only are Muslims prohibited from consuming alcohol, they are also prohibited from trading in it.<p>But, as Gora points out, a large number of Muslims consume alcohol and trade in it against the the teachings of their religion.

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SAIDA<br>I have this question for you.<br>Aga khanis do not do wadhu and you claim to one one; so, why would you raise this question in their Forum?<p>Or, was it just to create Fitna?

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Hyprocrisy often runs rampant on board, and it is refreshing to hear Yasmin's posts. I have no clue who she is or her religious beliefs, and frankly I don't care.<p>Muslims that I know smoke, drink, eat non-Halal foods or drink alcoholic beverages; some claim to be Muslims, some not. Others follow the rules, but may lie cheat or steal. Most convenience stores in the city are owned by so-called muslims who also sell Bud Light and Fosters Lager. For all I know they may be on this board correctly labeled as a Wahabi.<p>Again, totally irrelevant to me. It doesn't matter which God they claim to be following, but rather do they live the life they preach ?<p>Point is, does anyone on this board ....?

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GodBless,<p>So that gives you an excuse to not follow what is right, just because those who preach it do not follow it. <p>Try raising that as an argument on the day of judgment and see what happens.<p>

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I follow what "I" think is right, which may or may not work for you. I respect that choice.<p>As you, I'll take my chances on judgement day.

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anajmi,<p>>Jews and Christians were said to be following the valid paths when the prophet was being revealed the quran, not today. Not after the quran was revealed and the religion of Islam perfected.<p>I'd like to see the verses which support this interpretation. I have never seen or heard anything which would lead me to the conclusion you have expressed.<p>> Is trinity, a concept supported by the quran?<p>No. To call Jesus God is shirk, and the Qur'an explicitly states that Isa (AS) will reject those who have Associated him.<p>However, many Christians do not believe in this particular association, and therefore the concept of the Trinity is not a blanket indictment of Christianity in general.<p>>I do not know how Allah is going to judge people<p>Nor does anyone. I don't think it is for us to know or decide such matters - it is enough of a task making sure of our own hearts and minds...<p><br>

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Khairan,<p>I am sorry but I will not be able to produce any ayahs from the quran which will satisfy your requirement. I presume you have read the quran already. If that didn't give you a clue, I sure cannot.

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When people start following what they think is right, that will be the day the trumpet will sound.<p>It's a good thing not everybody does what they think is right.

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Khairan<p>Please read Q 3:85 and Q 3:116<p>Also read Volume 1, Hadith No. 240, Sahih Muslim, The Book of Faith<p>Also see Bukhari Vol. I, Hadith no.50 and 87<p><p>

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<br>Khairan<p>Software: Aalim<p>Subject Index Trinity<p>Quran 4.171, 5.119, 5.120-121, 5.73<p>Serch Trinity-Result<p>A.Yusuf Ali<p>Q 37.7, 4.171, 5.73, 66.4<p>M. Asad<p>Q 11.63,19.92,38.7,4.171,4.50,5.73, 5.82, 57.27, 6.23<p>F. Malik<p>4.171,5.73<p>

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Al Baqara, v. 62<p>"Those who believe, and those who follow the Jewish scriptures, and the Christians and the Sabians, Any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord..."

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Khairan,<p>You should read the next 20-30 ayahs as well.

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Go ahead and read the ayahs about the Jewish scriptures immediately after the ayah you quoted and you will know if the jewish scriptures as revealed by Allah are being followed or not, Allah says they are not. You say they are, well, who do I believe?

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I have read through many of the succeeding verses, and in particular ones referenced by Muslim First. I now understand, by way of one verse in particular, what the reasoning is in saying that all the ahl-e-kitab are expected to accept Islam.<p>>You say they are, well, who do I believe?<p>No. I have never tried to claim that the Jewish or Christian religions or their scriptures are either perfect or being followed the way God intended. Islam was a Protestantism which sought to address the errors introduced into those paths by people. This is not my contention at all.<p>My contention, with focus on the phrase "ANY who believe in God and the last day," is simply that the gates to the hereafter are not open to Muslims alone. It is belief in God and righteous action, not acceptance of the Prophet or his message, which seem to be the contingent factors.<p>Belief in the word of the Messenger, as I understand it, was a mercy to mankind that he may better know God's will. Hence the perfection of Islam.<p>I do not think that Islamic theory demands this preclude other, less perfect paths.<p>Thanks to Muslim First for the ayaat references above; I will continue to study them in hopes of better understanding this issue.<p><p><p>

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<br>Br. Khairan<p>I need to post the following:<p>Q3:85 And whoever seeks a religion other then Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in hereafter he will be loser<br> (Inter oretation of the meaning of Quran by Al-Hilali and Khan)<p>It obligatory to have Belief in the Messengership of the Prophet SAW. Narrated by Abu Hurrairah:<p>Allah's Messanger said: "By him (Allah) in whose hand Muhammad's soul is, there is none from amongest the Jews and the Christians (of these present nations) who hears about me and then dies without believing in the message with which I have been sent (i.e. Islamic MoMonotheism), but he will be from the dwellers of the (Hell) Fire." (Shahih Muslim. The book of Faith, V.I-240)<p>Wasalllam<p>

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<br>We have long debate at our center about Jews and Christions also going to heaven. Many of our members have Christian and Jewish in-Laws so they keep arguing about Jews and Christions going to heaven and Scholars at last resort shows them the above posted Ayah and the Hadith.<p>And at last this is matter of belief for Muslims. Fundamentlist Christians and Jews also believe thet Theirs is only way.<p>Wasalaam<p>

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Yasmin,<br>With my little knowledge on matters of faith, I intend to enroll in this program<br>http://www.unimelb.edu.au/HB/areas/AISLAM.html and am hoping to eventually teach at the IIS. <br>Wish me luck and please keep in touch.<br>saida_kassam@yahoo.com.au

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Yasmin,<p>Where are you? You are the only true Ismaili on this board. We miss you.

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I am right here, I feel that the Ismailis find it wrong for me to post our tariqas here. I have answered every question pertaining to our faith, but the likes of Gora and Salim seem to think I am not an Ismaili or that I am probably an ex-Ismaili. <br>I am proud to be an Ismaili and I will serve the Imam and His jamat forever. My last response about Ismailis consuming alcohol must have ticked them off but this is the truth. We love what we do and my whole point was that thats what makes us different.<br>If we are considered non-muslims, who are they to consider us so and how does it affect us. Answer:- We prefer it that way. We live in a society where there is freedom of worship, so that makes our existance possible. I know that a few years ago, our people who had established a jamat khana in Saudi Arabia were thrown out. We know that in Pakistan there is a strong movement to "unmuslimize" Ismailis and it is only the strong investments of The Imam that has spared us. In India we have no problems as we can switch sides whenever we need to. We are Ismailis during the riots of 1992 and Muslims when we need to. We had no problems in Africa or Europe or North America.

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There is an hadith:<p>The Prophet was asked by a Companion if reciting the shahadat made one a Muslim. The Prophet answered in the affirmative. The Companion asked the Prophet if that meant he had to treat anyone who recited the shahadat as a brother. Again, the Prophet answered in the affirmative. The companion then asked "What if I am fighting the man, and he wounds me, but escapes my blade and runs up a tree and there recites the shadat?" Again, he was told he must accept the man. The Companion asked a final question: "What if I know that he is only reciting the shahadat so that I will spare him?" And again, he was told that he must accept the man as his brother and embrace him.<p>As with all ahadith, the verity of this tradition is suspect, but it is one of my favourites.<br>Allah knows best.

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<br>Yasmin<p>You said:-"We know that in Pakistan there is a strong movement to "unmuslimize" Ismailis and it is only the strong investments of The Imam that has spared us."<p>In plain language HI bribed politicians along with some social investment?<p>

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Well, I mean that if it was not for the Imams investments such as the hospital and the university, we would be in the same boat as the ahmedias

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Yasmin,<p>Does the Aga Khan drink Alcohol, and does he gamble?

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I don't think he either drinks or gambles. But hey that is his personal life if he does and we don't associate it with his spiritual self. Spiritually He is supreme and that is what is important to us.

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Can anyone explain what (TUS) means after the Sayedenas name? Excuse my ignorance, I seek to learn.