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There is no batan in it. Its all out in the open Alif Laam Meem

So please educate me.

We were taught it is a mystery of Allah SWT and various scholars have tried to put their understanig of it.

It is said and I agree that Hz Ali and Hz Abbas being closest to Prophet SAW learend explainations of Qur'an from Prophet himself.

Here is Shakir- Pooya tafseer from here http://quran.al-islam.org/

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Shakir 2:1] Alif Lam Mim.
[Pooya/Ali Commentary 2:1]
ALIF LAM MIM are letters of the Arabic alphabet. They are known as huruf muqatta-at, letters used as abbreviations for words which have a definite meaning of sublime and profound nature known only to Allah, His last prophet, and His Ahl ul Bayt, the true divinely chosen successors, the holy Imams. Particularly, these types of symbolic alphabets, used in some of the surahs of the Quran, as a part of those surahs, are beyond the comprehension of (even) the most learned intellectuals. It is strictly prohibited to use imagination and discretion in finding out its purport and meaning.

There are six surahs including al Baqarah, which begin with ALIF, LAM, MIM. The others are Ali Imran, Ankabut, Rum, Luqman and Sajdah.

Aqa Mahdi Puya says:

Many interpretations have been forwarded and manipulated by some commentators, but they are all based upon conjecture, devoid of any definite authority. According to the holy Imams these letters are a means of reaching the higher realms of true knowledge, available in the verses of the Quran, but the domain of sublime confidences are reserved only for the chosen representatives of Allah.

Now may be your More La is blessed by Allah SWT and being in contact with linving but hiding Imam knws corret meaning of this words.

And you have been fortunate to learn these secrete meaning in secrete Sabaks you took.
It is about time you tell what it means.

Oh MUNAFIQ!! look at ur greed!!!

first learn to obey Aqa Moula (TUS) and then ask for forgivness!! If your forgiven thn ask for knowledge!!!

when you yourself haf proven tht ALIF LAAM MEEM (known as huruf muqatta-at) can be known only to most intellectuals...! so you dont seem to have even a percentage of brain (as you cant even respect a leader of some sect of such an eldery age)

look at ur thirst of education (begging for it) yet you fool dont show any respect!!

cry for it... search for it...

coz only the true divinely chosen successor of IMAM uz ZAMAN's Dai... Dai uz Zaman (Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) ) holds the knowledge!!

progpigs wrote:Oh MUNAFIQ!! look at ur greed!!!

first learn to obey Aqa Moula (TUS) and then ask for forgivness!! If your forgiven thn ask for knowledge!!!

when you yourself haf proven tht ALIF LAAM MEEM (known as huruf muqatta-at) can be known only to most intellectuals...! so you dont seem to have even a percentage of brain (as you cant even respect a leader of some sect of such an eldery age)

look at ur thirst of education (begging for it) yet you fool dont show any respect!!

cry for it... search for it...

coz only the true divinely chosen successor of IMAM uz ZAMAN's Dai... Dai uz Zaman (Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS) ) holds the knowledge!!

What arrogance! What rudeness! And these are the "chosen" ones?

Bro MF:

I remember reading somewhere long ago that these initials (alif, laam, meem, etc.) appearing at the beginning of each chapter in the Quaran are believed to be initials of the scribes who wrote those pages. I personally find it a plausible explanation, rather than looking for some mysterious reason known only to the dai or the imam.

i would explain you the meaning of ALIF LAAM MEEM which our Dai has taugth us... but wats the use??

Ill be a FOOL if i start explaining you... coz a MONKEY will act like a MONKEY ONLY no matter how much a HUMAN educates dem!!!

(Some monkeys who will feel offended will start replyin to my post)

progpigs wrote:i would explain you the meaning of ALIF LAAM MEEM which our Dai has taugth us... but wats the use??

Ill be a FOOL if i start explaining you... coz a MONKEY will act like a MONKEY ONLY no matter how much a HUMAN educates dem!!!

(Some monkeys who will feel offended will start replyin to my post)

Classic cop-out from all liars- they would not explain because we would not understand and then hurl insults at the persons asking questions.

Knowledge increases when you share/spread knowledge, but here we have people who will not share knowledge unless you swear to keep it secret!

first try to digest simple knowledge then go for vast...!!!

knowledge is already there.. chk other forums where we have proved the maqam of dai, sajjda to dai (diff btw sajjda to ALLAH and DAi/IMAM), the chain of succession from Prophet Adam to Mohammed to Imams to Dai.... all of tht has been discussed yet you FOOL try to encounter with your falsehood...

so when you cant accept the Quran natik (the one who guides and tells you wat is there in QURAN) wat will you accept from Quran

canadian,

The reason these abde morons will not divulge the meanings of these things that are taught to them by the Dai is because they themselves haven't understood anything. After they hear what the Dai says, they are left scratching their heads. This has happened to me. These abdes have figured out that if they divulge these meanings, they will become the laughing stock of the Umma and the rest of the world. So better not to expose this nonsense taught in the sabaks to others!!

anajmi wrote:canadian,

The reason these abde morons will not divulge the meanings of these things that are taught to them by the Dai is because they themselves haven't understood anything. After they hear what the Dai says, they are left scratching their heads. This has happened to me. These abdes have figured out that if they divulge these meanings, they will become the laughing stock of the Umma and the rest of the world. So better not to expose this nonsense taught in the sabaks to others!!

seconded .....rest is the history.

Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin has stated in his waiz that Alif, Laam Meem stands for "I am Allah, the omniscient".

He has also stated that Ya, Seen means "O Mankind", although Yaseen is also an epithet of the Prophet.

The above appears to be in line with Muhammad's Ali's translation of the Quran.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muqatta'at

And that is supposed to be kept a secret in sabaks why again? Besides, if this was divulged by the Syedna in a waiz, then this is for the general public. What is in wikipedia isn't much of a secret anymore. What is probably taught by the Syedna behind closed doors is that Alif Laam Meem means "I am Syedna, Sajda mujhe wajib hai" or some such nonsense.

porus wrote:Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin has stated in his waiz that Alif, Laam Meem stands for "I am Allah, the omniscient".

Here is another explanation from a sabaak:

Alif: Allah
Laam: Jibraeel
Meem: Mohammed.

Then, the following verse (zalikal kitabo ...) refers to Ali, who is the "book" about which there is no doubt and a guidance to those who are conscious of Allah. I.e. Ali is the guide (book) after the Prophet that is clear and without error.

The point is that the Quran was revealed to the Prophet and he was the master of its outward and obvious meanings. Ali, on the other hand, did not receive revelation but was the master of its inner meaning

The point is that the Quran was revealed to the Prophet and he was the master of its outward and obvious meanings. Ali, on the other hand, did not receive revelation but was the master of its inner meaning

That is a paradox. If the prophet was the master of its outward meaning, then how did he know the hidden meaning of "zalikal kitabo"? How did Hazrat Ali figure out that he was the master of the hidden meaning? Did someone tell him? Was he born with this understanding? If he was born with this understanding, then what is the point in mentioning this in the Quran where no one else is going to understand it? And since someone else has understood it, it isn't hidden anymore now is it? Is there any writing directly from Hazrat Ali which claims that "zalikal kitabo" refers to him? If these hidden meanings revealed by the Syedna in these sabaks are studied closely, they can easily be dismissed as concoctions designed to fool dumb abdes.

anajmi wrote:

The point is that the Quran was revealed to the Prophet and he was the master of its outward and obvious meanings. Ali, on the other hand, did not receive revelation but was the master of its inner meaning

That is a paradox. If the prophet was the master of its outward meaning, then how did he know the hidden meaning of "zalikal kitabo"?

This is not a paradox: it is not that the Prophet did not know the inner meaning, but that he left it to Ali to expound it. Just like Ali did not receive revelation and did not need to as it was sent to the Prophet already. In Bohra theology the position of the Prophet and Ali are equally exalted. This does not mean that Ali was a prophet, but that he is the most important link in the propagation of the faith after the death of the Prophet.

The bohra beliefs are benign, and leaving aside the absurd recent innovations are very traditional and main-stream in many ways. Bohras pray and fast just like other Muslims and go to hajj like other Muslims. One should not dwell too much on minute details of how they actually perform these rituals as there is some uncertainty in the transmissions, and, most details are not spelt out in the Quran. If you really want to read absurd beliefs of extremist Shia sects you might want to check out:

http://books.google.com/books?id=WYO1Bq ... &q&f=false

What one must keep in mind is that many "explanations" might sound absurd and far-fetched unless one makes a few philosophical assumptions. This is true even for the most basic religious explanations, leave alone the esoteric ones. In fact, this is the reason many people are reluctant to make these explanations more widely available: you first need to accept some basic ideas before these things make sense.

Biradar wrote:

porus wrote:Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin has stated in his waiz that Alif, Laam Meem stands for "I am Allah, the omniscient".

Here is another explanation from a sabaak:

Alif: Allah
Laam: Jibraeel
Meem: Mohammed.

Then, the following verse (zalikal kitabo ...) refers to Ali, who is the "book" about which there is no doubt and a guidance to those who are conscious of Allah. I.e. Ali is the guide (book) after the Prophet that is clear and without error.

The point is that the Quran was revealed to the Prophet and he was the master of its outward and obvious meanings. Ali, on the other hand, did not receive revelation but was the master of its inner meaning

I have heard something similar not from Sayedna but from a respected Bohra elder. He said that Alif is Allah, Laam is Ali and Meem is Muhammad.

He also said that Quran's use of the word 'zalika' (that) instead of 'hazihi' (this) in the 2nd ayat of al-baqara refers to Lawh-e-Mahfuz and it is the latter that refers to Ali. He explained that, according to Bohra Metaphysics, every messenger since Adam has been associated with a Wasi/Imam who is both the preserver and the expounder of the inner meaning of the Quran. While the messenger is Natiq or the one who establishes the Sharia, it is the wasi/Imam, who as Saamit, reveals the inner meaning (baatin) of the message.

Those who wish to experience ascent to Spirit, al-aql al-awwal, would be helped in their quest through obedience to Imam and by seeking from him the knowledge of the baatin.

This is not a paradox: it is not that the Prophet did not know the inner meaning, but that he left it to Ali to expound it.

And this is inferred from which saying/tradition/hadith of the prophet (saw) or Hazrat Ali? I am not interested in what the Dai or any other Imam who came after Hazrat Ali has to say about what Hazrat Ali can or cannot do.

Those who wish to experience ascent to Spirit, al-aql al-awwal, would be helped in their quest through obedience to Imam and by seeking from him the knowledge of the baatin.

I wish to experience ascent to Spirit, al-aql al-awwal,(what ever it is) but I do not think only zahir imam Aga Khan ccapable of providing it. It would be nice if Imam Tayyab showed up so I can get this awwal aql.

Muslim First, in order to seek the knowledge first you have to believe, Come in dawoodi bohra fold, give misaque, adopt STD, do sajda to syedna, pay wajebat, sabeel and fakhir najwa than attend some sabaks otherwise just keep quite

Be Hussain
AS

You left out most important thing

Zakat

I am sure it was intentional

Muslim First wrote:Be Hussain
AS

You left out most important thing

Zakat

I am sure it was intentional

Brother Muslim First.

Do you know Urdu language? I wanted to send you some books in pdf.

wassalam

When I look at this topic,my mind automatically reads it as 'Syedna is a star created by Saddam Hussain"

These days we can say He is a Doubta Sitara ............