Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Mkenya wrote:DB-Londoner
Thank you for establishing a new 'low'.
Ouch! That hurt.

And how 'low' will you get?

alam wrote:Another backdrop to this udaipur thing that messages are floating around that 50-60% of the udaipur youth have given misaaq to Ali Qadr.
Anybody can share validity to this?

alam wrote:Another backdrop to this udaipur thing that messages are floating around that 50-60% of the udaipur youth have given misaaq to Ali Qadr.
Anybody can share validity to this?

Humsafar wrote:

alam wrote:Another backdrop to this udaipur thing that messages are floating around that 50-60% of the udaipur youth have given misaaq to Ali Qadr.
Anybody can share validity to this?

There is no truth in this. As fas as I know, not a single person has crossed over. We've to be aware that the Kothar has a huge propaganda machinery: when they did not succeed with the "negotiation" lies, they are spreading other lies. Whatever the mafia clergy says must be taken with a sackful of salt. Still better, it must not be considered at all because too much salt can kill you. I'm not a doctor, but I somehow know.

DB-L, the reformist population in Udaipur must be around five thousand. We still hold most of the properties, masjids, jamatkhana etc.

Humsafar wrote:

alam wrote:Another backdrop to this udaipur thing that messages are floating around that 50-60% of the udaipur youth have given misaaq to Ali Qadr.
Anybody can share validity to this?

There is no truth in this. As fas as I know, not a single person has crossed over. We've to be aware that the Kothar has a huge propaganda machinery: when they did not succeed with the "negotiation" lies, they are spreading other lies.

DB-Londoner wrote:Thank you for the info dude - are you in Udaipur yourself?
What is the DB population there?How large a proportion is the Reformist Jamaat? Are more and more people coming over from the other side or not?

Humsafar wrote:Yes, this has always been the case. The Bohras live in an Orwellian world, where lie is truth, defeat victory, night day, and so on. Blind abdes can be relied upon to echo their Master's Voice.

think wrote:The kothar system needs to be reformed. Too much power corrupts. Arrogant and ignorant bohras have given this clergy too much power , so they have exploited them to the fullest and made the mumineens homes their homes. every time i attend a db gathering the topic is how is the dai's health ,where is he, what did he eat ,where is muffy going next, where can be the next moharram tamasha, etc. etc etc.

DB-Londoner wrote:

think wrote:In my neck of the woods in the west, this is the situation of the young ones. Their mothers gave first preference to madrassa and second to school. They are now mediocre at that. Their only social life is attending every majlis there is and one knows that, to brainwash abdes these majlises are held every second day. Ofcourse free food is another attraction for them . They are smart and intelligent but that has now turned into cunningness. Logical argument is way beyond.

I'll ask again bro... what is your neck of the woods? What Jammat are you talking about? Are you a Reformist just hearing rumours, or are you a member who is seeing this first hand?

Madrassa is during the evenings and weekends so does not take any time away from kids regular school time-table. Also madrassa is only for small children and is usually finished by the time they are sitting important exams and going to university.

Most Western countries have rules and regulations regarding schooling - you need permission to take time off for long periods, otherwise the relevant authorities can, and do, enforce harsh punishments on the parents. If there is any reason why a childs education is suffering, they most certainly will investigate, and put a stop to it.

If what you're saying is true, then this could be a legitimate angle of attack against the Kothar - please give us all the details you know, so we can look at how action can be taken.