recent fraud in misissauga jamaat? money's transferred

[Al Zulfiqar]

i have recently heard talk that during the recent visit of syedna's grandson in ramzaan, i dont remember his name, to toronto and mississauga in canada, he has transferred the huge sums collected for the new mississauga masjid which is being planned since last few years, to mumbai and from there they are to be transferred to qufa where there are moves to build a new masjid for which syedna will take credit, of course...

many mississauga jamaat members are reported to be incensed about this and are talking of taking this matter all the way to bombay for the attention of the old man himself..

the toronto/mississauga jamaats had declared that each bohra family should compulsorily pay 25,000/= $, whether in a lump sum or instalments. void cheques and pre-authorised payments have been arranged 2 years ago with each regd bohra and now this rascal has come and grabbed most of the funds and ordered it transferred. who would dare defy him?

can anyone throw more light on this scandal and to what extent it is true and what are the details? if it is true, then what are the possibilties for someone to take this matter to court?

[seeker110]

why should it matter.One way or another its all going to the same family.It seems to me that they may be cheating each other out of their share.Worst that can happen is the culprit is caught.No one will ever see a dime again.
Bhoras are not victims,they are equally to share the blame.If you knowingly support a currupt family,you have no reason to complain.
Clip coupons,look for sales and go out of your way to get your bargains,deny your kids the best because it costs more.So you can give more to the person who you know is turning a blind eye and yet is not responsible for anything
Better ask your 8 year old kid with a wad of cash to give it to Family.Your own kids will tell you the truth.
As far as respecting the old man?Accounty, I will still call Yazeed a yazeed no matter how old he gets.Respect Shaitan because he is older.Yeah right.One needs dignity to stand ground,a little bit of balls wont hurt either.Go ahead respect the post even if it doesnt make any sence.Its loaded with deadbeets stupid people.

[like_minded]

As far as respecting the old man?Accounty, I will still call Yazeed a yazeed no matter how old he gets.Respect Shaitan because he is older.Yeah right.One needs dignity to stand ground,a little bit of balls wont hurt either.Go ahead respect the post even if it doesnt make any sence.Its loaded with deadbeets stupid people.

True!! age cannot be the criteria here.. a devil is a devil no matter how old he gets.. he still remains a devil.

Now coming to the main point... do we need a post of dai to lead us?? and what if this post is permanently removed?? will it make a difference in our day-to-day lives??

[abde sayedna]

main aim is to buid the masjid wether it is build in canada or kufa the person who contribute will get jaza n will get barakat so that they can build many more masjid in canada

[abde sayedna]

main aim is to buid the masjid wether it is build in canada or kufa the person who contribute will get jaza n will get barakat so that they can build many more masjid in canada

[abde sayedna]

Now coming to the main point... do we need a post of dai to lead us?? and what if this post is permanently removed?? will it make a difference in our day-to-day lives??

why ask question just see ur self i have seen pics on ur website of reformist member in udaipur meeting , n not only us any non bohra would have said that they r not even muslim
they have no dari n mucchi on there face n one off the chief guest also praised the community which angered the reformist
so dear if dai wouldnt have been there when imam is in seculasion then true islam n allahs din would have been rubbed off from the globe n u reformist r the biggest eg who all have gone far away from haq

[SBM]

Abde writes
"main aim is to buid the masjid wether it is build in canada or kufa the person who contribute will get jaza n will get barakat so that they can build many more masjid in canada "

Then why not build in Israel, China or Cuba or Soviet Union where it is needed KUFA and CANADA already has Masaajids.

[seeker110]

dear Abde,your family did not produce any Alims.They did not produce any good managers,philosophers,thinkers leaders.An easy business like bhoraism where people pay for everything and pay well.The family goes and screws this up.Next time at the family gathering look around see if all the bull you are buying worth a dam.Get out of it you have half the brain.Look at gulf's life,this will be your future.Meet his children.If it looks fine and everything is where it should be,then we need to write you off as manufacturer's defect.

[Al Zulfiqar]

abdesyedna, (slave of the dai)

yr reply smacks of outright shamelessness, arrogance and a lack of any sense of responsibility or fairness towards those in toronto and mississauga markaz communities. they have paid to have a masjid built in their city for their own convenience. to have their hard earned money taken away by force and diverted elsewhere is an illegal and high handed act which smacks of criminalism, dadagiri and insensitivity.

first of all, the syedna has not built a single edifice anywhere with his own money. its all the funds collected by force from bohras worldwide. secondly, if they needed funds to build a msjid in kufa, they shud say so clearly and start another scam in its name. no one has the right to grab the money for one project and use it for something else. is yr syedna more than maulana ali, who used to maintain the accounts of the baitul-maal so scrupulously that he welcomed anyone to come and inspect his books at anytime?

whereas yr syedna declares anyone who dares to ask questions on community accounts or questions his and his leach family's lavish lifestyle, as a munafeqeen and kafir etc????!!!!!

as for yr claim that dai is taking care of things in imam's absence, then his watching silently while the innocent women of udaipur were being molested and assaulted in front of him and they were crying out for his help, is that how he is taking care of the imam's believers??

visiting the homes of only rich bohras whilst shunning all the poor ones, dining on lavish ziyafats, travelling in chartered flights with his whole family, hunting endangered species of innocent animals by bribing govt officials, seeking worldly titles and prestige, lying in court, looting galla's in the darkness of the night, eliminating those who oppose him by force of violence, is this how yr dai "takes care" of things??? u sound like a mafia don who uses exactly the same words to "take care" of things...

u seem to be a part of the establishment which is involved in the loot and plunder of the community in the name of religion, and then u have the temerity to say u are on the side of haqq? yr weak and cowardly dai has kept quiet about his own mother so that the unsavoury facts about his own tyrant and criminal father dont come to light.. if u are proud to call yrself abde of such a decrepit human being, then u know what u are.. a mere piece of something which we discard on the garbage heap everyday.

[Safiuddin]

n not only us any non bohra would have said that they r not even muslim

Slave of Syedna,

If being Muslim to you and your moula means everyone dressed in the same white to give an illusion of piety and purity, then one has to question what you have become.

If being Muslim to your moula means dispensing of all individuality and free thinking, then your moula has indeed left you in the dark.

Being a decent human being, let alone one identified with any religion, has nothing to do with taking poor people's money for one's own luxurious and rich lifestyle. This man that you worship just recently said in vaaez that he is the malik of all wealth and dolat.

If being a Muslim to you means dressing up to make an impression, you have certainly not a clue about what Islam stands for. The fact that you judged people you probably never met- based on a photograph - shows clearly what type of shallow and base teachings your moula is telling you.

He has you believing that he is always in a state of purity and holiness, so much so, that he won't deign to touch your hand without a namaazi rumaal in between. But he'll dispense with that in a second when meeting a powerful head of state - he'll even sit in a chair without a 'namaazi' kapru underneath. Why he'll even kiss the cheeks of others in the traditional Arab greeting.

But you're beneath his contempt. he won't let you touch his hand - unless of course, it's holding an envelope. And your money - is not beneath him -and he and his family will happily take it from you.

Bohri womem pray namaaz with pictures of Burhanuddin on their masallaa. You kiss his picture, feet, hands and knees. He even deigns to demand a sajdaa in front of him! You worship him. He demands you to pray namaaz to HIM!
And you believe that reformists are not Muslim?

The beautiful and poignant rasams of wadhaawanu and sharbat have been corrupted by your master into tamaashas to make more money. Your Bhagwaan borrows rasams from other religions and cultures, yet he insists that you all wear the same kinds of clothes?

He calls himself the haqeeqee qibla. (the true qibla) He and his family call him God on Earth.
Maybe you could go and ask him to how many humans Allah allows a sajdaa? Or better yet, ask him how many times did Moula Ali ask for a sajdaa to him?

And you believe that reformists are not Muslim? And reformists are hypocrites?

It is you, "dear" who have lost the identity of Islam. One wonders whether you are Muslim. Your Bhagwaan has indeed enslaved you. He's even convinced you to name yourself that. Your Bhagwaan has convinced you that without him you are nothing. He's used your deep-seated insecurity and low self esteem to manipulate you. He's made you believe that he is God on Earth. Incidentally, the Egyptian pharoahs claimed that they were gods on earth.
(The remains of such gods can be safely viewed in the Egyptian Museum of Antiquities, Cairo)

When Panjataan walked the earth, they didn't insist upon processions of elephants, and musicians, and pomp and circumstance. Amir Al-Mumineen wore rags and ate simple food. your bhagwaan and his family eat lavish feasts and wears clothes embroidered in gold thread.

Tell me, did Husain Imam ever insist that his head should be higher than everyone else? All the time?
Or did Fatema Zehra ever ask to be buried in a mausoleum of marble?

Next time you consider pujaa to your moula, think about what being Muslim means.

Before you take the step of accusing people you've probably never met of being something - take a good look at the mirror. see someone you know?

[abde sayedna]

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dear Abde,your family did not produce any Alims.They did not produce any good managers,philosophers,thinkers leaders.An easy business like bhoraism where people pay for everything and pay well.The family goes and screws this up.Next time at the family gathering look around see if all the bull you are buying worth a dam.Get out of it you have half the brain.Look at gulf's life,this will be your future.Meet his children.If it looks fine and everything is where it should be,then we need to write you off as manufacturer's defect
i dont know what u r talking abt plz explain

[abde sayedna]

saifuddin n zulfikar when u say that every thing is made by bohra money n nothing of moula then u r wrong becausr ti is moula only who say barkat but with wordly vision we all cant see it for eg where ever there is money it s bcz of allah then say today saudis are rich why they have oil american r rich why they have technology bcz of brain build by allah the creator so now i hope u all under stand me well

[abde sayedna]

allah says in quran the i will decide who is poor n rich n he is the one will take care of them so if it would be in the hands of earthly people to reach equality then every thing would be in the hand of people so u dont take tension of poor people in the worid allah is there and his representative is there

[like_minded]

Originally posted by abde sayedna:
allah says in quran the i will decide who is poor n rich n he is the one will take care of them so if it would be in the hands of earthly people to reach equality then every thing would be in the hand of people so u dont take tension of poor people in the worid allah is there and his representative is there

Abde syedna (bonded slave of burhan)

Allah also says, that one who claims to represent me.. is the biggest sinner and deserves hell fire.. so u see... where your bhagwan is heading towards?? Explain this to your bhagwan.. stop him from going to hell fire if you can.

[Hussain_KSA]

Originally posted by abde sayedna:
allah says in quran the i will decide who is poor n rich n he is the one will take care of them so if it would be in the hands of earthly people to reach equality then every thing would be in the hand of people so u dont take tension of poor people in the worid allah is there and his representative is there

Please put the reference of Ayat number. Becuase you people only quote what you learned in sabaq of batini masters.

[abde sayedna]

Allah also says, that one who claims to represent me.. is the biggest sinner and deserves hell fire.. so u see... where your bhagwan is heading towards?? Explain this to your bhagwan.. stop him from going to hell fire if you can.
DEAR IF THAT IS YHE THE CASE THEN WHY DID ALLAH CRETED ADAM FIRST N TOLD SHAITAAN TO GIVE SAJDA N HE REFUSED N WENT TO HELL IF U WOULD BE RIGHT THEN ALLAH WOULD HAVE DIRECTLY CREATED THE WORLD AND ALL OF US AND THEN TELL ME WHO WOULD HAVE TOLD US THAT WHO HAVE CREATED US SO DEAR ITS OUR SPRITUAL LEADER SINCE ADAM HAVE REMINDED US OF THESE

[abde sayedna]

dear hussaain as soon as come to know i will inform u

[abde sayedna]

dear hussaain as soon as come to know i will inform u

[Al Zulfiqar]

abde burhan,

when will u come to know? why dont u ask yr syedna by arzi? prepare a fat envelope and go meet him. what are u waiting for?

[like_minded]

DEAR IF THAT IS YHE THE CASE THEN WHY DID ALLAH CRETED ADAM FIRST N TOLD SHAITAAN TO GIVE SAJDA N HE REFUSED N WENT TO HELL IF U WOULD BE RIGHT THEN ALLAH WOULD HAVE DIRECTLY CREATED THE WORLD AND ALL OF US AND THEN TELL ME WHO WOULD HAVE TOLD US THAT WHO HAVE CREATED US SO DEAR ITS OUR SPRITUAL LEADER SINCE ADAM HAVE REMINDED US OF THESE
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Burhan.. a spiritual leader??? hahahahaha.. hehehehe... Stop kidding!!! He is not even an ordinary human like us.. forget about being spiritual.

[SBM]

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Abde
Can you also ask him about his mother, where is her grave and what happened to her in the same letter

[abde sayedna]

I WOULD LIKE COMPLAIN THAT I HAVE NEVER GOT A SERIOUS REPLY N U ALL JUST MAKE MOCKERY BCZ U ALL NEVER HAD A SOLID REPLY TO GIVE

[Al Zulfiqar]

himaar-e-syedna,

u and complaining..??? hahaha.. that has got to be the biggest joke on this forum..!!!!

when u come here to rain fitkar and laanats on reformists and all those who dont accept yr dai as Allah, be prepared to get as good u give.

as for serious replies, i have asked u for proof of yr masters achievements on another thread. give a serious reply for it with facts and figures.. dont try to escape by making stupid excuses.

[SBM]

abde sayedna
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- posted March 31, 2008 08:45 AM Profile for abde sayedna Edit/Delete Post Reply With Quote I WOULD LIKE COMPLAIN THAT I HAVE NEVER GOT A SERIOUS REPLY N U ALL JUST MAKE MOCKERY BCZ U ALL NEVER HAD A SOLID REPLY TO GIVE

SO CAN YOU REPLY ABOUT THE SYEDNA'S MOTHER. IT IS SERIOUS QUESTION AND I WANT TO PAY MY RESPECT TO A WOMAN WHO GAVE BIRTH TO A GLORIOUS SYEDNA MOHAMMED BURHANUDDIN. DONOT YOU AGREE?

[abde sayedna]

i agree with ur question but the meaning behind it is something else i will aswer u sooner

[abde sayedna]

what type of achievment u wnt to know abt on religious level financial level in every level sky has been touched see the masjid of our imam being developed at the expense of crores of rupees schools hospital and masjid all over the world and other utilities being developed

n u just think how can it be possible for a commnity of 1 millon to achieve this feat n how every thing must have been organised to achieve it

now look at ur self u all have been trying for ur movement since 40 yrs but u all have achieve nothing instead asking for donation on website its a shame on u

hope now u realise the achieve of our moula

[seeker110]

We all know syedna himself pleaded the fifth on this one.(self incrimating).Any explanation would be some form of lie or half truth.
So what was the price of selling his soul.

[seeker110]

We all know syedna himself pleaded the fifth on this one.(self incriminating).Any explanation would be some form of lie or half truth.
So what was the price of selling his soul.

[Maqbool]

I WOULD LIKE COMPLAIN THAT I HAVE NEVER GOT A SERIOUS REPLY N U ALL JUST MAKE MOCKERY BCZ U ALL NEVER HAD A SOLID REPLY TO GIVE

You are right abde sayedna. Now let us begin with you. Without kidding just reply point by point Saifuddin’s points. When you point finger the three will be at you. Don’t forget.

[abde sayedna]

dont be so emotional over here and dont releasse filmy dialouge over here it dont have a proper ans then please dont ans which is not expected