Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

[Sufi monk]

Why do I have a doubt that both are not the same person....

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[shabbir4u]

Muqaddas Sydena Arab look alike used in video... now dead..

Your Name says a lot. If you cannot respect somebody dont make fun of it.It show that how u raised up.

Sydena Mohammad Burhanuddin Maula Zindabad !!!!

[Sufi monk]

Muqaddas Sydena Arab look alike used in video... now dead..

Your Name says a lot. If you cannot respect somebody dont make fun of it.It show that how u raised up.

Sydena Mohammad Burhanuddin Maula Zindabad !!!!

Suleman was nabi, learn more about islaam rather than just shouting empty slogans.

Islaam Zindabad !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[adna_mumin]

Clarifying some purposely misleading discussions.

It is very obvious that there are none or not many Qutbis commenting on this thread. It's only the Proggys who have nothing to do with Fatemi/Dawoodi Bohra faith. They will ridicule and reject anything connected to it. So it's pointless.

Events/Audio/Video from todays Waaz.

Audio: Nass on Syedna MUFADDAL TUS. He and Shz Qaid Johar bs were not present.
Audio has Nass.

Video: The Shzd witnesses visited Syedna Mufaddal, and all the sahebs jointly came to the hospital. Sharbat, araz and salaam to Syedna RA and Syedna TUS.
There is No Nass in this video.
Syedna RA gives raza and with the help of Shzd Idris gives sherbat to Syedna Mufaddal, places is hand on his back and is seen speaking to Syedna Mufaddal and Dr Moiz Bs.

Some reasons I can think of why it wasn't shown before:
1. Information about the existence of this video and audio was known.
2. The clear Nass of Raudat Tahera video "mufaddal bhai ne Nass nu taaj", alive witnesses and Nass document were sufficient for those who accept the truth.
3. Since this is clearly a private video, there no need to make it public since the remaining evidence was sufficient.
4. This video and audio was presented in courts last month. It would make sense to show the evidence to courts before making it public.

The audio is clear. And the video clearly refutes all the medical claims of the QUTBIs that Syedna wasn't aware of his whereabouts and movements, and couldn't speak clearly a few hours after the stroke.

The truth always prevails

This is addressed to anyone that would like to take this question.

Indeed the video of the hospital well and truly emphatically answers many logical questions. The sharbat and movement of Moulana's RA hands on his own are truly indicative of the power befitting him. May Allah ta bless him afzal ul jaza. Aameen.

So there were these 2 audio clips and 1 video that has been latest presented to the adna mumineen. All sincere efforts and evidence is only welcome i guess.

I have this one question:

This was on evening of 18th Rajab 1432 h in Saifee Hospital. So Moula RA had speech faculty that he could do shahadat bayan of Imam Husain AS - almost a minute or more of fairly clear words.

And the very next day in Raudat Tahera in front of thousands - how did his speech compare? Hardly any word to make out.
The video of the this Roza event has been heard now by millions i would think, what does his speech level compare as?

WHY?

I beg for Allah ta forgiveness if i am wrong but it is He that has blessed me with this brain that will reason and indeed it is He alone that will satisfy it.
A'ouzo billahe minas shaitaan ir rajeem.

[Akhtiar Wahid]

Still no updates on fatemi dawat, during this crucial time they should counteract soon.
This video is dubious and misleading, lot of scenes of Aqa Burhanuddin (RA) is pixel-ed and this video is doubtful and not convincing, setup of the ICU or ward room is not convincing enough, no medical staff or attendees, why no audio of Syedna Mohammed burahnuddin saheb (RA) with the video.

[next_generation2014]

Still no updates on fatemi dawat, during this crucial time they should counteract soon.
This video is dubious and misleading, lot of scenes of Aqa Burhanuddin (RA) is pixel-ed and this video is doubtful and not convincing, setup of the ICU or ward room is not convincing enough, no medical staff or attendees, why no audio of Syedna Mohammed burahnuddin saheb (RA) with the video.

Here there is need of update from SKQ.....

[next_generation2014]

Did anyone send the mail to fatimidawat for the comments? Or anyone has tried to connect SKQ camp?

[abbasb]

They are aware of the video and the discussion going around on the social media. Still, I haven't seen the video or heard the audio myself, so no comment on its content and authenticity. Anyone... PLEASE post the video/audio for those like me who have stopped going to the 'cinemas'

[UnhappyBohra]

Watched the video at the masjid yesterday. This is just more of the same. Same Raudat Tahera type audio/ video. Totally ambiguous. Gestures, suggestions, other people speaking...THIS is the irrefutable proof??!! Given that I am not even convinced by this video and I am in the undecided category; I doubt that SKQ gang is losing any sleep over it.

My suggestion to SMS camp is this. Give it up. If Burhanuddin Moula had wanted to do irrefutable nass, he would have done it well before the stroke. He had a sidelined Mazoon so he had no political barriers to nominating MS pre-stroke. You have lost Round 1. All you can produce now is the same old tired suggestive videos. If this is the best you can do, you are lucky you have this sheep herd following. Rational people are seeing the evident desperation with every new pathetic video. The sense of manipulation of an old and sick father is hard to escape!

[MMH]

Muqaddas Sydena Arab look alike used in video... now dead..

About the Arab Look alike of Muqaddas Moula as received from Facebook:

This is Shaykh al-Al-lamah: Muhammed Al-BAKKALI, one of the greatest Muhaddithins (One who knows all the sayings of Muhammad hadith by heart - or at least 200 thousand hadiths are needed to get this title) in the world. He is from the city of Tanger-Morocco. From this famous hadith scholar learned and graduated more than 1000 scholars of hadith, from Morocco and outside Morocco. He lived 100 years.

He died in January 2013 so lets just not post baseless things like he was used in the video to be portrayed as Muqaddas Moula

[alam]

If Burhanuddin Moula had wanted to do irrefutable nass, he would have done it well before the stroke. He had a sidelined Mazoon so he had no political barriers to nominating MS pre-stroke.

The political barriers to doing irrefutable Nass on Mufaddalbhai Saheb:
1. The So-called "side-lined" Mazoon could then claim that "how come? You did nass on me, and now you cannot go back on in it, and deny Imam uz zaman's ilhaam, and Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb's wasiyat."

The political barrier to doing irrefutable Nass on Mazoon Saheb:
1. Power and khidmat of Najmuddin family
2. Power and khidmat of SMB's own shehzadas and immediate families.
3. Mazoon sahebs silence, passivity, and being a silent victim in this uprising.
4. Conflicting loyalties for S yedna Burhannuddin between his father's STS wishes and his own wishes - left him in his later years in a highly symbolic paralytic stroke.

[think_for_yourself]

If Burhanuddin Moula had wanted to do irrefutable nass, he would have done it well before the stroke. He had a sidelined Mazoon so he had no political barriers to nominating MS pre-stroke.

The political barriers to doing irrefutable Nass on Mufaddalbhai Saheb:
1. The So-called "side-lined" Mazoon could then claim that "how come? You did nass on me, and now you cannot go back on in it, and deny Imam uz zaman's ilhaam, and Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb's wasiyat."

The political barrier to doing irrefutable Nass on Mazoon Saheb:
1. Power and khidmat of Najmuddin family
2. Power and khidmat of SMB's own shehzadas and immediate families.
3. Mazoon sahebs silence, passivity, and being a silent victim in this uprising.
4. Conflicting loyalties for S yedna Burhannuddin between his father's STS wishes and his own wishes - left him in his later years in a highly symbolic paralytic stroke.

So basically, you are saying that there was no real poilitical barrier to anointing MS as mansoos, if SMB had really wanted it to be so. Having a side-lined Mazoon say "how come?" is not much of a barrier when he had the entire community eating out of the palm of his hand. Assuming that he was even the slightest bit inclined to change his mind, it was really SMB's conscience and his promise to Syedna Taher Saifuddin and the nass that he has already pronounced that was holding him back. Which then leads one to conclude that SMB never really wanted to do irrefutable nass on MS. Sorry MS bhaisaheb. You are still a charlatan. Make way for the haqq na saheb.

[Ozdundee]

The authenticity of the video is not critical , that time will provide analysis and counter claims , but it being shown on a Urus day was deliberate agenda that leveraged emotions , image of a frail 52nd to home in the sympathy lever, used to bring back the abde drifters create families to be polarised,, who in the past few months were getting convinced or doubtful and SKQ was making head way in wining hearts and minds.

The recent Modi election campaigns must have given them ideas.

SMS had to do something so he chose an opportune moment , captured the majority in a phoney Urus event to project his campaign and propaganda for legitimacy and survival. He did trump SKQ in this case, masses have been captivated months of work by SKQ has been washed for the hardcore abdes who had any chance of switching sides.

SMS camp should never be underestimated it will go to any length to protect its numbers and territory at all costs . It is happy to loose a few on the fringe to SKQ .

It will be interesting what next move SKQ makes publicly. Over time a few logically thinking will awake from the stun and awe to over analyse the audio video and find holes in it and start drifting again , but I bet SMS will have another event which will be released at the right time in the future.

[alam]

So basically, you are saying that there was no real poilitical barrier to anointing MS as mansoos, if SMB had really wanted it to be so. Having a side-lined Mazoon say "how come?" is not much of a barrier when he had the entire community eating out of the palm of his hand. Assuming that he was even the slightest bit inclined to change his mind, it was really SMB's conscience and his promise to Syedna Taher Saifuddin and the nass that he has already pronounced that was holding him back. Which then leads one to conclude that SMB never really wanted to do irrefutable nass on MS. Sorry MS bhaisaheb. You are still a charlatan. Make way for the haqq na saheb.

From my POV, SMB had his sons and Najmuddin sons being highly aggressive but effective in conceiving and executing large scale projects around the world, making the zahiri Dawat infrastructure for Mumineen very strong. . . Which made him look real good, which he was, along with SMB's gift on the podium/takhat. . . And Mazoon Saheb really didn't assert himself enough during the reign of Burhanuddin maula. And Burhanuddin maula never had the gumption to fire even a lowly corrupt under-performing KOTHARI official, so he wouldn't even consider firing or sidestepping Mazoon Saheb. SMB was torn, with divided loyalties, and did Nass on two sahebs. That is the evidence that is glaringly becoming obvious. A highly inconvenient truth, for the ordinary Bohra.

With due respect to SMB, SKQ, SMS, and their respective positions, it's high time the rutba naa sahebs and their court holders and khidmat guzaars from ALL factions acknowledge that the betrayal is from SMB himself for not doing irrefutable Nass, rather than finger-pointing by either camp toward SKQ or SMS.

Get angry with Allah, blame Allah. He will forgive you far more easily than human beings will forgive. After all, He knows the truth that is in your hearts.
Remember Topol in the old movie, Fiddler on the Roof - where he routinely has arguments with God for his poverty. His staunch faith in the almighty was pretty obvious.

[ghulam muhammed]

watsup msg :-

Now with the hospital video surfacing, let us study how it changes the dynamics of the situation we have on hand. We have the SMS camp with their old proofs already in the public domain, now have one more proof, which they can brandish and say that there is now irrevocable evidence that the Nass has taken place on SMS. And the SKQ camp who from the start has maintained that they do not have any such evidence except for the fact that SKQ was the sole witness and recipient of the Nass on him. This is how the facts stand. Now who do you believe :-

Let us dispassionately analyse the video. Firstly as many would say why was the video shown after 4 months why not earlier when everybody's refrain was that, that such a video was a crucial evidence missing in the pattern of other evidences put forth by SMS camp. In could have been shown in Saifee Masjid during the mourning period; it could have been shown in Azad Maidan where it could have had a much greater impact as far as public relations are concerned. Or it could have been shown before filing the answer to the petition in the High Court or better still it could not have been shown at all but could have been saved to showcase in the court cases as clinching evidence and lay bare the claim of SKQ that he is the Dai. Why put it in public domain when the court case is going on and all eyes are on it.

What comes to mind in the light above is that the SMS camp feeling a little uncomfortable about the fact that SKQ was benefitting from lack of such a video and other pro SKQ material in the public domain whereby it seemed that SKQ was gaining the upper hand, put it out on Syedna TS urus so that now his followers can counter SKQ followers more confidently. Also it could have been put out now as SMS having to face a lot of resistance from the public at large on his Saheb-e-Dawat collection exercise and feeling the pinch cause of public annoyance on ongoing Sabeel and Wajebat collection felt that in order to boost the said collections this video at this time will come in handy. With this video the faithful now will contribute to the coffers with much more vigour and the doubters will follow suit.

Later even if the video is subjected to forensic analyses and turns out not to be the clinching evidence that it is being labelled, it does not matter. IMMEDIATE PURPOSE IS SERVED. And the side benefit is that any doubters who were kneeling more towards SKQ will now abandon that idea.

Now the video per se raises many questions. Is it the same hospital room where Aqa Mola was kept, why is the video in such bad shape as any mobile phone which the people in the room normally have will not give such a bad performance, why is the video clear in parts where it is important to see certain actions and events, is it Aqa Molas voice and is it really Aqa Mola Mohamed Burhanuddin. All such questions will remain unanswered unless proven in court.

SKQ followers in light of all the above will now say that if evidence has to be examined and if evidence is the final arbitrator to establish whether SKQ is the Dai than all the 21 Imams and the 52 Dais before our times, evidences will have to be examined to come to the conclusion whether we all are on the right path. And they will quote Syedna TS who said:-
Everything alive in this world; on this planet will vouch for the Dai because everything in this world owes its existence to the Imam and the Dai. It is made for him, so it will vouch for him.

Lets now see who measures up to that final test, SKQ or SMS. Only time will tell....

[Adam]

Apologies for the lengthy message. Will try to deal with most of the issues.

Before anything, how many of the people harbouring doubt above are actually Qutbi Bohras?
I am confident that almost 90% are those who doubted Syedna Taher Saifuddin ad Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, and are deliberately mis-interpreting all this to create more doubt. For them, there is no reason to waste any time on.

Sceptical: ?
Sufi monk : Not a follower of 51st or 52nd Dai.
AgnosticIndian: ?
MMH: ?
next_generation2014: ?
salaar: ?
byculla: Claims to be a follower of the 52nd Dai.
anajmi: Wahabi
voice: ?
yuzarsif: ?
Truthseeker: ?
dal-chaval-palidu: ?
reluctantreligist: ?
fustrate_Bohra: Calls KQ a Qubuttin Moula, but continues to be a "frustrated Bohra"
confused_mumin : The name says it all
humanbeing: Not a follower of 51st or 52nd Dai.
Akhtiar Wahid: ?
adna_mumin: ?
abbasb:
UnhappyBohra : The name says it all
think_for_yourself :
Ozdundee:
ghulam muhammed: A famous critic of 51st and 52ns Dai, and against most Dawoodi Bohra beliefs.

If someone could clarify
1) who in fact is a follower of KQ,
2) A follower of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, but currently confused

The rest who are just here to waste their time creating more doubts. Peace.

@VOICE

The big question is that if London video nass was available as a private family affair than why the daughter in law of SMS and QJ left there husbands and went to SKQ?

It wasn't even a "private family affair". Only Syedna's RA own children, Dr Moiz BS and Abdul Qadir BS would have access to Syedna in this condition. The only two extra people I can see in the video is Dr Idris BS (Amil of London) and Jafar us Sadiq BS (s/o Syedna Mufaddal). I am guessing the latter two only had access to this room after the hostpital Nass when they came with Syedna Mufaddal TUS.
As you are hinting, I am sure No Daughter in Laws of Syedna RA had access to him in the hospital, so let alone Grand Daughter in Laws (KQs daughters = Syedna RA's Grand Daughter in Laws).


@Suleman
The questions you posted are none but of purposely blinding yourself to the truth.

The hunch that Syedna had developed due to old age in latter years is clearly not to be seen...

That's because the hospital bed is raised. Clearly you haven't been to a decent hospital recently. That's what hospital beds do. They raise the patient up.

d) How come we don't see any Dr's or Nurses. Was he not monitored 24/7 in the ICU.

None of us can answer this, because we weren't there. If a person has recovered and out of immediate danger, I don't see why the doctors needed to be there the whole time.
Mind you, before performing Nass, Syedna RA did ask his sons to wait until he called them in. So MAYBE the doctors were attending to him, and then when they had completed their work, they would have allowed the visitors to enter.

e) This in no way looks like an ICU room. We need to get the photos of the ICU rooms at Bupa Cromwell Hospital where I believe Muqaddas Syedna was admitted.

Who said anything about Nass being done in an ICU room?
Please take the first flight to London and verify all these facts for yourself. You can ask KQ to finance your ticket.

g) Conveniently certain parts of the video are pixel 'blocked'.

That's because parts of the video shows Shehzadi Husaina BS (d/o Syedna RA), hence it is common that women are blurred out in public images. Refer to Zeninfosys if you don't believe me.

@Truthseeker

First and foremost, I wonder why the video was not taken and just an audio was taken when the nass was conferred on SMS.

Please read my comments before this. There was no need to.

Thirdly, Assuming that the audio is genuine, SMB could have easily told the same words to the general public when he was out of hospital as he was alive atleast for 20 months or so after the alleged London Hospital Nass. Especially that when he did shahadat in the latter part , he could have atleast mentioned a few words validating the nass in presence of outsiders and not just his family.

Exactly. He did it in Raudat Tahera, loud and clear. Please look at the video, especially at the time 26:50 to 27:10.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9wG2Irv-Q

Based on the Nass in Hospital and the Public Nass, all mumineen accepted the Nass, because it was clear to them. So much that even KQ and his clan accepted, congratulated, did bayaan in Waaz and posted this good news on their site.

@Daal-Chaval-Palidu

I saw the video today at the Masjid. The 1st question is: If they had this video and others, why not show it 3 years back and minimize the split in the community? Did they not have an obligation to do that?

Please read my earlier posts.
1. There was no doubt 3 years ago and no open split.
2. There was no imposter 3 years ago (KQ openly accepted the Nass 3 years ago)

For your hospital related queries. Please fly to London with @Suleman and carry out your research.

•Who shot this video? That is one more person? Was it from a phone or something else? If something else, how did they have a recording equipment right away a few hours after a stroke?

Abdul Qadir Bs s/o Dr Moiz BS shot this video. At one point, you can see the camera shake because he is passing the camera to someone else to continue the recording as he goes to do Salaam to Syedna RA and Syedna Mufaddal.

It seems to be a Phone Camera. The video is clear, I don't see the problem. Maybe in your relay center the receiver wasn't too good.

And then this whole video. That is 90 minutes plus. No medical staff came anytime in that whole period to check and be a witness to any of this?

Who said no Doctors came in during that 90mins time? You just don't see them during the short video. How do you even know there was no doctor besides Moula RA during the time of the Audio recording?

One of my concerns is that people may end up seeing in this video what they want to see. I personally have some doubts, but --- will let it be argued by non-Bohra lawyers in court.

These audios and videos have been given to court a month ago. And the court is investigating it. The judge said positive comments in relation to the video. If you right click and go to the properties of a video, it tells you when the video was created. I'm sure the court has more methods of proving it's authenticity. The truth will always prevail.

Confirmed news from sources that the video & audio submitted in the court is not the one which was shown to all the general public on sunday (18/5/2014).

This is false information. The same Audio & Video was presented to courts.

@Byculla
It's good to know your a follow of Syedna al Muqaddas RA. If you have any questions, you can PM me as well, as things always end up getting diluted and side tracked on the Fourm.

My common sense tells me in the many waaz since 4th Rabiul Akhar, Mufaddal mola would certainly have had announced that our delegation went but was returned back from SKQ side.

Why would he need to? He doesn't even give KQ the honour of taking his name in the waaz.

If you are on "Haq" as SMS camp believes and with the power and ilm of Jamea Saifiyah to back you its hard to imagine why would you not be willing for a dialogue and an outright open debate especially with a person whose speech is not clear.

Dialog is taking place in courts. Both parties met before the April hearding. They examined each others evidence. The Qutbi Bohras saw the Nass document and videos.
If they still continue not to accept it, then the loss is nothing but theirs.

If you claim to be a follower of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, then you should be truthful to your claim by accepting his words when he clearly says "Mufaddal Bhai ne Nass nu Taaj" in the Raudat Tahera video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge9wG2Irv-Q

@ADNA MUMIN

This was on evening of 18th Rajab 1432 h in Saifee Hospital. So Moula RA had speech faculty that he could do shahadat bayan of Imam Husain AS - almost a minute or more of fairly clear words.
And the very next day in Raudat Tahera in front of thousands - how did his speech compare? Hardly any word to make out.
The video of the this Roza event has been heard now by millions i would think, what does his speech level compare as?
WHY?

It was always expected that no matter how much evidence you show, those who aren't open to the truth, will never accept it. "There's no point blaming a blind man for not seeing the Sun" (Syedna Abdeali Saifuddin RA)

@Whatsapp Message

Firstly as many would say why was the video shown after 4 months why not earlier when everybody's refrain was that, that such a video was a crucial evidence missing in the pattern of other evidences put forth by SMS camp. In could have been shown in Saifee Masjid during the mourning period;

There was no need to:
1) There was already litigation taking place.
2) All the people who gathered in Azaad Maidan & 40 Days Majlis were all the believers, who simply accepted the Raudat Tahera Nass.
3) Now that the material has been submitted to courts, it is being made public. It is something that didn't need to be made public because the remaining evidence is sufficient.
4) Whether they released it now or then. The fact of the matter is, IT IS HERE NOW. Do you still have doubts? If you do, then it is evident that no matter when it was released, you would still continue to shut your eyes and years to the truth.

Concluding:
This are my comments.
Instead of taking every bit of evidence as 1 separate piece and doubting it. All these evidences are just collections of what exists, and being revealed to us.
Why don't you look at it as a WHOLE? Connect all the dots, that Nass was done, it is very clear, Moula's health permitted it, and the whole world heard it, contradictory to everything KQ is claiming.

The Nass has been documented since 1388H, and 1415H. The witness (The documents exist and Sh Abdulhusain Yamani is alive)

Audio on 4 Rajab 1432H - clearly states the words "Mufaddal" and "Dawat ma Rutba ma qaim karu chu"

Video In hospital - clearly proves Moula's health was not in such a state that the Qutbi Bohras claim it to be. He was moving, looking, talking and drinking sherbet.

The Video of 19th Rajab Raudat Tahera 1432H - clearly proves that Syedna was aware, he was giving salaami, looking at the crowd, seated on the floor near the Qabr, did ziyarat, gestured towards Syedna Mufaddal, placed his hand on his back, held the mic. Last but not least, he CLEARLY said the words "Mufaddal Bhai ne Nass nu Taaj" (Min 26:50 to 27:10), and then later on he instantly says "Khuda Barakat apey", which shows his speech was clear.

Finally, the Shahadat in Saifee Hospital following Raudat Tahera, is also proof that Syedna's speech wasn't impaired (as is clear in Raudat Tahera as well).

If you look at this is a whole. You will see that everything falls into place. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA, did a CLEAR NASS on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin RA, and he was medically fit to do so.

If you doubt the whether the Audio was Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin's, then have a look at the Raudat Tahera video. Do you doubt that was Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin as well when he said "Mufaddal Bhai ne Nass nu Taaj"?
Hear there is Audio and Video proof.
Yet you still doubt?

Anyone who doubts this clear Nass, is identical to those who doubted the clear Nass of Ghadeer e Khum amidst 70,000 people. Similar to KQ, many heard and accepted the Nass of Moulana Ali. Umar even congratulated him, just like KQ did in 1432H.

I was fascinated to to understand how 70,000 people could have rejected a Nass that was so clear. It never made sense to me. Today I can understand how blind some can be.

On one hand, there is nothing but a self proclamation without evidence. And the Qutbi Bohras don't doubt it.
And on the other hand there is documented, audio, video and physical proof. Yet they cannot see the truth.

History does repeat it self.

[Sufi monk]

Adam kept in category of not follower of 51 and 52nd dai, just because I sound rational? I ask questions? I think different from group of abdes? I talk about Islam? I dont support mass murderers of Muslim? I don't bow down to un Islamic practices of kothaar?

any one who follows kothaar with blind eye is a good follower?

any ways I take it as a compliment so Thank you.

[Adam]

@Sufi Monk
It wasn't a compliment nor an insult. I was just stating the obvious facts.

Since you aren't a follower of the 51st or 52nd (or the 53rd-whoever it is), this whole discussion doesn't concern you. And a reader can filter them accordingly.
Most of the people commenting here aren't followers of the 51st or 52nd, and some are neither Dawoodi Bohras. Thus, topics are always diverted.

[Sufi monk]

@Sufi Monk
It wasn't a compliment nor an insult. I was just stating the obvious facts.

Since you aren't a follower of the 51st or 52nd (or the 53rd-whoever it is), this whole discussion doesn't concern you. And a reader can filter them accordingly.
Most of the people commenting here aren't followers of the 51st or 52nd, and some are neither Dawoodi Bohras. Thus, topics are always diverted.

you can consider me not a follower of 51 and 52dai I dont mind, but can you say if MS is follower of Imam Ali and Imam Hussain?

do you see his life and his behavior as follower of ahlul bayt?

this is major thing to consider and think about, our shia ideals are ahlul bayt and none else

[alam]

Adam
It's not for you or anyone else to judge and make assumptions with lists of who is a follower of whom. No need to get personal on this forum and categorize people in this morally superior style - you are no judge jury or God.

So stop this bullying and intimidating behavior.

[kimanumanu]

One question to you Adam:

When did you stop believing in the Mazoon?

[MMH]

Adam- thanks for your detailed msg, I am a staunch believer of my Mohammed Burhanuddin Moula. Also, despite your detailed message, there are too many gaps in the whole scenario...for starters, no where was it mentioned that Jafar us Saadiq b.s was present in London at the time of the Nass. How did he come up? I will come back to you with my issue with the entire nass episode, first answer me about Jaafar Us Saadiq b.s.

[reluctantreligist]

On a lighter note i have a small question.The all high and mighty ghaib na jaankara have a golden chance to do some global service by telling the location of the lost MALAYSIAN AIRCRAFT MH370.It could perhaps save the concerned countries millions of dollars,and very importantly establish their credentials in the PDB and outside the bohra community too, AND AS SUDDENLY AS THE MOJIZA OF SMB NASS has come up.this mojiza will nail it for them.the time is apt.

[MMH]

Shehzada Qaid Johar Bhaisaheb then said that I too have a secret to tell which in ordinary circumstances I would not have revealed. Some time back our Bawaji Saheb (Exalted father) called Shehzada Malikul Ashtar and me to his room in London. He then informed us that he was handing the trusteeship of the Imaam vested in him to Mufaddal bhai. Maula in appropriate words indicated to us that he was appointing Mufaddal bhai as his heir and was doing Nas. He told us that we should reveal this to everyone only when he would wear his last earthly garments (post his death).

If Aqa Moula had indeed said what I have highlighted in red, why was the London Nass done, why was there a public nass in Raudat Tahera? Why was there a reason for so many versions to come up after Moula's death?

[natkhat pari]

[colorh=#FF0000][/color]Hello
I am confused in last part of video when QJ bs is salam to Ms bs he say please dont do this
Quote" ghanu muskil thayejase ame na karu"what is muskil to be apointed mansoos

[Ummehani52]

I think the words were "Ghanu mushkil laage Che..." From what I gather, it is because for all these years SMS has been doing salaam to QJ as his elder brother and all of a sudden, QJ was doing salaam to him... If you had an elder brother and you've paid your utmost to respect to him since your birth and all of a sudden he does salaam to you and bows his head down to you then it's expected to feel hard... Emotionally.

[natkhat pari]

Ms bs was presented dairy may be 4 - 5 years back waspreaped for upcoming responsibity was informed about nass at boman house by Qj bs ther he is praying ya ali "ya ali" in hospital he say " ghanu muslel thaygase" is

[natkhat pari]

I recalled the events ms bs not felling well resting at boman house Qj bs break nass news ms bs put hand on" forehaed say " ya ali ya ali" bure din anewal hai bure din anewale hai

[AgnosticIndian]

@Adam

Was an Abde earlier, invariable did viarat of STS twice a year including last year. In fact I will probably go pretty soon as well as both business & family reasons take me to mumbai pretty often.

I just stopped having faith in any religion and am a societal or cultural Bohra if you will. My folks are staunch followers of MS. My interest in the case is academic more like trying to analyse the moves,motives etc.

KQ or MS being 53rd or either of them having tht it own sects or whatever makes no difference to me.

[anajmi]

On a lighter note i have a small question.The all high and mighty ghaib na jaankara have a golden chance to do some global service by telling the location of the lost MALAYSIAN AIRCRAFT MH370.It could perhaps save the concerned countries millions of dollars,and very importantly establish their credentials in the PDB and outside the bohra community too, AND AS SUDDENLY AS THE MOJIZA OF SMB NASS has come up.this mojiza will nail it for them.the time is apt.

The standard abde response for Maula's ignorance in ghaib ni jaankari is - Aato Maula ni hikmat che.