Ismali Faith as per Yasmin

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Yasmin,<p>I grant you that Aga Khan may drink and gamble and will have absolutely no effect on his followers. This is "porcine aviation".<p>TUS is abbreviation for "Tawwal-allah Umra-hu as-Shareef". Translated as "May God lengthen his noble life".

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yasmin is not a ismaili, neither is she ex-ismaili. I can bet on this becasue i am ismaili. she is just pasting all anti-shia or anti-ismaili propoganda in sweet manner. But if you guys want to just have fun and satisfy your slef by geting some wrong answers from a fake ismaili then its fine. neither yasmin nor the thoughts of yasmin represent ismailism. If you really want to get some knowledge about ismailism then go to the official web site of ismailies http://www.akdn.org/, or www.iis.ac.uk<p>Or if you guys wants to have fun and satisfy yourself from some answer by some fake ismaili (The answers given by her may make u feel happy. but are they true?) then she is the right laddy for self ego boost

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<br>Salim<p>Can you point me to a site which shows What is Aga Khanism?<p>What are their belief?<p>Who is their God?<p>How do they worship Him?<p>Peace<p>

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dear Muslim First(Yasmeen),<br>http://www.akdn.org/, or www.iis.ac.uk<br>these are the agakhani websites. Muslim First I like your thirst for knowledge, some of your recent posts says that u are a sunni who is more incline towards sufism rather then wahabism. May allah guide as to siratal mustakim. Ameen

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Wheter Yasmin is Ismaili or not, I have verified with my Ismaili friends that what Yasmin has written in her posts regarding Isamaili beliefs and practices is completely true.

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Dear Yasmin,<br>Would be kind enough to point out something only a follower of the HI would be able to point out. This may clear any doubts that you are or are not a follower of him.<p>From your writings, I believe you are. I know many Agha Khannis...all of them drink or smoke (most don't do both)...but all are very kind people. All are not particularly religious (from my view point) but are very humanistic overall..which is an credit to Agha Khanis. I write this not a slander type statement, but a fact from those that I know, they are friends of the family. I know some bohras that drink and smoke as well, so it is not a point of namely calling.

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Salim,<br>Are you ismaili? <p>Frankly, I do not care! <br>Why is this important to you?<p>What should be important is that we(ismailis) are different from the likes of muslim first & qiyams of this world!<p>There is no Taqiyya in the west! <br>Assert yourself and your beliefs and speak out against those whose allah is all about barbarism and obscurantism!<p>Did you read my comments re YASMIN posted 08-13-2002 12:32 AM ET (US)! I suggest you read it again! <p>I disagreed with her on certain points.<br>I also had issue with her comments re: alcoholism but she is an individual expressing her points as an individual.<p>NOTE:<br>=====<br>You have more to be concerned with chaps like qiyam, muslim first here than with yasmin! <p>Tell me - what offended you more?<br>What qiyam has written in his last post or what yasmin has?<p>Btw qiyam,<br>I consider your comments a PROVOCATION and a slander. What a silly excuse for a human being!<br>

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Dear Yasmin,<br>I should clarify my request..since you pointed out an event at the JK in Toronto. I was refering to something of belief or faith..in particular. Example: only a bohra would know what Raudat Tahera is and what it reference.<p>If after that...it would be hard to dispute your standing in the community.

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Dear Hafeez,<br>What exactly is your problem? Are you so insecure in your understanding of the teaching of Agha Khan or your community..that all you can do is riducule others from your view point?<p>You are not in a battle with bohra, sunnis, shias. We trying to understand each others beliefs. You can't grasp that concept obviously.<p>Before responding with an intelligent answer with some thought behind it... you'll begin the name calling act. Well, it's a joke...<p>"I consider your comments a PROVOCATION and a slander. What a silly excuse for a human being!"<p>---Nobody asked you the question or for a comment...get some manners. Its the truth what I wrote...like it or not. Just as the part of the bohras is the truth!<p>Doesn't it bother you Hafeez that the one you mock, me, knows more about the beliefs of Agha Khan than you? You can support the HI all you want...but you practice little of his teaching...see your last response to Salim who is your brother in faith.<br>

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Qiyam,<p>This is what I am referring to:<p>Per Qiyam:<br>========<br>"I know many Agha Khannis...all of them drink or smoke (most don't do both)...but all are very kind people. All are not particularly religious (from my view point) but are very humanistic overall..which is an credit to Agha Khanis. I write this not a slander type statement, but a fact from those that I know, they are friends of the family. I know some bohras that drink and smoke as well, so it is not a point of namely calling."<p>That is why I called you a pathetic excuse of a human being! <p>Obviously, you fail to see the point that one cannot slander and then claim to be "trying to understand". Unless that is the mind-set of a mullah!<p><p><p><p><p>I am not sure where exactly you get the notion that I am insecure! I do not refer to sunni book of hadiths to explain my faith, you do!<p>

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Dear bro,<p> Most of the ismailies neither drink nor smoke, but if you have ismaili friend that do this that means u have bad company. Allahamdolillah I neither smoke nor I drink. I know most of my other ismaili friends they neither smoke nor drink. <p>I feel there are two reasons for which one comes to this website<p>1. To satisfy himself by claiming others as bad or at least by claiming he/she is better then others.<p>2. In search of true knowledge.<p> Most of us are here, for both the reasons. Most of us will have good knowledge of other religions. We all should agree that no religion teaches to drink or smoke. We must not call each other kafirs or non-Muslims. Only Allah knows the truth. May be according to him all are true. There are millions of Ismailies who follow Aga khan. Now its not possible that all of the ismailies have less IQ then those here in the form. This is same for all other religions also. If I am not getting spiritual satisfaction from ismaili religion then I will quit ismailism, but I am still with ismailism that means I am getting the spiritual support and satisfaction what I need and this is same with all religion. Yasmin related lots of un-ethical things with ismailism. All religion teaches peace and moral values. If some religion is not teaching that then it won’t last more then a decade. If you really want to know about ismailism go and search on this web sites www.akdn.org or www.iis.ac.uk. <br>Instead of claiming others wrong I feel that it’s better to pray to Allah to guide all of as to the right path. Allah has promised in quran, rewards for non-Muslims who believe in god and humanity. We should not judge Iman of others, who are right and who are wrong Allah knows the best. There are good and bad people in every community. No religion teaches bad things. <br>

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Dear Hafeez and Salim,<br>As I stated...I made the statement of my Agha Khanis friends that drink or smoke to add to the statement that Yasmin made that Agha Khannis do drink and smoke. It is something allowed...though not encouraged by the Agha Khan. Neither one of us said it was rule with all Agha Khanni. You've both assumed too much!!!<p>This is why I included the example of the bohras I know that drink and smoke. Islam doesn't allow any drinking (unless for medicine) or smoking at all. This is not the Agha Khanni...though I know it is not encouraged as well. I used it as an example to show Yasmin's honesty in her statement.<p>My company of Agha Khannis, Br. Salim, are the most faithful followers of HI that one could imagine. Two of them are prolific qawwali and poets of the praises of HI. But one smokes and the other drinks (not a drunkard). But they are also a very simple, kind people.<p>If either one of you had read the entire post you would have understood the context of the statements I made. Neither did though. Otherwise you wouldn't have thought it was a provocation.<p>Dear Hafeez,<br>You don't refer to any book to support your faith...and rarely refer to the HI to support your faith. All you do is mock others with misused catch phrases. When responding to you, I have time and again quoted from Ismaili sources..even the HI himself. You have done little in this regards. It is hypocritical to mock me and not apply the same standard to yourself.

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Dear Salim,<p>I feel there are two reasons for which one comes to this website<p>1. To satisfy himself by claiming others as bad or at least by claiming he/she is better then others.<p>2. In search of true knowledge.<p>---If I have done the first to anyone...I apologize..it was not my intent. But I also will not just accept without a certain veracity of proof or teaching. I will nor more accept the teaching MuslimFirst or Anajmi preach than that of Hafeez or yourself. I am constantly asked to prove my beliefs. I try my best to ascertain the origins of them. I have the right to ask of the others on this board the same. Unfortunately, I usually get blanket statements or am mocked.<p>The fact that I refer to Sunni, Twelver, Ismaili, Bohra, and Agha Khanni books should indicated I am looking in at all aspects. The fact that I reference Sunni Alims, Shiah Ayatullahs, Sayedna (tus), and the Agha Khan should show my sincerity. I would expect at least the same or not be mocked for it. <p>

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Qiyam,<p>So, now you are blaming yasmeen for what you wrote! I mean - man, show some backbone or integrity! <p>And, what CONTEXT was their in your earlier tirade of today at 3:54 pm. Here I will re-post it:<p>"Per Qiyam:<br>========<br>"I know many Agha Khannis...all of them drink or smoke (most don't do both)...but all are very kind people. All are not particularly religious (from my view point) but are very humanistic overall..which is an credit to Agha Khanis. I write this not a slander type statement, but a fact from those that I know, they are friends of the family. I know some bohras that drink and smoke as well, so it is not a point of namely calling."<p>Qiyam,<br>What context are you referring to? There is none!<p>Compare the above with what you have xplained now. It is like day & night!<p>Btw - I really do not care if you have ismaili friends. <br>And, again, I know not what point you make when you clearly had STABBED that friendship in the back with your attack against the ismaili imam & his tariqa that you along with the other sunni/wahabis had engaged in about a year +- ago and WHICH is why we were drawn to this site. <p>I still remember the vehemence that you had displayed! And, here you are speaking about the devoted ismaili friends of yours. That is supposed to do what?

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<br>Saalim<p>www.iis.ac.uk has everything about Aga Khanis except details of their religious practice, Their Holy Book, How do you pray, Do you fast if yes how long and when, Wording and meaning of prayers etc. etc.<p>It appears you guys are in Takiya and does not want to come out and open the books. If I was Aga Khani, I would not hasitate to put everything on web.<p>Mostmerciful.com has more religious material then on Aga Khani site.<p>Go over and reanswer all the questions Yasmin has answered.<p>Peace<p>

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MF<p>I believe yasmin has answered those questions that you refer to. The fact is our PILLARS are diferrent than yours and that is the way - it will be!<p>Yasmeen also has offended a few by her intro comments on the tariqa and of the Imam and later about her explanation of the alcohol issue. This is why doubts were raised in the minds of a few! <p>Speaking about answering questions:<br>Have you answered any of my questions on:<br>-how you can call yourself a religion of peace<br> or<br>-what proof in your DOGma that 'Your Islam' was revealed as a mercy to mankind<p>Maybe those are not important to you. <br>To us they are! It is useless to say the namaz and then keep the womenfolks in bondage!<br>

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Dear Hafeez,<br>Please excuse my bluntnance...but why do you try. You just don't get it. No matter what anyone tries...you just don't.<p>Firstly, I was writing in response to what Yasmin wrote...you might of guess that from the fact that the post was addressed to Yasmin in the context of what she had written and not to you or your posts.<p>"Btw - I really do not care if you have ismaili friends."<p>--NO ONE CARE IF YOU DO OR NOT. I didn't reply to you nor ask if you did care. You don't run this board.<br> <br>"And, again, I know not what point you make when you clearly had STABBED that friendship in the back with your attack against the ismaili imam & his tariqa that you along with the other sunni/wahabis had engaged in about a year +- ago and WHICH is why we were drawn to this site. I still remember the vehemence that you had displayed! And, here you are speaking about the devoted ismaili friends of yours. That is supposed to do what?" <p>---I neither attacked nor lied about the HI. I pointed out facts...whether you think they are insulting or not doesn't matter to me. You constantly mock the Dai (tus)and the kothar...yet know little about..let alone any facts. I also remember you not knowing or understanding any of the teachings that the HI taught...from his own speech. I remember you calling me names, misquoting me, and providely NO evidence for the belief you wrote...as you continue to do now. Secondly I am a shiah ismaili mustali muslim...and actually know the sources of what I believe and from where they originate. I also know the books of other sects of Islam...and refer to them to understand the belief of those sects based on them. Excuse me for broading my knowledge.

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there are many books published by IIS. you can buy them. more every I belive that "Values, not rituals are essence of religion". allah knows the best. Fiamanallah<br>

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Yes Br. Salim,<br>Books such as:<p>The Master and the Disciple: An Early Islamic Spiritual Dialogue.<br>Ja‘far b. Mansur al-Yaman<p>Early Shi'i Thought: The Teachings of Imam Muhammad al-Baqir.<p>Knowledge and Liberation: A Treatise on Philosophical Theology<p>Abu Ya`qub al-Sijistani: Intellectual Missionary<p>Fatimids and Their Traditions of Learning<p>According to this book and the statements of the HI you will see that values and ritual both go hand in hand. You cannot have one and not the other.

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u r right, both should go hand in hand. What i mean was ritual may change but not the values. Thats my personal point of view.

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MF, <br> u can get some help from this sites. <br>http://www.akdn.org/hh/highness.html<br ... html<br>we are more like sufi tariqa, in which u need to learn a lot to understand, and there are different stages of learning. I feel that no religion is wrong. Allah knows the best.

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Dear Br. Salim,<br>"u r right, both should go hand in hand. What i mean was ritual may change but not the values. Thats my personal point of view."<p>--I thank you for your honesty. If this is your stance (Agha Khanni) this is fine. I understand why you believe this..and hope you understand why bohras practice what they do. But unlike Hafeez, you didn't say I was wrong in my belief and that I was stuck in the 7th century. Maybe he could learn from you. That is what this sectio of the board is for.

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Salim, How dare you call me a non-ismaili. I have done maadhan nu chhantaa when Hazar Imam was here in August 1992. I am a member of Baitul Khayaal Mandli and have aquired "bol" I hope you know what it means (utter). I am a member of upto the Noorani Mandli which goes in stages of Paanh Baar Saal, Life Dedication, Fidai and then Noorani.. I have also had the opportunity to do Dast Boosi to the Imam so check your trap before you open it. <br>I have mentioned it before and will reaffirm it, I am a staunch Ismaili who believes in the Tariqas and I don't care what the Imam does, to me it is important what He says. If tomorrow he marries a 19 yrs old, my faith will not be shaken, its what he preaches is of value and not what he practices.<br>In the end I will say: May Mowlana Hazar Imam forgive us our sins and bring Shanti in this world.<br>Ya Ali Madad.

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now i am sure u r not ismaili and if i am wrong and u r ismaili then u need to get some knowledge from tariqa board. Allah knows the best

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Dear Yasmin,<br>I'll say Ameen to that! <p><br>

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What is this knowledge from the tariqa board that you are talking about that I don't possess?. What is it that is untrue and makes you think I am a non-Ismaili. Do you go to Porodiye regularly? Are you a member of Baitul Khayaal? Please do some bandagi and gain some spritual fulfillment. AH.<br>

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Hafeez, can you give this salim's head a little shake. Please.

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yasmin(Muslim First) u r creating fitna by asking hafiz to fight with me. I am not gonna fight with him, he is my bro.

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what do u mean by this hafiz: -<p>"And, again, I know not what point you make when you clearly had STABBED that friendship in the back with your attack against the ismaili imam & his tariqa that you along with the other sunni/wahabis had engaged in about a year +- ago and WHICH is why we were drawn to this site. I still remember the vehemence that you had displayed! And, here you are speaking about the devoted ismaili friends of yours. That is supposed to do what?" <p>please explain.

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Yasmin,<p>why is it unimportant to you what your Imam practices? I am fascinated that you can believe in and have such utter faith in his spoken word, but that you don't need your belief in him confirmed by his own actions.<p>If I misunderstood what you said, please clarify. Also, if the Imam as a living example is not your source of faith (because his actions are unimportant), then what is the source of your faith in him and in the Aga Khani philosophy?<p>thanks