After Burhan, what will happen

[anajmi]

porus,

On the other hand, are you certain that you will go to heaven or do you have faith that you will?

If I have faith that I will go to heaven does it mean that I am uncertain that I will go to heaven? Not only Arabic but you don't seem to understand English either. Which English dictionary do you use?

If I say that I have faith in Syedna does it mean that I am uncertain about the Syedna? If I say that I have faith in the progressive movement, does it mean that I am uncertain about the progressive movement? If your wife says she has faith in you or if you say you have faith in your wife what does that mean?

You put forward an idiotic theory and then to support your theory you start changing the meanings of words. This isn't the first time that we are seeing this.

he, with absolute authority and certainty, tells that porus does not understand the Quran,

Actually, I didn't say that. I am just certifying what you've said all along. You said that the door to understanding the quran closed after the death of the prophet. Hence you said that it is impossible to understand the quran. Hence I keep repeating your own theory that, since you said that it is impossible to understand the quran, you haven't understood the quran. I even asked you in my previous post if you want to withdraw that statement of yours. Do you?

Al Zulfikar,

I can understand your pain. But it is time you stopped complaining like a baby.

[porus]

anajmi, you idiot,

I have said that we do not have access to the original Quran and what we have, the Uthmani Quran edited by humans, could only be authentically explained by Prophet, who is no longer with us. And we cannot be sure ih the Prophet would agree that the Quran we have is the one that was revealed to him.

So, we are left with what we have and try to understand it the best we can.

I agree with al-Zulfiqar. This has gone long enough.

[anajmi]

porus,

This is my last post on this topic. I will spare the rest of the folks your psycho babble.

Here is what you said in an earlier post

In 2:4 two words are used. 'Yuminoona' and 'Yuqinoona'. I agree with esteemed commentators, who must remain nameless (because the fanatic will insult them too. They include the greatest of Shia Imams), that every word in Quran is placed there because no other would do. (I will elaborate on this if any one, except the arrogant fanatic, is interested).

And now you say - what we have, the Uthmani Quran edited by humans

That's all.

[jamanpasand]

This is my last post on this topic.

Let us see if this joker keeps to his words or
start his shit on another thread.

[seeker110]

Why is it that people like Anajmi and I am sure there are a lot of them,always try to force their understanding of a belief system upon others.Is it because he doesnt want to be a small minority who gets go to the right place,after death ofcource.Or is it he feels the protection of large number.Its like walking in a jaloos.One just goes with the follow.Just imagine if USA had a wahabi present.I think that person would kill everybody who did not convert,dont you think.
So my take is that Anajmi should hide his janat ticket before he looses it to the masses.

[Al Zulfiqar]

When i "requested" anajmi and porus to take their arguments to a new topic thread where they can continue their unending tedious and petty bickering and leave the rest of us in peace, he responded by calling it 'cry baby'..!

i wonder what his behaviour must be termed as, a spoilt child's tantrums when it wants attention or a stupid insistence to involve uninterested bystanders in his pvt quarrels?

there is a saying," when u gift somebody an inch and they demand a yard, then its time they were given the 'foot'.."

i request admin to please moderate topics and disallow/delete posts which do not relate directly to the original subject matter.

[jamanpasand]

i request admin to please moderate topics and disallow/delete posts which do not relate directly to the original subject matter.

There are hardly topics in which the majority posts directly or indirectly relates to the original topic. Chookra Anajmi will steal the topic for his scholarly Wahabi doctrine. This guy has nothing in life except to spend time on this board. All he has learned is a copy and paste technique. An uneducated freak would not even worth a spit.
This guy should be send to some rehab hospital. I am willing to chip in for medical bill.

[Muslim First]

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Br Porus Wrote

Another hint, given by highly esteemed commentators, is that Quran is mostly allegorical and its batin and taawil has to be extracted by devotion and study.

It has been 1400+ years since Islam was founded. I am sure quite a few scholars must have extrated batin and taawil after much devotion and study. I am sure you must have access to few of them. Can we have one sample of Al-Ikhlas

JAK and Wasalaam
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[porus]

Br MF,

Indeed, I do have access to taawil bayans of al-Ikhlas from several illustrious people. I am not going to publish them, not even a sample.

But, I daresay, you will be able to find the same resource if you search for yourself.

[Muslim First]

Br. Porus
I googled 'Taawil of Al-Ikhlas'.

Hit blank. Help me with additional reserch tips.

I would love to read it.

Wasalaam

[anajmi]

Br. Muslim First,

There is no point in reading the taawil of the quran. According to porus what we have is the Uthmani quran edited by humans. Hence every taawil by any illustrious or not so illustrious scholars has been invalidated. Searching for taawil in a quran edited by humans is like searching for taawil in "The Godfather" by Mario Puzo. I applaud porus' decision to not post these fabrications anymore.

[Muslim First]

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Good catch Br. Anajmi;

Shifty people. Once I posted something about Gibreal making mistake of bringing Qur'an to Prophet. Br. Porus din't like it.

Its OK for him to spew out unsupported garbage like

I have said that we do not have access to the original Quran and what we have, the Uthmani Quran edited by humans, could only be authentically explained by Prophet, who is no longer with us. And we cannot be sure ih the Prophet would agree that the Quran we have is the one that was revealed to him.

Wasalaam
.

[porus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_and ... the_Qur'an

Fanatics who do not agree with the article should try changing it. They will have peer verification.

MF,

I thought that you had retracted that 'Jibrail's mistake' comment. I see you haven't. Shame on you. I knew the reason why you wanted reference to Taawil bayans was so you can dismiss them with contempt. So, you won't have it from me.

Also,the bigoted fanatic could not keep away, could he? 'My last post' indeed.

As Humsafar pointed out, Bohras lack Quran-consciousness. That is why there is no contribution from them on this subject. We have two Sunni bigots being contemptible about their religion and they are unable to respond judiciously.

[anajmi]

In 2:4 two words are used. 'Yuminoona' and 'Yuqinoona'. I agree with esteemed commentators, who must remain nameless (because the fanatic will insult them too. They include the greatest of Shia Imams), that every word in Quran is placed there because no other would do. (I will elaborate on this if any one, except the arrogant fanatic, is interested).

Not sure what these esteemed commentators or the greatest of Shia Imams were smoking but before they did, they should've read the link provided above. Either that or our esteemed participant, brother porus is high.

[anajmi]

porus,

You of all people should know that unless you have this so called "original" quran in your hand, you cannot be certain that the quran you have in your hand is a modified version. You simply believe that it is the modified one. Now, belief is actually weaker than faith which is weaker than certainty. Faith implies uncertainty, hence belief would imply even more uncertainty. Besides, if your belief is based on an article in wikipedia, the degree of uncertainty would actually increase a notch.

Now, I have a choice to make, do I stake my "The End" on wikipedia or do I stake it on the promise of Allah in the quran to preserve it?

[Muslim First]

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Br. Porus

I am still searching for source of 'Jibrail's mistake' Comment. I have heard and read it more then once.

If I had made statement regarding "Original Qur'an", you would have been jumping all over me.

Shias will never 'Shed' Taqiya. They have proverbial "Teeth for Show and Teeth to chew".

'bigoted fanatic'=Cheap Shot.

I hope you will help me with Batin & Tawil of Al-Iklas.