Saheb e dawat visiting cities, looting Bohras

[Ozdundee]

Br True Bohra
Please explain what exactly is Saheb E Dawat and why all this Tamasha for their Istiqbal and all these new innovations
Please explain the reason behind all these and what is the importance

when I look at those abdes who offer those services to the sahab e dawat I recall the argument ie quality over quantity, un reformable we dont need these quality of populace

has anyone observed how these abdes pampering the sahebs look like, their age group, occupation there is a distinct pattern

[Bori85]

band karo yeh natak band karo mazhab ke naam pe mumino ko lootna band karo.

Hello Think , do you really "think" is tarah chllaane se yeh naatak band ho jayegaa...

[Maqbool]

Br True Bohra
Please explain what exactly is Saheb E Dawat and why all this Tamasha for their Istiqbal and all these new innovations
Please explain the reason behind all these and what is the importance

TB we are waiting.......

[true_bohra]

I do not have much knowledge about Saheb e Dawat but as monginis wrote in some of his previous post that He is sent for Dawat by Syedna TUS.

As far his welcoming his concerned, I remember 10 years back also he was sent and such welcome was done. I am not defending anything but confessing what I know.

[monginis]

I do not have much knowledge about Saheb e Dawat but as monginis wrote in some of his previous post that He is sent for Dawat by Syedna TUS.

As far his welcoming his concerned, I remember 10 years back also he was sent and such welcome was done. I am not defending anything but confessing what I know.

why was there a sudden need to send sahebe dawat after 10 years?

and btw if you again read my previous post, sahebe dawat duties are totally different than what these guys are doing.

[HMALAK]

Saaheb-e-Daawat Ke naam Par Chal Rahi Hain Samaaj mein Loot-Maar,
Abb Ki Baar Modi Sarkar.....

[humanbeing]

Sahaab-e-dawat

Another fancy name and a useless event to keep abdes busy and money rolling in to kothar coffers ! PR and Marketing of kothar has way too much time and creativity to come up with new ideas to keep rich fat abdes busy in such materialistic pomp.

[true_bohra]

Saheb e dawat is not a new name.

Even syedi fakhruddin shaheed was sent as saheb e dawat.

[humanbeing]

Thanks for correction ! why and where was Syedi Fakhruddin sent as Saaheb-e-daawat ? I may know the answer, but I would like to know other’s opinion / knowledge on it ?

[monginis]

please brother i m not joking...........................................
according to dawat what is real meaning ???
what should they really need to do ??

if we look at the term it means a person who is coming to invite people to light and truth of ISLAM by educating them by Quraan and hadis, and he should be living in simple place and eat simple food and create an example for people about how to live ISLAMIC life, when fakhruddin shahed got shaheed he was on same mission and he was sahebe dawat for wagar ni zameen.

but today this whole concept of sahebe dawat is altered.

[humanbeing]

Monginis

Thanks for presenting that Information. There are stories of Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed walking long distances in wagaar tribal (bheel) area to invite / convert people to Islam under bohra ideaology and over a period of time, he became a saintly figure as well as threat to some tribal leaders loosing their control over their people and eventually they got syedi fakhruddin killed.

One of the learned member on the forum “Adam” said that,

1) Dawa acitivities does not happen during the time of Imam’s seclusion, A dai’s responsibility is to only maintain the faith of bohras as instructed by Imam ?

In this case, from the times of 1st Dai came to india for doing dawaa and converting hordes of hindus and tribals into bohraism including Syedi Fakhruddin himself.

[monginis]

as far as I know Fakhruddin shaheed is DAI in him self, (one who spreads dawah)

read more

http://galiakot.blogspot.nl/2010/01/sye ... art-1.html

[humanbeing]

Syedi fakhruddin shaheed is "DAI" him self, before the purdah of IMAM.

he is DAI before any DAI was appointed.

DAI means who does dawah and in IMAM times there use to be many DAI's at one time and age.

Monginis, (lol).. Your comments are amusing ... ! Good you corrected your post !

waiting for some serious responses from other sensible members !

[monginis]

Syedi fakhruddin shaheed is "DAI" him self, before the purdah of IMAM.

he is DAI before any DAI was appointed.

DAI means who does dawah and in IMAM times there use to be many DAI's at one time and age.

Monginis, (lol).. Your comments are amusing ... ! Good you corrected your post !

waiting for some serious responses from other sensible members !

sure, there is nothing wrong to LEARN from others as well, after all I am not gaib no jaankar or ilahul ard

I just put forward my own understanding.

even ZAKIR NAIK calls him self "DAI" because he spread ISLAM and does dawah.

[salaar]

Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed is also called Daud e Saani as maujizaat of melting iron ring is something that many of us have witnessed,he served the dawat during the period of Imam Mustansir a.s, Syedi Fakhruddin shaheed was the son of king Tarmal whereas the son of Bharmal is Maulai Yaqoob, Tarmal and Bharmal were both real brothers who accepted islam on the hands of Maulai Abdullah, after becoming Wali e Hind Maulai Yaqoob send Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed to Waaghar to establish dawat, Maulai Fakhruddin did waiz in the month of muharram and refresh the noor of gham e Hussain in the hearts of people of that area, later he accepted wajebaat from the local people and departed on the 27th of muharram to go back to paatan, while he reached the outskirts of the city of Waaghar near a water pond dacoits attacked him as they were knowing about the wajebaat money that Maula was carrying, it is said that Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed fought ferociously to defend the amaanat but was heavily outnumbered and embraced Shahadat later on that day, Qabar mubarak of Maula is on the same spot where he was martyred, Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Maula is among his descendents.

[yuzarsif]

Saheb -e- Dawat is visiting each and every home and demanding following cover
1) Dawat Salam.--> min 2100 rs or more
2) Mufaddal Moula na Najwa.-->Fakhir Rakam
3) Sehzada Salam--> min 552 of more,
4) Janab Salam-->252 of more
5) Sehzada Diwan salam -->110 or more
6) Nazrul Makam...
7) Silatul Imam..Fakhir rakam...
8. Zyafat amount --> min 11000 or more
aa logo karta to bhikari saro ke je aapo te lai ne khush thai che ane dua kare che..

[Akhtiar Wahid]

@ salaar Bhai
Thank you for sharing......The land of wagaar is still cursed, and there are still a lot of dacoits and robbers which loot the passenger and cargo vehicles on those routes and there a lot of people who have been possessed by demons and come to the mausoleum of Syedi Fakhruddin shaheed for exorcism. In my belief Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed was a remarkable personality and was blessed with divinity.

[salaar]

my grandmother told me this incident that happened when people used to travel in bullock carts and horses between villages, she said a group of people mostly ladies and children were travelling from udaipur to Tahirabad that is Galiakot for the purpose of ziarat of Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed in more then one bullock carts, they started in the morning and late in the evening the cart driver disclosed that he has lost his way as it was a jungle area attack of wild animals and dacoits were very common, ladies and children started screaming while some started calling for help from Maula Fakhruddin himself, after sometime they saw somebody coming towards them on a horse, that person addressed the cart driver to travel a little distance and then turn to one side and before anything more could be asked he rode away, the cart driver followed his instruction and after covering a short distance within minutes they were standing on the gates of Galiakot, the cart driver was confused and according to him they were at a distance of hours from galiakot and how did they reach here in such a short spell, then he admit that the sahib was no other then Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed himself and the whole group said their shukar for maulas blessings. the waaghris who are basically hindus know that their forefathers were responsible for maulas shahadat and in a state of shame and forgiveness they still roam around the mazar e Fakhri and if you talk to them they usually say HAMAY TOU MOULA NA KHABOOTRA (pigeons) CHE. May Allah provide me an opportunity to reach the darbaar of Maula Fakhruddin Shaheed,

[true_bohra]

Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed Saheb QR is one of the major hudood of Dawat. His contribution to bring people on the right path of Imam AS is immense. We lack in words to describe his persona.

Since this thread is not related to this topic but as his zikr is there, I felt to contribute my experience as well. As Adna Mumin I had received a khidmat of his mazaar, the result of it I can still feel. I invoke his name whenever I am in difficulty, surely he has helped me in all my problem.

May Allah bestow barakat of Kissing Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed's turbat mubarak and perform khidmat there to all mumineen.

[humanbeing]

Having heard stories of Sydi Fakhruddin Shaheed or fondly called, Babji Maula, what inspires me is his mission of daawa ( invite people to truth). One can understand in rural tribal lands of waaghar, such attempt to change is risky and extremely difficult. Also with lack of modern technology or political power, Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed embarked and was successful in his given mission. His struggles as a normal human is enough to inspire me and respect him with saintly attributes.

The talks of his miracles do not impress or inspire me, infact it sadden me, how people believe in shortcut miracle to solve their problems rather then learn / inspire from the reall struggle that test human spirits !

[salaar]

very true human being. i dont believe on sizzling stories that people make everyday calling them miracles, it would be unjust if Allah helps or take sides of his believers only, a justice has to be maintained till the day of judgement between Haq and Baatil, however for personalities like Syedi Fakhruddin Shaheed exhibiting maujizas is not out of bound and they possess the powers to come to your assistance if need be, if we deny then we will have to deny the maujiza of shaqqul qamar the ship of Noah, the maujizas of Essa a.s and so on.

[Kaka Akela]

Would you be shocked if I told you that Maulai Fakhruddin shaheed was only 27 years old when he was martyred??? also the discoverer of his grave was none other than syedi Abdul Qader Hakimuddin saheb of Burhanpur, who was travelling in that area also on religious mission and got tired and slept under a tree, Maulai Fakhruddin shaheed came into his dream and informed him where his grave was, buried in several feet of dirt due to the passing of the time from Imam Mustansir SA to his time. My family was also bestowed with several mojizat of Maulai Fakhruddin shaheed. I used to go there for ziyarat every time I went to India, but now due to visa restrictions on Pakistani borns U S citizens, I have not visited his grave for sometime.

[canadian]

"Maulai Fakhruddin shaheed" or "Babji Fakhruddin maula"- that's how he was known as long ago. Could some one explain when he became "Syedi" and what does "Syedi" mean? Also, what is the proof that the present dais are descended from him? Only recently this claim of him being the dai's ancestor is known!

[true_bohra]

If you go and visit the mazaar then the whole ancestry chart is available.they have shifted it now but it was available. If you can visit any website based on babji maula then you might find it now...

[canadian]

Thank you, bro. true_bohra. I found the website.
Do you know what "Syedi" means?

[Kaka Akela]

Bro Canadian :

Syed means a holy person and syedi means my holy person, syedna means our holy person.

Among Sunni Muslims a Syed is considered a descendent of Rasoolullah SA.

[canadian]

Thank you, bro. Kaka Akela.

[salaar]

TARMAL-----MAULAI FAKHRUDDIN SHAHEED------SYEDI DAUD BHAI-------MULLA ABDUL RASOOL-------SYEDI SHAMS KHAN-------SYEDI YOUSUF JEE-----------SYEDI SHAMS KHAN(surat)-----------SYEDI HASAN JEE(ujjain)---------HAYAAT BAI SAHIBA----------AL SHAIKH MOHAMMAD BHAI-----------AAMINA BAI SAHIBA----------BOUJEE BAI SAHIBA(wife of syedi jeevanjee)-------------SYEDNA TAYYAB ZAINUDDIN(45Dai)--------------SYEDNA ABDUL QADIR NAJMUDDIN(47Dai)----------SYEDNA MOHAMMAD BURHANUDDIN(49Dai)--------------SYEDNA TAHIR SAIFUDDIN(51Dai)--------------SYEDNA MOHAMMAD BURHANUDDIN MAULA. by the way the nick of one of our member is KAKA AKELA who was he and why was he called by this name ? during the period of Imam Mustansir a,s Maulai Abdullah and Maulai Ahmed started and established Dawat in Hindustan in the year Hijri 467 they started from Khambaat city, while they were on their way they passed from a field which was all dried due to shortfall of water, there they met an old couple sitting hopeless of their conditions, Maulai Abdullah enquired about their state and they said it is all because the water in the well has dried, on this Maulai Abdullah offered them that if he do dua and if Allah fills the well again with water would they accept islam and enter into Dawat ul Haq, Kaka Akela and Kaki Akeli agreed to that, Maulai Abdullah did Dua and by the mercy of Allah the well got filled with water again, seeing this the old couple at once embraced islam on the hands of Maulai Abdullah, they were the first people on the land of Hindustan who entered into Dawat and were therefore named Kaka Akela and Kaki Akeli.

[true_bohra]

Informative post...

[wiseman786]

Its Bohri women mostly who are the main targets of brainwashing but the men are not far behind either. Here, they always target the women as they are more likely to cave in. They walk around with salaam covers at the ready. I understand the issue with parents saying one thing and then being brainwashed back into the normal routine - Its difficult to see your parents hand over their hard earned money but unfortunately, the only thing you can do is tell them not to despite knowing that they will anyway. I, for one, have not given a single cent