Dawoodi Bohra Forum

Few days back I was in bohra masjid and was standing in a group; saw a teenage boy who reads marsia and madah good (has good voice and style), I requested him to recite us some Ham'd and Na'at some day - to this the kid's face turned blank and asked me 'what are these?' .......... this made me speechless and I just moved on.

what a surprize. This is what I have been telling all along. These kids have been made brain dead. soon you will see this kid become a sheikh and have his own marsia party and whereever he goes for his sing song it will only be with permission of local amil ie. translates to moula ne raza.

JC, what is ham'd and na'at. Sincerely do not know what these are.

Spectator wrote: JC, what is ham'd and na'at. Sincerely do not know what these are.

A hamd (Arabic: حمد‎) is a poem or song in praise of Allah. A hamd is usually written in Arabic, Persian, Punjabi, or Urdu. The word "hamd" comes from the Qur'an, which Muslims believe to be Allah's Word; its English translation is "Praise".

A Na`at (Arabic: نعت‎) is a poetry – sung with daff musical instruments – that specifically praises the Islamic prophet Muhammad. The practice is popular in South Asia (Pakistan and India), commonly in Urdu or Punjabi language. People who recite Naat are known as Naat Khawan or Sana'a-Khua'an in Bengali, Urdu, English, Turkish, Persian, Arabic, Punjabi and Sindhi Language

Source : Wikipedia.

Madresah today are not for cultural education. Its 100% agenda indoctrination into young generation.

It is not the case with the madrasah operated by Qutbuddin Mola's dawat. It is about the philosophy of islam and being a good, sound human being.

Since we are talking of Madrassa's here, this fits here too

http://epaper.timesofindia.com/Default/ ... wMode=HTML

guys all madrassas try to enforce their kind of islam whether its a wahabi a barelvi a dawat islami a shia or a bohra madrassa so i feel what they teach there is according to their faith and believe now its upto you whether you want to send your kids there or not but one thing is for sure a few years of madrassa and its teachings remains intact through out your life and gives you the basic knowledge of islam and its ideologies, i myself never went to a madrassa and learn namaz and quran at home but i feel that gap thererfore i made it a point and send my son to madrassa and he completed all 10 classes and has a better understanding of fiqah and history then i do. anyways it is everybodys individual viewpoint.

salaar wrote:guys all madrassas try to enforce their kind of islam whether its a wahabi a barelvi a dawat islami a shia or a bohra madrassa so i feel what they teach there is according to their faith and believe now its upto you whether you want to send your kids there or not but one thing is for sure a few years of madrassa and its teachings remains intact through out your life and gives you the basic knowledge of islam and its ideologies, i myself never went to a madrassa and learn namaz and quran at home but i feel that gap thererfore i made it a point and send my son to madrassa and he completed all 10 classes and has a better understanding of fiqah and history then i do. anyways it is everybodys individual viewpoint.

What people forget is to achieve the namaz salat , the children are left with the slow poison of human worshiping. So end of the day is that gain worth risking loosing your child to the kothar kufr.

I am currently trying to wipe away the poisoned knowledge my kids have absorbed and the risk is the children will get confused and snap into extreme, agnostic or atheistic beliefs. One of my family members children lost total confidence in bohra and Shia has taken to become fundamental salafi. I have a friend whose kid has become secular and atheistic and has married a Hindu and refused to convert her to islam.

if we deprive our children of madrassa teachings i assure you the kids would land up in clutches of as you have yourself said atheist or probably a wahabi lobby. yes we do need reforms in madrassa, man is a social animal and has to attach himself with a group of people in that respect your kids are going to land somewhere which is probably worse then what we are in, honestly iam very much aware of madrassa curriculum and generally there is nothing wrong in that, you have to differentiate between the kothar practice and the madrassa stuff iam sure you would say that is the starting point where you change young minds but in my opinion there is nothing as such except for some foolish hardline concepts which we can filter out and give our kids a balanced approach because i have witnessed families who have stopped their children going to madrassas altogether and now they feel that they have not improved or strengthened their children islamic values.

Bohra spring wrote:

salaar wrote:guys all madrassas try to enforce their kind of islam whether its a wahabi a barelvi a dawat islami a shia or a bohra madrassa so i feel what they teach there is according to their faith and believe now its upto you whether you want to send your kids there or not but one thing is for sure a few years of madrassa and its teachings remains intact through out your life and gives you the basic knowledge of islam and its ideologies, i myself never went to a madrassa and learn namaz and quran at home but i feel that gap thererfore i made it a point and send my son to madrassa and he completed all 10 classes and has a better understanding of fiqah and history then i do. anyways it is everybodys individual viewpoint.

What people forget is to achieve the namaz salat , the children are left with the slow poison of human worshiping. So end of the day is that gain worth risking loosing your child to the kothar kufr.

I am currently trying to wipe away the poisoned knowledge my kids have absorbed and the risk is the children will get confused and snap into extreme, agnostic or atheistic beliefs. One of my family members children lost total confidence in bohra and Shia has taken to become fundamental salafi. I have a friend whose kid has become secular and atheistic and has married a Hindu and refused to convert her to islam.

Whats wrong in marrying a hindu? let
her follow her belief and continue .....cmon guys which time are we living in???


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ribbahs where did I say marrying a Hindu is wrong , all I stated was an observation that the kids decided it was not worth converting the girl too Muslim

ribbahs wrote:

Bohra spring wrote: What people forget is to achieve the namaz salat , the children are left with the slow poison of human worshiping. So end of the day is that gain worth risking loosing your child to the kothar kufr.

I am currently trying to wipe away the poisoned knowledge my kids have absorbed and the risk is the children will get confused and snap into extreme, agnostic or atheistic beliefs. One of my family members children lost total confidence in bohra and Shia has taken to become fundamental salafi. I have a friend whose kid has become secular and atheistic and has married a Hindu and refused to convert her to islam.

Whats wrong in marrying a hindu? let
her follow her belief and continue .....cmon guys which time are we living in???


W

please read QURAAN, kafir is haram on muslim, do not try to deviate people in name of freedom.


Do Not Marry Idol Worshipers

[Quran 2:221] Do not marry idolatresses unless they believe; a believing woman is better than an idolatress, even if you like her. Nor shall you give your daughters in marriage to idolatrous men, unless they believe. A believing man is better than an idolater, even if you like him. These invite to Hell, while God invites to Paradise and forgiveness, as He wills. He clarifies His revelations for the people, that they may take heed.

[Quran 4:21] How could you take it back, after you have been intimate with each other, and they had taken from you a solemn pledge?

iam shocked after knowing that some among us even dont find marrying hindus a problem for themselves, if that is the case then iam sorry to say you are defying from the basic principles of islam, bohraism or reforms that is another story but if you simply want to jump over the perimeters of islam then my friend there seems nothing in common to debate about.

When it comes to Madresa, one of the biggest problems is the teachers. When attending, I responded better to the teachers who were actually teachers with an education degree (it's because they did this for a living, they know what works and what doesn't)
They know how to get through to us. They also answered questions we had. The other teachers, the sheikhs wives, chamchas' wives, etc were always like, "don't ask why, just do it. You don't get to question."

salarf; do not ruin your children by sending them to madrassa. Today the stinch of madrassa can be seen in our young generation of human worshipping and ghano jivo robots. It will hopefully change one day to a liberal islamic institution purely for the object of imparting islamic knowledge, but till that time comes you would have already laid the cult type foundation in the young mind.