Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)

[Truth-Prevails]

su thai su thai
http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/media/for ... -women.mp3

I always had my doubts about Shz Mufaddal Bhaisab having the ability, intellect, knowledge and diplomatic skills. I had done salaam to him many times and he was always in a hurry to move to the next person, and would not even wait to listen to you, and what I felt really bad was he would not even make eye contact. Burhanuddin Aqa RA would always look at me when I was doing salaam and would listen to my araz even if the kotharis were trying to push me away. I always walked away feeling blessed and refreshed from his Hazrat.

Then I heard this audio of his (above link) last year and this was the final nail in my doubt coffin. I was convinced that a dai-in-waiting cannot be saying and speaking like this, much less thinking and leading people down a radical and segregated way of life. Just his tone and way he spoke, and his ignorance of the world, science, media, thoughts about adultery and call centers.. blah blah blah..

Islam is about balance of Deen and Duniya and I saw him for what he is - unbalanced..

When I see the crowds follow him and chant what they chant, I feel relieved that I am not part of that cult. Allah has an amazing process of cleaning the dirt in dawat and it has happened from the days of Adam. Jealously Pride and Greed forced Kabil to murder his brother Habil. Same forces at work here.

"Those who refuse to apply history in the present are condemned to a misguided life"

[Nafisa]

See following Bullshit in defense of Mufaddal's many Waez available in record against Women's fundamental & Constitutional Rights

http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/2014/ ... -in-islam/

[salaar]

khaak e shifa is the sand collected frm the qabar mubarak and surrounding of imam hussain, now it is not that they are making blocks of pure khaak shifa, it is mixed into normal sand lets say 10% or so and then blocks are made out of it, one interesting fact abt the qabar mubarak of Abbas Allamdar is that it is surrounded by water all around and for doing ziarat of qabar mubarak you have to submerge yourself in the water

[salaar]

to humanbeing khaak shifa is only normal sand from the qabar mubarak of Imam Hussain and carries no special chemical formula or anything, for the believers it carries the barakat as mentioned by RasoolAllah that the khaak shifa of my son Hussain will carry shifa but after posting this iam sure some sunni believers will start throwing their arrows upon me but i say MY FOOT to them

[anajmi]

Why then was your 52nd Dai going to Germany for shifa?

[salaar]

you people try to carry your diminishing protest by putting one stupid topic after the other, i mean what are you talking abt females in my family have all attained good education most of them are doing jobs at higher levels in finance and marketing my own wife is head of a dept in womens college and they are proud followers of dawat, they comfortably manage both the fronts wear ridas at all forums, make rotis as well and feel proud to follow the sunnat of ma Fatima tuz Zahra, why dont you ask your womenfolk to feed you guys with roti with their caring hands and you would probably know the difference between roti and hot cross bun

[SBM]

Why then was your 52nd Dai going to Germany for shifa?

Point proved, he did not believe in any of the teachings of Ahl E Bayt His motto was "do what I say not what I do" He had more faith in Germany then his own Saifee Hospital

[salaar]

when RasoolAllah asks you to go to china why not germany and by the way anajmi DUA has to be done with DAWAA but then why am i telling all this to a wahabi he will never agree to me will you?

[SBM]

Salaar
Rasullah asked you to go China to learn and not to get medical treatment
Do you know the difference between learning and medical treatment Oh this is what happens when MONKEY BRAIN IS PUT IN HUMAN BODY

[SBM]

DUA has to be done with DAWAA

But we were told that Aqa Moula is the one who does DUA for Adnaa Mumineen, Are you saying that the Ilah Ul Ard- the Bolta Quran- the Haqiqi Kabba needed the Duas of Adna Mumineen?
So your Dai is a normal human being just like rest of us

[saminaben]

And the two women who didn't get raza, what did they do about it? Are they sitting at home wondering how to become Martha Stewart instead of going to college now?

No they are sitting at home wondering how to be the next Dai.

[true_bohra]

See following Bullshit in defense of Mufaddal's many Waez available in record against Women's fundamental & Constitutional Rights

http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/2014/ ... -in-islam/

If you think that is bullshit then what this forum is all about???

[anajmi]

by the way anajmi DUA has to be done with DAWAA

So which one is khake shifa from karbala? Dua or Dawaa?

[james]

See following Bullshit in defense of Mufaddal's many Waez available in record against Women's fundamental & Constitutional Rights

http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/2014/ ... -in-islam/

If you think that is bullshit then what this forum is all about???

true_bohra ,

Nafisa is one sickening individual. It doesn't surprise me that she finds the speeches of 51st Dai RA and 52nd Dai RA "bullshit".

[james]

Prophet Mohammed PBUH is attributed to saying " Zam zam is blessed and healing for sickness " ( Along those Lines) By same yardstick , Muslims all over the world should stop going to hospitals and doctors and drink Zam Zam whenever they fall sick .

[think_for_yourself]

See following Bullshit in defense of Mufaddal's many Waez available in record against Women's fundamental & Constitutional Rights

http://believesyednaqutbuddin.com/2014/ ... -in-islam/

If you think that is bullshit then what this forum is all about???

There is some serious back pedaling in the believesyednaqutbuddin website. In the website they say it is OK to go out and work, interact with men etc. as a means of attaining your worldly ambitions as long as the woman wears a rida and has affirmed her home as her priority and has affirmed her deen. This is in direct contradiction to what we heard Mufaddal Bhaisaheb say on the takhat - bairo bahar jai, gair mardo saathe waat karey to su su thai jai!! Mhotu zina thai jai. Ghanou mohtu gunah thai jai...And this bayan was not done once but repeated many many times so there is no doubt as to what he was saying! Never once did he say that if you wear a rida to your call center job you will avoid these things. What he said unequivocally was that if you talk to people from America all night, you will eventually end up committing adultery because the shaitan occupies the adjacent cube.... In the rida maaraz it sprang up in five videos at least! A real Dai should be able to stand by what he says but that would be impossible for Mufaddal Bhaisaheb because his bayans are misogynistic rubbish that would set women back 100 years. When Burhanuddin Moula RA gave hidayat to women to do deeni tarbiyat of their children, wear a rida, it was totally acceptable to all women and it gently guided women to the right path without banishing them to one single field of study! This imposter has exposed himself with his own bayans... I noticed that Syedna Qutbuddin TUS supporters did not use videos with bewakufo ni zabani. They used videos of actual Mufaddal Bhaisaheb videos to expose him. Nothing else was needed!

[james]

There is some serious back pedaling in the believesyednaqutbuddin website. In the website they say it is OK to go out and work, interact with men etc. as a means of attaining your worldly ambitions as long as the woman wears a rida and has affirmed her home as her priority and has affirmed her deen. This is in direct contradiction to what we heard Mufaddal Bhaisaheb say on the takhat - bairo bahar jai, gair mardo saathe waat karey to su su thai jai!! Mhotu zina thai jai. Ghanou mohtu gunah thai jai...And this bayan was not done once but repeated many many times so there is no doubt as to what he was saying! Never once did he say that if you wear a rida to your call center job you will avoid these things. What he said unequivocally was that if you talk to people from America all night, you will eventually end up committing adultery because the shaitan occupies the adjacent cube.... In the rida maaraz it sprang up in five videos at least! A real Dai should be able to stand by what he says but that would be impossible for Mufaddal Bhaisaheb because his bayans are misogynistic rubbish that would set women back 100 years. When Burhanuddin Moula RA gave hidayat to women to do deeni tarbiyat of their children, wear a rida, it was totally acceptable to all women and it gently guided women to the right path without banishing them to one single field of study! This imposter has exposed himself with his own bayans... I noticed that Syedna Qutbuddin TUS supporters did not use videos with bewakufo ni zabani. They used videos of actual Mufaddal Bhaisaheb videos to expose him. Nothing else was needed!

Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS 's exact words were " Kaam bhi karwa jawo toh barabar khayal rakhi ne jawu joye " Then he quotes a kalam of Ameerul Mumineen Ali ibn Abi Talib regarding " mirzhal " ( knitting ). Do you question the wisdom in kalam of Ali ibn Abi Talib AS ?

[SBM]

If you think that is bullshit then what this forum is all about???

true_bohra

This forum is called True Sheet

[SBM]

Prophet Mohammed PBUH is attributed to saying " Zam zam is blessed and healing for sickness " ( Along those Lines) By same yardstick , Muslims all over the world should stop going to hospitals and doctors and drink Zam Zam whenever they fall sick .

Except Prophet Mohammed did not go to GERMANY to get treatment unlike your DAI who tells everyone(abdes who ask for Raza) to go to Saifee Hospital and use Khake Shifa while he went to Germany for rejuvenation.

[Crater Lake]

In one of his bayans he also threw "IT" as a lowly field along with call center jobs...."navi navi fashion" he called them. I know many muminat who studied computer science with raza mubarak of Burhanuddin Moula RA and have led very successful lives in deen and duniya while shining in their careers....Totally doable. Mufaddal Bhaisaheb needs to take a trip beyond the jungles of Africa where women practice their deen successfully in all walks of life. In the two and a half years of Burhanuddin Moula's hayati he never once made a trip to the US or UK to educate himself about these things. But he found time for 3 hunting trips to South Africa! Not a sign of a true Dai....

[think_for_yourself]

There is some serious back pedaling in the believesyednaqutbuddin website. In the website they say it is OK to go out and work, interact with men etc. as a means of attaining your worldly ambitions as long as the woman wears a rida and has affirmed her home as her priority and has affirmed her deen. This is in direct contradiction to what we heard Mufaddal Bhaisaheb say on the takhat - bairo bahar jai, gair mardo saathe waat karey to su su thai jai!! Mhotu zina thai jai. Ghanou mohtu gunah thai jai...And this bayan was not done once but repeated many many times so there is no doubt as to what he was saying! Never once did he say that if you wear a rida to your call center job you will avoid these things. What he said unequivocally was that if you talk to people from America all night, you will eventually end up committing adultery because the shaitan occupies the adjacent cube.... In the rida maaraz it sprang up in five videos at least! A real Dai should be able to stand by what he says but that would be impossible for Mufaddal Bhaisaheb because his bayans are misogynistic rubbish that would set women back 100 years. When Burhanuddin Moula RA gave hidayat to women to do deeni tarbiyat of their children, wear a rida, it was totally acceptable to all women and it gently guided women to the right path without banishing them to one single field of study! This imposter has exposed himself with his own bayans... I noticed that Syedna Qutbuddin TUS supporters did not use videos with bewakufo ni zabani. They used videos of actual Mufaddal Bhaisaheb videos to expose him. Nothing else was needed!

Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS 's exact words were " Kaam bhi karwa jawo toh barabar khayal rakhi ne jawu joye " Then he quotes a kalam of Ameerul Mumineen Ali ibn Abi Talib regarding " mirzhal " ( knitting ). Do you question the wisdom in kalam of Ali ibn Abi Talib AS ?

Would Moulana Ali AS have been OK with women pursuing careers in IT? YES. How do I know it? I know it because his Dai Burhanuddin Aqa gave raza to hundreds if not thousands of women to go ahead and pursue it. Yet his imposter of a son dismissed it as a "navi fashion." Dude that's why we have a Quran e Natik. To interpret our deen for us in modern times. If we have someone on the mimbar who is uneducated and out of touch with the times, he is bound to commit blunders such as he did with his stance on women.

[ARB]

I truly feel embarrased and sorry for the thousands of educated women who want to pursue their education and career in promising fields but wont get any raza now. They are only good for knitting or cooking. What century does this guy live in?

Does SMS forget that bibi Khadija the wife of Prophet pbuh was an extremely well-established business woman, who traded on a multi-national level. In addition to being an excellent wife and mother. And this is 14 centuries ago. Who is he telling us home science is better for our women and ghar no konu ikhtiyar karwa nu.

Do you question the wisdom in kalam of Ali ibn Abi Talib AS ?

Ha. All these ladies in professional careers or degrees were given raza to do so by SMB. Do you question the wisdom of SMB?

[anajmi]

According to some hadith collectors, the prophet (saw) has said that zamzam has healing power. The prophet (saw) has also said that the water of zamzam is for whatever it is drunk for. The problem with us is that we do not have sufficient Iman to gain the benefit from these things. The water of zamzam proves ineffective for us because we have no true Iman in it. One can then argue that it is the same with khake shifa. It is supposed to provide the benefit only to the true believer. Unfortunately, it simply proves that the Dai was not a true believer either. Else, he would've gotten shifa from khake shifa!!

[james]

Oh dear.Muslims don't have sufficient Iman to benefit from Zam Zam yet they keep taking it and feel they are getting healed and blessed.Charades anyone ?

Does anyone have any doubt whatsoever on the Iman of Leader of Prophets " Mohammed Mustafa SAW" ? He fell ill. Why didn't he consume Zam Zam at that time and get 100% Health instantly ?

More examples can be given of Leader of Vicegerents/Successors "Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib AS " , Noble and Honorable Fatema AS , Two Pearls Hasan and Husain AS , but this may lead to furious display of anger in some houses. ( Due to insufficient Iman of course )

[james]

Would Moulana Ali AS have been OK with women pursuing careers in IT? YES. How do I know it? I know it because his Dai Burhanuddin Aqa gave raza to hundreds if not thousands of women to go ahead and pursue it. Yet his imposter of a son dismissed it as a "navi fashion." Dude that's why we have a Quran e Natik. To interpret our deen for us in modern times. If we have someone on the mimbar who is uneducated and out of touch with the times, he is bound to commit blunders such as he did with his stance on women.

Trust you to twist words and make a mountain out of a molehill. It is not surprising to see that you have latched onto the word " IT " and not call center which was the core of the bayan.The gist was that he was against mumineen working in call center. And he gave perfect reasons behind it . It is not just him but some scientific studies also shows that working in a call center is bad for health. There are various articles on ills of working in call center. Perhaps you should check it out instead of the twisting and turning on a forum .

And working in call centers is a new fashion of sorts.Were there call centers in India in 1940s or 50s ? College drop outs in India and other countries are recruited for customer service of western companies. They are paid a pittance as compared to their western counterparts. Tell me what is the minimum wage one would get for working 60hours week in a month in USA ? Is 2400$ a fair estimate ? Call center agents are paid 400-500$ in India.You are the one who is out of touch with times.

[trvoice]

Would Moulana Ali AS have been OK with women pursuing careers in IT? YES. How do I know it? I know it because his Dai Burhanuddin Aqa gave raza to hundreds if not thousands of women to go ahead and pursue it. Yet his imposter of a son dismissed it as a "navi fashion." Dude that's why we have a Quran e Natik. To interpret our deen for us in modern times. If we have someone on the mimbar who is uneducated and out of touch with the times, he is bound to commit blunders such as he did with his stance on women.

Trust you to twist words and make a mountain out of a molehill. It is not surprising to see that you have latched onto the word " IT " and not call center which was the core of the bayan.The gist was that he was against mumineen working in call center. And he gave perfect reasons behind it . It is not just him but some scientific studies also shows that working in a call center is bad for health. There are various articles on ills of working in call center. Perhaps you should check it out instead of the twisting and turning on a forum .

And working in call centers is a new fashion of sorts.Were there call centers in India in 1940s or 50s ? College drop outs in India and other countries are recruited for customer service of western companies. They are paid a pittance as compared to their western counterparts. Tell me what is the minimum wage one would get for working 60hours week in a month in USA ? Is 2400$ a fair estimate ? Call center agents are paid 400-500$ in India.You are the one who is out of touch with times.

Dont over exaggerate jamie boy, no one in US makes 2400$ per week. thats what people make per month. So if call center employees are paid 500$ a month thats fair enough, I know some personally who make a lot more. And if he is soooo overly concerned that he has to loose his temper, what has he done till day for the entire community, or atleast show me a couple examples where there has been some source of income setup or a small scale industry has been setup by dawat.
On the contarary dawat had many ponzi scheme setup in the past where lots of mumineen have lost lakhs of rupess in it.

P.S Jamie boy this is a public forum, almost every has a right to say anything, and no one can shut anyone up here. So be ready to take some heat cause the exposure of old tactics and scams cannot be forgotten or hide. Look at the recent example, YN's death was always portrayed as a normal death, but even after 28 years the truth came out.

[monginis]

Br trvoice

james has never gone out of zampa bazar and kutbi wadi area of surat, expecting him to know about wages in US or any thing international is like expecting modi to talk about Quraan.

[anajmi]

So you are saying that Zam Zam actually works since so many muslims feel they are getting healed and blessed? You are not a complete moron are you? Zam Zam has no medicinal properties. It is beneficial only because of Taqwa of those who consume it. Why didn't khake shifa benefit your Dai? Cause he had no faith in it. Thank you for making my point.

Does anyone have any doubt whatsoever on the Iman of Leader of Prophets " Mohammed Mustafa SAW" ? He fell ill. Why didn't he consume Zam Zam at that time and get 100% Health instantly ?

Well, actually the prophet (saw) didn't even need Zam Zam to cure himself. Everything the prophet (saw) did was for the benefit of mankind. He suffered sickness to set an example for us. To give us strength when we suffer in sickness and cannot afford to fly to Germany. The Dai flew to Germany to cure himself. Not a good example for us. Most of his own abdes cannot fly to Germany to cure themselves. You need to go back to Jamea. Well, actually, do not go back to jamea. They are the ones who broke you people in the first place.

[monginis]

this is so ridiculous Admin is allowing this wahabi crap to derail important threads.

ZamZam and Khake shifa has its own importance and ridiculing it by wahabi rat and allowing him to do so shows how badly this forum is moderated.

[salaar]

i have made repeated request earlier to admin to stop these wahabi monkeys jumping around, for these people khaak shifa has no meaning we are trying to discuss these issues with some friends who wants to acquire more information but i dont know why this crazy bunch poke their nose again and again, hey anajmi and sbm listen i know we have nothing in common why dont you go into your own circles and spit your filth there, dont waste your time here you are not going to achieve anything except frustration and by the way you wahabi guys donot believe in anything rather then ALLAHO then why do you go all the way to Haj e Baitullah and kiss (worship in your perspective) Hajr e Aswad which is just a stone, why do you do that, i assure you even if RasoolAllah comes in person and ask you for mohabbat of Ahl e Bayet you people would not change,