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Warning.. This video contains images which might cause distress, invoke hunger & a slight depression..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYoufkQ7X1w

only depressed mind projects depression every where-youn kutak mizxsy

Another depressing video by some Abde.. Watching the video, gives me the impression, this guy is a patriot & wants to show there isn't any differences between a bohra & hindu.. & not to forget, there looooooooove for food..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTriDby_ ... ideo_title

Noor Bhai Hasan Ali Nathani (Sodawaterwala) grave worshiping

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw5s-iBE ... re=related

Warning.. This video contains images which might cause you to do sajda, feet kissing and being to idol worship..

BooM wrote: Noor Bhai Hasan Ali Nathani (Sodawaterwala) grave worshiping

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw5s-iBE ... re=related

Warning.. This video contains images which might cause you to do sajda, feet kissing and being to idol worship..

which part of video shows grave worshiping?

What are those women doing then??

Warning.. This video contains images that will cause deep mental anguish, invoke mataam, and make you do sajda to the computer screen & leave you in a deep delusion..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmYS0J5OcbQ

BooM wrote:What are those women doing then??

kissing turbat,same way both sunni and shia kises door of masjid and all religious places.

sufisaint wrote:kissing turbat,

Is that the only thing they're doing?? And why are those graves decorated with the finest clothing??

sufi saint,

with a name like yours you must be a hated and excommunicated person in bohra jamaat. they do not tolerate sufi's and specially selfmade saints like you. only one saint is allowed at a time. presently it is syedna MB.

Al Zulfiqar wrote:sufi saint,

with a name like yours you must be a hated and excommunicated person in bohra jamaat. they do not tolerate sufi's and specially selfmade saints like you. only one saint is allowed at a time. presently it is syedna MB.

You have really mastered the art of runnin with your tails between your tails. Are the other pooches taking lessons from you?

BooM wrote:

sufisaint wrote:kissing turbat,

Is that the only thing they're doing?? And why are those graves decorated with the finest clothing??

which part of quraan and sunnah says u can not decorate or put clothes on grave?

Which part of Quran and the sunnah says you are allowed to decorate graves or cover it with the finest clothing ?? And if you want to know the answer to your first question, then tell us what else are those women doing in the video??

BooM wrote:Which part of Quran and the sunnah says you are allowed to decorate graves or cover it with the finest clothing ?? And if you want to know the answer to your first question, then tell us what else are those women doing in the video??

u are the one who is accusing a practice of kissing grave as a worship,so now bring the evidence,and I dont see any thing else other then kissing grave,which practice is grave worshiping?

sufisaint wrote:u are the one who is accusing a practice of kissing grave as a worship, so now bring the evidence,

Please don't try to put words in my mouth which aren't!! The statement above is only your assumption, otherwise show me your proof of me saying this??

sufisaint wrote: I dont see any thing else other then kissing grave

Are you serious?? What are those women doing with the book in their hands??

Etiquette of Visiting Graves
From Fiqh-us-Sunnah

Whoever pays a visit to a grave should face the deceased, greet him, and supplicate for him. On this subject we find the following: Buraidah reported: "The Prophet, peace be upon him, taught us that when we visited graves we should say, 'Peace be upon you, O believing men and women, O dwellers of this place. Certainly, Allah willing, we will join you. You have preceded us and we are to follow you. We supplicate to Allah to grant us and you security'.'' (Reported by Muslim, Ahmad, and others)

Ibn 'Abbas reported: "Once the Prophet, peace be upon him, passed by graves in Madinah. He tumed his face toward them saying: 'Peace be upon you, O dwellers of these graves. May Allah forgive you and us. You have preceded us, and we are following your trail'." (Tirmidhi)

'One of Prophet's wives said: "Every time it was my turn to be with the Prophet, peace be upon him, toward the end of the night, he would go out to the cemetery of al-Baqi' and would say,

'Peace be upon you, O abode of believers. What you were promised will come to pass tomorrow at a fixed time. We shall, Allah willing, soon join you. O Allah! Grant forgiveness to the people who are buried in al-Baqi' al-Gharqad',' (Muslim)
What some people do, like wiping hands over the graves and tombs, kissing them, and circumambulating around them are abominable innovations. Such things should not be done, for they are unlawful. These things are permissible, however, if performed in relation with the House of Allah, the Ka'abah, for Allah has so honored it. The grave of the Prophet, peace be upon him, cannot be considered a similar case, nor the tomb of a saint. All good comes from adherence to his example whereas all evil flows from innovating new things in religion.

Ibn al-Qayyim said: "The Prophet, peace be upon him, visited the graves to supplicate for their inhabitants, and to seek mercy and forgiveness of Allah for them. Contrary to this, the pagans supplicated to the dead, swearing by them, asking them for their needs, and seeking their support and help. Such pagan practices are in conflict with the guidance of the Prophet, peace be upon him, and his teachings about the Oneness of Allah and about the manner of supplicating for Allah's mercy for the dead. The people who do such things are guilty of polytheism; they are indulging in sin, and bringing evil to the deceased. They may be divided into three categories: those who supplicate for the deceased, those who supplicate through the deceased, and the third who supplicate to the deceased. They think that making supplications by a grave is better than in a mosque. For anyone who looks to the guidance of the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, and his Companions, the distinction between the two cited positions is fairly obvious."

Bro MF,
Thank you for sharing this with us..

Prophet SAW’ Grave:

by sufisaint on Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:46 am
which part of quraan and sunnah says u can not decorate or put clothes on grave?

This is part answer to Idiotic post by Sufisaint who was previously Upar ka Aadha Maqam Khali.

Prophet's grave

Narrated Al-Qasim ibn Muhammad ibn AbuBakr
I said to Aisha! Mother, show me the grave of the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) and his two Companions (Allah be pleased with them). She showed me three graves, which were neither high nor low, but were spread with soft red pebbles in an open space.(Sunan of Abu-Dawood No.1425)

Here is description of Prophet and 2 Khalifs simple graves. I belive to this day they are not plastered.

Can somebody have plastered graves?

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas
The Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) cursed women who visit graves, those who built mosques over them and erected lamps (there). (Sunan of Abu-Dawood No.1430)

Narrated Buraydah ibn al-Hasib
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: I forbade you three things, and now I command
(Permit) you for them. I forbade you to visit graves, now you may visit them, for in visiting them there is admonition. I forbade you drinks except from skin vessels, but now you may drink from any kind of vessels, but do not drink an intoxicant. I forbade you to eat the meat of sacrificial animals after three days, but now you may eat and enjoy it during your journeys.
(Sunan of Abu-Dawood No.1666)

Narrated AbuHurayrah
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: Do not make your houses graves, and do not make my grave a place of festivity. But invoke blessings on me, for your blessings reach me wherever you may be.
(Sunan of Abu-Dawood No.831)

sufisaint wrote:
which part of quraan and sunnah says u can not decorate or put clothes on grave?

ss,

which part of quraan and sunnah says u cannot kiss your community leader's and his family's ass, do sajda to them, and after grovelling in front of them and being treated like a leper, give them fat money laden envelopes?

Warning!! Watching this video brought tears even to me, so have those tissue papers ready

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl0MhIO1 ... r_embedded
I'm having a lot of mix feelings after watching this.. I'm not sure if it's the antidepressant or just a part of me, that still wants to deny all I've read on this forum and everything else I know about Syedna (tus), is just all a big lie and it's a big conspires towards him and his family, and I want it all to go away when I wake up tomorrow...
Is it so much to ask???