Iraq
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American officer shoots 56-year-old Iraqi woman to death in her home early Thursday.
US forces shot and killed a 56-year-old Iraqi woman when they invaded her home to search it Thursday morning.
The correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam in Hit reported the chilcren of al-Hajjah Umm Khattab as saying that US forces on Thursday morning raided their neighborhood as they habitually do on their searches every week or so. “They stormed our family home,â€
US forces shot and killed a 56-year-old Iraqi woman when they invaded her home to search it Thursday morning.
The correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam in Hit reported the chilcren of al-Hajjah Umm Khattab as saying that US forces on Thursday morning raided their neighborhood as they habitually do on their searches every week or so. “They stormed our family home,â€
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Chavez Takes Bush to Task Over Iraq War
When he finally stopped, he got what observers said was the loudest applause of the summit.
When he finally stopped, he got what observers said was the loudest applause of the summit.
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Two Britons held in Iraq for firing at police
Two British "undercover" soldiers, dressed as Arabs, fire on the Iraqi police. Had they not been caught, this would have been reported as "insurgents" attacking the police.
It is now obvious that the oppressors are trying to start a civil war in Iraq.
Two British "undercover" soldiers, dressed as Arabs, fire on the Iraqi police. Had they not been caught, this would have been reported as "insurgents" attacking the police.
It is now obvious that the oppressors are trying to start a civil war in Iraq.
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Why did Miller go to jail? I'll tell you.
"Because it is a logical fallacy to try and disprove a negative, the WMD claim was a great myth. It could be later said after the war, that is was a "mistake" rather than a lie. Also there was no way for Iraq to prove they didn't have something. That's why the burden of prove is supposed to be on the party making the assertion of a positive not a negative. I don't have to prove unicorns don't exist in Virginia, you would have to prove that they do, the default setting is that they don't until proven otherwise. But with Iraq the default setting was they had WMDs even though no one had ever seen them and there was no physical evidence for them."
"Because it is a logical fallacy to try and disprove a negative, the WMD claim was a great myth. It could be later said after the war, that is was a "mistake" rather than a lie. Also there was no way for Iraq to prove they didn't have something. That's why the burden of prove is supposed to be on the party making the assertion of a positive not a negative. I don't have to prove unicorns don't exist in Virginia, you would have to prove that they do, the default setting is that they don't until proven otherwise. But with Iraq the default setting was they had WMDs even though no one had ever seen them and there was no physical evidence for them."
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Bush White House declares torture vital to US security policy
What is it called when Saddam tortures - ? torture
What is it called when Americans torture - ?
Americans do not torture!!
What is it called when Saddam tortures - ? torture
What is it called when Americans torture - ?
Americans do not torture!!
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Saddam may never come to trial: warning
Translation: Nobody found any proof that Saddam did any of the things the US claimed he did. WRH
Translation: Nobody found any proof that Saddam did any of the things the US claimed he did. WRH
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A Central Pillar of Iraq Policy Crumbling
Bush's administration has insisted that political progress would quell the insurgency. But the reverse may be true, U.S. analysts say.
U.S. analysts have to be the dumbest morons on earth. I analysed this the day after the war started - anajmi
Bush's administration has insisted that political progress would quell the insurgency. But the reverse may be true, U.S. analysts say.
U.S. analysts have to be the dumbest morons on earth. I analysed this the day after the war started - anajmi
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NEWS YOU WON'T FIND ON CNN
Kill! Kill! Kill!
Ex-Marine tells his story about US brutality in Iraq
By Middle East Online
10/06/05 "MEO" -- -- Former staff sergeant Jimmy Massey explains why
US faces bloody insurgency in Iraq.
PARIS - US military training has created troops so desensitised to
violence that battleground brutality in Iraq is rampant -- and has
helped fuel the bloody insurgency seen there today, a new book
released Thursday in France by a former Marine says.
Jimmy Massey, a former staff sergeant, said that the daily attacks
now doled out to US-led forces and Iraqi civilians are "because of
the brutality that the Iraqi people saw at the start of the
invasion."
In his book, " Kill! Kill! Kill!", he says he and other Marines in
his unit killed dozens of unarmed Iraqi civilians because of an
exaggerated sense of threat, and that they often experienced sexual-
type thrills doing so.
The book was being released first in France -- and in French --
because, he said, "I didn't find an American publisher."
The French journalist who helped him write the work, Natasha
Saulnier, said she believed the US companies were reluctant to touch
the book because its "controversial" nature threatened commercial
interests and the US public's image of their fighting forces.
Massey, who left Iraq in May 2003 shortly after US President George
W. Bush declared "mission accomplished", wrote the book after being
discharged from the Marines with a diagnosed case of post-trauma
stress syndrome.
"It's been a healing experience," he said. "It's allowed me to close
a lot of chapters and answer a lot of questions."
In the book, he claims he and a group of Marines were near Baghdad
when a group of 10 Iraqi men started to protest near them, yelling
out anti-US slogans. At the sound of a gunshot, he said he and his
men fired on the group, killing most of them, only to find out later
that none of them was armed.
He also recounts several episodes at checkpoints where civilian cars
failed to stop and their unarmed occupants were shot to death.
At one point he says he told an officer that the US military
campaign "resembles a genocide" and that "our only objective in Iraq
is petrol and profits."
Massey, a chubby-cheeked man with short hair and glasses, said in
the lobby bar of a Paris hotel that the casual violence exhibited by
him and his men was the deliberate result of combat training
approved by the very highest US authorities.
Later revelations of abuse by US soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison
and elsewhere were symptomatic of the breadth of the problem, Massey
said.
"Overall, we have to look at the (Bush) administration in terms of
responsibility for the atrocities and the murder at the
checkpoints," he said, questioning "the level of brutality instilled
in the Marines."
The briefings they received, he said, made US troops view "everyone
as a potential terrorist -- they put fear and panic into my Marines."
Although the target of criticism from serving members of the US
military -- some of whom see the book as score-settling by a
disgruntled Marine forced to leave the services -- Massey has
received significant interest in his book in France.
His next few days, he said, are to be spent being interviewed by
media outlets.
His publisher said that, while an English language version of the
book was still pending, a Spanish edition would be coming out early
next year.
Kill! Kill! Kill!
Ex-Marine tells his story about US brutality in Iraq
By Middle East Online
10/06/05 "MEO" -- -- Former staff sergeant Jimmy Massey explains why
US faces bloody insurgency in Iraq.
PARIS - US military training has created troops so desensitised to
violence that battleground brutality in Iraq is rampant -- and has
helped fuel the bloody insurgency seen there today, a new book
released Thursday in France by a former Marine says.
Jimmy Massey, a former staff sergeant, said that the daily attacks
now doled out to US-led forces and Iraqi civilians are "because of
the brutality that the Iraqi people saw at the start of the
invasion."
In his book, " Kill! Kill! Kill!", he says he and other Marines in
his unit killed dozens of unarmed Iraqi civilians because of an
exaggerated sense of threat, and that they often experienced sexual-
type thrills doing so.
The book was being released first in France -- and in French --
because, he said, "I didn't find an American publisher."
The French journalist who helped him write the work, Natasha
Saulnier, said she believed the US companies were reluctant to touch
the book because its "controversial" nature threatened commercial
interests and the US public's image of their fighting forces.
Massey, who left Iraq in May 2003 shortly after US President George
W. Bush declared "mission accomplished", wrote the book after being
discharged from the Marines with a diagnosed case of post-trauma
stress syndrome.
"It's been a healing experience," he said. "It's allowed me to close
a lot of chapters and answer a lot of questions."
In the book, he claims he and a group of Marines were near Baghdad
when a group of 10 Iraqi men started to protest near them, yelling
out anti-US slogans. At the sound of a gunshot, he said he and his
men fired on the group, killing most of them, only to find out later
that none of them was armed.
He also recounts several episodes at checkpoints where civilian cars
failed to stop and their unarmed occupants were shot to death.
At one point he says he told an officer that the US military
campaign "resembles a genocide" and that "our only objective in Iraq
is petrol and profits."
Massey, a chubby-cheeked man with short hair and glasses, said in
the lobby bar of a Paris hotel that the casual violence exhibited by
him and his men was the deliberate result of combat training
approved by the very highest US authorities.
Later revelations of abuse by US soldiers at the Abu Ghraib prison
and elsewhere were symptomatic of the breadth of the problem, Massey
said.
"Overall, we have to look at the (Bush) administration in terms of
responsibility for the atrocities and the murder at the
checkpoints," he said, questioning "the level of brutality instilled
in the Marines."
The briefings they received, he said, made US troops view "everyone
as a potential terrorist -- they put fear and panic into my Marines."
Although the target of criticism from serving members of the US
military -- some of whom see the book as score-settling by a
disgruntled Marine forced to leave the services -- Massey has
received significant interest in his book in France.
His next few days, he said, are to be spent being interviewed by
media outlets.
His publisher said that, while an English language version of the
book was still pending, a Spanish edition would be coming out early
next year.
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What the British Paper Independent is aying to-day:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... 319606.ece
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/mid ... 319606.ece
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Iraq Conflict Not Worth Fighting, Say Americans
They realize now that they are not getting any benefits out of the stolen oil.
They realize now that they are not getting any benefits out of the stolen oil.
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Iraq, Afghanistan on 'Failed States' Index
A "failing state" was described as one in which the government does not have effective control of its territory, is not perceived as legitimate by a significant portion of its population, does not provide domestic security or basic public services to its citizens and lacks a monopoly on the use of force.
The destruction of the world will be caused not by evil but by stupid - anajmi
A "failing state" was described as one in which the government does not have effective control of its territory, is not perceived as legitimate by a significant portion of its population, does not provide domestic security or basic public services to its citizens and lacks a monopoly on the use of force.
The destruction of the world will be caused not by evil but by stupid - anajmi
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‘Moderate’ vs. radical Islam
The demonizing of Islam after September 11 has gone far enough. We don’t have to be apologetic about Islam or fall for the American-inspired dialectic of ‘moderate’ and ‘radical’ Islam. As far as the Americans are concerned, any Muslim country toeing the American line is moderate. Any Muslim country standing up for itself is radical.
There is nothing wishy-washy about Islam. The essence of the faith as propagated by Muhammad, (Peace be upon him), is radical and revolutionary. Stripped off the time-serving interpretations of theologians (theologians being the bane of Islam) it stands for the empowerment of the weak, the humbling of the mighty, the liberation of women, government by consent and consultation, and bread, security, learning and hospitals for every citizen, high or low, of the Islamic commonwealth.
The Islam of the Prophet is a fusion (never attempted before or since) of two great principles, socialism and democracy. The spirit of this fusion was best expressed by Hazrat Omar when he said that even if a dog went hungry by the banks of the Euphrates (some distance from Makkah, the Islamic capital) Omar would have to answer for this on the Day of Judgment. And by Hazrat Ali when he said that a tyranny, even if covered in the mantle of Islam can never endure. There’s nothing ‘moderate’ about these thoughts. They are radical to the core.
The demonizing of Islam after September 11 has gone far enough. We don’t have to be apologetic about Islam or fall for the American-inspired dialectic of ‘moderate’ and ‘radical’ Islam. As far as the Americans are concerned, any Muslim country toeing the American line is moderate. Any Muslim country standing up for itself is radical.
There is nothing wishy-washy about Islam. The essence of the faith as propagated by Muhammad, (Peace be upon him), is radical and revolutionary. Stripped off the time-serving interpretations of theologians (theologians being the bane of Islam) it stands for the empowerment of the weak, the humbling of the mighty, the liberation of women, government by consent and consultation, and bread, security, learning and hospitals for every citizen, high or low, of the Islamic commonwealth.
The Islam of the Prophet is a fusion (never attempted before or since) of two great principles, socialism and democracy. The spirit of this fusion was best expressed by Hazrat Omar when he said that even if a dog went hungry by the banks of the Euphrates (some distance from Makkah, the Islamic capital) Omar would have to answer for this on the Day of Judgment. And by Hazrat Ali when he said that a tyranny, even if covered in the mantle of Islam can never endure. There’s nothing ‘moderate’ about these thoughts. They are radical to the core.
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Young Americans shaky on geographic smarts
Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 fared even worse with foreign locations: six in 10 couldn’t find Iraq, according to a Roper poll conducted for National Geographic.
Now imagine finding WMDs inside Iraq!!
Americans between the ages of 18 and 24 fared even worse with foreign locations: six in 10 couldn’t find Iraq, according to a Roper poll conducted for National Geographic.
Now imagine finding WMDs inside Iraq!!
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Iraqis Cheer Crash of British Helicopter
Imagine how much misery these two terrorist nations have caused in Iraq for these people to rejoice their deaths in this manner.
Imagine how much misery these two terrorist nations have caused in Iraq for these people to rejoice their deaths in this manner.
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Looting By Another Name
The Corporate Takeover of Iraq's Economy
By KEVIN ZEESE
The roots of the economic takeover of Iraq are long and deep. They became more aggressive after the strongest U.S. ally in the region, the Shah of Iran, was deposed in the 1979. The roots of the quest of dominance of the oil-rich region are found in both the Democratic and Republican Party, but the most aggressive pursuit has been
by George Bush.-----
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The Corporate Takeover of Iraq's Economy
By KEVIN ZEESE
The roots of the economic takeover of Iraq are long and deep. They became more aggressive after the strongest U.S. ally in the region, the Shah of Iran, was deposed in the 1979. The roots of the quest of dominance of the oil-rich region are found in both the Democratic and Republican Party, but the most aggressive pursuit has been
by George Bush.-----
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From hubris to humility...really??
Imagine how stupid you have to be to actually believe that there is an insurgency in Iraq because he said "bring em' on"!!
Imagine how stupid you have to be to actually believe that there is an insurgency in Iraq because he said "bring em' on"!!
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Military recruiters cited for misconduct
This is what they are doing to their very own Americans. Now imagine what they must be doing to the Iraqis.
This is what they are doing to their very own Americans. Now imagine what they must be doing to the Iraqis.
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WHouse downplays Iraq demonstrations
Since the Americans started this illegal and brutal war in Iraq, every time there is a protest against the Americans, these idiots have one and only one answer - "But Iraq, four years on, is now a place where people can freely gather and express their opinions. And that was something they could not do under Saddam,"
These people take the American population to be really stupid and that is clearly understandable cause most of them are, but what they fail to realize is that the reason they are in so much shit in Iraq is because they have consistently failed to acknowledge the plight of the people over there. The people of Iraq did not want the freedom to protest, they wanted their lives to be such that they wouldn't need to protest.
What use is the right to protest when they don't have food, clean water, electricity or an education to give to their children, which they did under Saddam? What use is the right to protest when their protests will actually bring no change because the Americans are completely blind to the plight of those whose lives they destroy? What use is the right to protest when the Americans will do exactly what their big oil corporations want and not what the people of Iraq want?
Since the Americans started this illegal and brutal war in Iraq, every time there is a protest against the Americans, these idiots have one and only one answer - "But Iraq, four years on, is now a place where people can freely gather and express their opinions. And that was something they could not do under Saddam,"
These people take the American population to be really stupid and that is clearly understandable cause most of them are, but what they fail to realize is that the reason they are in so much shit in Iraq is because they have consistently failed to acknowledge the plight of the people over there. The people of Iraq did not want the freedom to protest, they wanted their lives to be such that they wouldn't need to protest.
What use is the right to protest when they don't have food, clean water, electricity or an education to give to their children, which they did under Saddam? What use is the right to protest when their protests will actually bring no change because the Americans are completely blind to the plight of those whose lives they destroy? What use is the right to protest when the Americans will do exactly what their big oil corporations want and not what the people of Iraq want?
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Top Wolfowitz Postings Went to Iraq War Backers
Pressure grows on Wolfowitz in promotion scandal
These are the people that architected the war in Iraq called "Operation Iraqi Freedom".
And then the icing on the cake and this from the "Leader of the free world".
Bush backs Wolfowitz
"The president has confidence in Paul Wolfowitz and his work"
And what work is that, Leader of Morons?
Pressure grows on Wolfowitz in promotion scandal
These are the people that architected the war in Iraq called "Operation Iraqi Freedom".
And then the icing on the cake and this from the "Leader of the free world".
Bush backs Wolfowitz
"The president has confidence in Paul Wolfowitz and his work"
And what work is that, Leader of Morons?
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I am no fan of neocons and particularly Wolfowitz who was a big proponent of the Iraq war. The World Bank is yet another corrupt body of bureaucrats almost at par with the UN but more relevant and arguably more effective.
Having said that, the US is the largest donor of the World Bank with Germany and France a distant 2nd and 3rd. It also gets the right to appoint its President and its support of Wolfowitz is therefore understandable and expected.So any criticism of its backing of Wolfowitz must be followed by appreciation and recognition of the US's financing of the World Bank.
Having said that, the US is the largest donor of the World Bank with Germany and France a distant 2nd and 3rd. It also gets the right to appoint its President and its support of Wolfowitz is therefore understandable and expected.So any criticism of its backing of Wolfowitz must be followed by appreciation and recognition of the US's financing of the World Bank.
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The World Bank is simply a bank which lends money to other nations and then charges interest. US is the largest share holder. Some prefer to call it a "donor".
US makes the largest amount of money in interest.
One needs to know that the US doesn't donate money to anybody without any strings attached. It has been heard that the US is the largest donor, but the recipients always ends up paying more than they bargained for. Take a look at the middle east.
US makes the largest amount of money in interest.
One needs to know that the US doesn't donate money to anybody without any strings attached. It has been heard that the US is the largest donor, but the recipients always ends up paying more than they bargained for. Take a look at the middle east.
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The reason that recipients end up broke is because the loans often go to regimes with corrupt despots and dictators who pocket the money while the country ends up with the debt. It is ironic that Wolfowitz has been the one fighting to fix the corruption and change the rules, thereby making him unpopular long before this scandal. He has been blocking funding to corrupt regimes or countries where politicians have their hand in the jar (including India).
You are right, it does charge interest, that it why it is a “bank”.
You are right, it does charge interest, that it why it is a “bank”.
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Iraq refugee crisis hits "epic proportions"
World urged to share the burden of US misdeeds
[Heading made more appropriate by anajmi]
Iraq: Civilians bear the brunt of violence
Poverty and Fear Grips Iraqi Children
May those who have brought this upon the innocents in Iraq burn in hell forever.
World urged to share the burden of US misdeeds
[Heading made more appropriate by anajmi]
Iraq: Civilians bear the brunt of violence
Poverty and Fear Grips Iraqi Children
May those who have brought this upon the innocents in Iraq burn in hell forever.
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Halaku ab jo tum Baghdad aaoge
Halaku ab jo tum Baghdad aaoge
to sail-e-khoon se Dajlaa apne saahil dho chukaa hogaa
yahaaN ek aur lashkar, aatish-o-aahan ka lashkar chhaonii Daale paRaa hogaa
kaii sau saal se yeh shahar apnee be-sukuunee meN
kabhi soyaa na thaa,
so aaKhir so chukaa hogaa
Halaaku ab jo tum Baghdaad aaoge
yahaaN lasheN milengi, lekin unke sar naheeN honge
saroN kaa ek minaara tumhaare shahar meN aane se pahle ban chukaa hogaa
galii kooche saraayeN khaanqaaheN qahvaa-Khaane
apne saaye ke muqaabil haath phailaaye khaRe honge
kutub-khaanoN kii Khaakastar uRaayi jaa chukii hogii
navaadir boriyoN meN bat chuke hoNge
kalaam Allah ke naayaab nusKhe aur saheefe
ki jin ki deed se taareeKh kaa seenaa munavvar thaa
jalaaye jaa chuke hoNge
Halaku ab jo tum Baghdad aaoge
Alif Lailaa ki raateN daastaanoN se nikal kar
dhuup kii chaadar lapeTe ret ke TeeloN pe baiThii
qissa-goyoN taajiroN sahraanvardoN shaatiroN aur shahzaadgoN ka rastaa tak rahii hongii
(ki dekheN shahar meN kab raat aatee hai)
Halaaku ab jo tum Baghdad aaoge
Ali Baba ke sone ke Khariite, Khema-o-khargaah sab luT chuke honge
jahaaN ashwah taraaz-o-heela-gar Marjeena rahtii thii vahaan ek aur hii duniaa ke nau sar baaz baiThe haiN
yahaaN miTTii me jaduu hai, zamiin sonaa ugaltii hai
havaa meN tel ki buu hai
Halaaku ab jo tum Baghdad aaoge
to phir vaapas na jaaoge
(A nazm by Hasan Abdi)
Halaku ab jo tum Baghdad aaoge
to sail-e-khoon se Dajlaa apne saahil dho chukaa hogaa
yahaaN ek aur lashkar, aatish-o-aahan ka lashkar chhaonii Daale paRaa hogaa
kaii sau saal se yeh shahar apnee be-sukuunee meN
kabhi soyaa na thaa,
so aaKhir so chukaa hogaa
Halaaku ab jo tum Baghdaad aaoge
yahaaN lasheN milengi, lekin unke sar naheeN honge
saroN kaa ek minaara tumhaare shahar meN aane se pahle ban chukaa hogaa
galii kooche saraayeN khaanqaaheN qahvaa-Khaane
apne saaye ke muqaabil haath phailaaye khaRe honge
kutub-khaanoN kii Khaakastar uRaayi jaa chukii hogii
navaadir boriyoN meN bat chuke hoNge
kalaam Allah ke naayaab nusKhe aur saheefe
ki jin ki deed se taareeKh kaa seenaa munavvar thaa
jalaaye jaa chuke hoNge
Halaku ab jo tum Baghdad aaoge
Alif Lailaa ki raateN daastaanoN se nikal kar
dhuup kii chaadar lapeTe ret ke TeeloN pe baiThii
qissa-goyoN taajiroN sahraanvardoN shaatiroN aur shahzaadgoN ka rastaa tak rahii hongii
(ki dekheN shahar meN kab raat aatee hai)
Halaaku ab jo tum Baghdad aaoge
Ali Baba ke sone ke Khariite, Khema-o-khargaah sab luT chuke honge
jahaaN ashwah taraaz-o-heela-gar Marjeena rahtii thii vahaan ek aur hii duniaa ke nau sar baaz baiThe haiN
yahaaN miTTii me jaduu hai, zamiin sonaa ugaltii hai
havaa meN tel ki buu hai
Halaaku ab jo tum Baghdad aaoge
to phir vaapas na jaaoge
(A nazm by Hasan Abdi)