Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Is 52nd still living?

Where are you getting news like this? please stop asking such silly questions

(apologies for the earlier post)

Well wisher - my question exactly. Wtf is this ?

al hayy. Is one of the names of Allah !!!
So giving this title to 52 clearly shows how much open shirk kothar is encouraging and also people like zinger show how much Abdes are brain dead now

Plus the fact that al hayy means the ever living begs the question is he still alive ?

Adam is an expert in misquoting ayahs and misleading people. Here is the entire ayah.

وَلاَ تَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ قُتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ أَمْوَاتًا بَلْ أَحْيَاء عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ يُرْزَقُونَ

3:169 Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;

The Dai wasn't slain in the way of Allah. He died cause he got too old and the Ghanu Jivo chorus from abdes stopped working!!

So no, the Dai is not alive. He is very much dead!!

Why do not they accept that EVERYBODY has to die ........ even Dai-ul-Mutlaq........ No prophet, no dictator, nobody lives for ever no matter what you do .......... we all are mortals......

But alas followers of Dai-ul-Mutlak are very Abde-Mutlaks ..........

Adam wrote:The Quran says:
بل احياء عند ربهم
(They are "alive" near their lord)

Adam bhaisaheb:
It seems this is the first time this title "al Hayy" has been used in front of Syedna Burhanuddin saheb' name- I don't recall it being used before for any prophet, imam or dai. Does it mean they are all considered dead and only Burhanuddin saheb considered alive till qyamat?

Also, could you kindly explain the title "His Holiness"? Is it given by some govt. authority or is it self-imposed by the person concerned?
Thank you.

Al Hayy is one of the names of Allah.

اللّهُ لاَ إِلَـهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْحَيُّ الْقَيُّومُ

We repeat this over and over again when we recite the ayat-ul-qursi.

The dawoodi bohras now refer to their dai with this name. Al-Hayy Al-Muqaddas!!

As I have been saying for the past decade, the bohras are mushriks. And now, they may have crossed the line into Kufr.

1. The Quran says, anyone who does good deeds is considered a Shaheed. Thus the Ayat I posted is valid.

Yeah? Which ayah of the Quran says that? First, you didn't post the ayah. I posted it. You posted only a part of it for the sake of deception. Second, the ayah clearly says - "Qutilu Fi Sabilillah". Not "Good Deeds fi Sabilillah". You should be ashamed of yourself.

Besides if anyone with good deeds is considered a shaheed then your Dai is definitely dead and not alive!!

Allah is Al-Hay. Martyrs are Hay. There is a big difference. You are supposed to know Arabic. I wish more bohras knew how you people are deceiving them.

Dead, Hay, Dead, Hay and then to the lord

Not Dead, Al-Hay, Dead, Al-Hay and then to the lord. This is actually the key. Everyone alive on earth is Hay, but none of us is Al-Hay!!

So, to say that the Dai is Al-Hayy is to jump into shirk and kufr.

My fellow brothers.. Al Hayy Al Muqaddas is what theyr calling as a name. Now coming to the dead and living thing. No soul is DEAD. So stop calling it. Even Allah doesnt like the word dead. Its called PASSED AWAY.. Soul leaves the body and thats it. The soul is in sustenance. Be it a Nabi, Imam or Dai. Even a person who dies while doing good acts is considered a shaheed. A person who dies in a state of Wuzu during sleep is a shaheed. Not just those who are killed in battle. So stop this foolish dead alive thing. This is their belief and respect that.