The 48th to the 49th Imam..descendency???

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Butthead,<p>Brother Qiyam may be loosing it but you've already lost it.<p>Ariel Sharon has as much to do with this conversation as this Melchi guy. However one needs to have brains to understand what I am trying to say. And since it is public knowledge that you have none, I don't expect you to.

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Dear Nizari,<br>I did correct myself. Seth is the son of Adam..Shem is the son of Noah.<p>"It would appear as if he had no parents because he was the oldest man during that time, generations would pass, but Shem would still be there."<p>---This is your weakest point yet. Who is writing the book of Hebrews...supposedly it is inspired by God. Is God guessing at who He is talking about? Does God not know the difference between His servant Shem having and not having parents. Why would the statement even be there..if Abraham is a descendant of Shem..I'm sure Abraham knew Shem (his forefather) had parents or not. Again, no where in the bible is Melchezidek equated with Shem (other than in paranthese you put in). You have nothing to base your view on to begin with.<br>

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Qiyam and his babble...<p>same old thing every day

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God didnt write the book of hebrews.<p>It was written by Paul who used information from other Jewish sources in writing it.<p>So as i said, Shem was the oldest man at a time, and it appeared to his younger contemporaries that he had no parents since generations would pass, but he would remain.

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Abraham did know Shem<p>that is why he went to be blessed by him and paid him tithes.<p>Melchizedek/Shem is the only person who's superiority has been acknowledged by Abraham.

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Nizari,<br>Firstly, you have nothing stating they are the same...except your guess. So once you get something actual..let us know.<p>Secondly, if Paul can be wrong about the geneology of Shem...stating that he had no mother or father...well then he can be wrong about Melchezidek..as well as everything in every book he wrote. Christians consider the books "God inspired". It's the excuse they use to call the bible the "word of God".<p>And by the ways...Jews don't honor the New Testament...so the book of Hebrews is a false book according to Jews.

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Paul is not wrong about Melchizedek<br>the Nag Hammadi and the Dead Sea Scrolls also confirm Paul's belief about Melchizedek.<p>That is my reason for believing it.<br>I do not believe the NT is God inspired at all. It is merely a historical document written in the point of view of certain individuals.

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Nizari,<br>Paul writes nothing about Shem being Melchezidek...so why would he be wrong. It is you inferring they are the same.<p>The Dead Scrolls or Nag Hammadi only prove either Paul had know idea about the actual ancestry of Melchedizek or knew nothing about Shem's ancestry. Paul clearly says Melchizedek had no ancestry...yet he clearly knew the ancestry of Jesus going back to Adam from Genesis, which included Shem. Paul knew the difference between Shem and Melchezidek..it is you who doesn't.

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Because of Qiyam's lack of intellectual understanding, i will explain everything again.<p>In Genesis we see Abraham paying tithes to Melchizedek - The King of Salem and Priest of the Most High God.<p>In hebrews, we see Paul describing Melchizedek as an eternal priest and having no genealogy.<p>Jewish sources including Torah commentaries and the book of Jasher, and the writings of Abraham, assert that Shem is Melchizedek. In Genesis Shem is also referred to as the High Priest.<p>The question - why did Paul (and many others) believe that Melchizedek had no ancestry.<p>The answer - Shem lived well into the time of Abraham. Shem was the oldest human during this time. Therefore it appeared to all born after the flood that Shem had no parents because he was generations older than most ppl and no one would have ever seen his parents.<p>Therefore Shem is Melchizedek, ancestor of Abraham, and Abraham's initiator.

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Let explain everything regardin actual thing so the Nizari may actually learning something:<p>In Genesis we see Abraham paying tithes to Melchizedek - The King of Salem and Priest of the Most High God.<p>---This happened in the New Testament via Paul's epistle HEBREWS 7:1<p>In hebrews, we see Paul describing Melchizedek as an eternal priest and having no genealogy.<p>---Yes, in HEBREWS 7:3.<p>Jewish sources including Torah commentaries and the book of Jasher, and the writings of Abraham, assert that Shem is Melchizedek. In Genesis Shem is also referred to as the High Priest.<p>---Jews nor Christian recognize the book of Jasher as a authentic book. Shem is recognized as a high priest...he was also only recognized as SHEM.<p>"The question - why did Paul (and many others) believe that Melchizedek had no ancestry.<p>The answer - Shem lived well into the time of Abraham. Shem was the oldest human during this time. Therefore it appeared to all born after the flood that Shem had no parents because he was generations older than most ppl and no one would have ever seen his parents."<p>---Nothing in the Bible eludes to this. Paul knew the ancestry of Abraham, all the way back to Adam. Further in Hebrews it states that the priestly order of Melchezedik was different from that of Abraham or Levite order. Shem was from the same order of priests as Abraham. <p>If Melchezedik was Shem...why would he confuse the two. It wasn't like Paul was living in the time of Abraham...that he should mistake the two. To add why use the name Melchezedik if it was Shem. Secondly, all of this was taught to him by Jesus. Was Jesus confused? Did not Paul read the book of Genesis.<p>Nizari, this is entirely your hypothesis...which has many holes in it. The biggest being that no where in the Bible is Melchezedik compared in anyways to Shem.

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I would like to provide an anlogy of butthead's argument.<p>My mother's name is Saeeda. My friend's Mother who lives in Russia also has the name Saeeda, so I and my friend must be the same person!!!!! hohohohohohoh

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Dear Anajmi,<br>It actually worse than that. It is more like your mother is old and lives at home...and your friend's mother is old and live at home. Names don't have to match.

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