Kaka Akela wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:39 pm
I also felt offended with Biradar's foolish comments about Imam A S.
Rasulullah S A has said that i am leaving two things in this world and they will meet me back at Hauz e Kauser, one is Quran and the other is Imam from my progeny. If you deny Imam's existence then you don't even qualify to be a muslim. Plz go find another Forum.
I am glad you are offended. Sometimes that is healthy. It is also nice to see the red-ink spilling Al-Bore aka Mummy's Boy aka 20 different aliases and now parading around as a woman keeps you company. Hope you don't get infected with the jinn that makes him pretend to be a woman and then a man every few months. He is neither. Just a napusak.
I should also say one other thing: by saying "you don't even qualify to be a muslim" you have taken up the position of a prophet or perhaps god himself. Islam only requires you to recite the shahada to become Muslim. Maybe you are receiving revelations too now that tells you that believing in a non-existent guy too afraid of his own shadow is also needed? Make sure those revelation are not from Iblis!
Sadly, the reality is that there is no imam in hiding. To believe this is to believe in the most absurd and childish fantasies. Please can you point me to a verse in the Quran that says that an imam exists in hiding, and who will continue hiding for ever and ever. I will wait patiently.
In the hadith you quoted, the two things, BTW, are the Quran (which is mentioned first) and his progeny. Not imam. Further, in the text of the hadith the Prophet does not say that my progeny will hide in fear for thousands of years! Also, what progeny? The one the Twelvers believe is hiding in some cave and now is an ancient 1000+ year old man, the horse-racing playboy who lives in Paris, or the non-existent timid mommy-ghagra hiding fellow, whose various SXXs are money and power hungry morons? Or the thousands of others who are descended from the Prophet via Fatema?
In reality, in Islam physical descent is not important. What is more important is the spiritual descent. The "progeny" mentioned here is not in a father-to-son descent but a general statement about leadership via spiritual initiation, which is the real form of prophetic descent.
Despite all these pretend leaders of the the Muslims, all fighting with each other there is one and only one Quran. So, instead of clinging to the one which is manifest and obvious in front of you, i.e. the Quran, and making an attempt to understand it, you want to cling to factions and divisions and people who are out to get money. I mean, I bet that you are clueless about Islam as taught by the Quran and Prophetic examples, do not even understand the basic surface of the Quran, but are so upset about some person on a small forum pointing out the absurdity of believing in an non-existent guy. Shows how absurd and skewed your priorities are!
As to this case: again I want to point out FD will lose. I mean, consider this possibility: SKQ may have misunderstood what SMB said. In fact, I pointed out to the opening statement of FD people in which they state that SKQ assumed nass was done due to the words that SMB used
. This implies SMB did not explicitly use the word "nass:" in relation with SKQ. However, it is hard to believe that SKQ, a man trained personally by STS (who was a genuine scholar and had a commanding control of the Arabic language), would make such a mistake. Hence, it is credible that SMB really did mean that he meant to do nass on SKQ. However, as I said above SMB was a megalomaniac and may have changed his mind and perhaps played games in piting his sons against his mazoon. For example, say we are to believe that SMB told his close companions about the nass on Muffy in 1969. At that time SMB was in control of his senses (one hopes) and so if one were to believe SKQ and the nass on Muffy, just 4 years apart, would mean SMB was deliberately creating problems.
Now consider: it is clear from various things discussed at length on this forum that Muffy was at the center of the Zahir-Batin conspiracy. There is zero doubt about the hate campaign against the mazoon saheb, as recordings exist that prove this beyond any doubt. Hence, during the lifetime of SMB and in a time when he was still cognitively not impaired, one person (Muffy) he had appointed as his successor was conspiring against the person (SKQ) who he had also appointed as his successor, and was, in fact, his mazoon! Clearly, this messed up situation is the fault of SMB who could have everything clear as daylight by pronouncing everything openly while he still had cognitive control and was not a puppet in the hands of his children and brothers.
Yet, we are to believe all these money-grubbing, power-hungry and absurd tin-pot SXXs are all being guided by "ilham" of an "imam"! I mean, can one be so naive? Obviously, the whole edifice of Bohra theology going back centuries is flawed. If we can't even know what happened in our lifetimes, with all sorts of technology to record and archive things, how can we be sure of anything say 1000 or even 200 years ago? Clearly, we can't. My interest in this case is merely from a historical and philosophical perspective. I have already said many times that I have very little connection with bohri communities and consider their antics to be somewhat laughable and sadly pathetic.
I personally liked SKQ and also like STF. They were/are both smart and personable people, clearly better than the moronic angry grandpa Muffy. But I do not believe that either of them has any truth or haqq with them. They left the path of haqq long time ago. And, again, there is no imam to save us. Just the most important thing the Prophet left us: Islam as taught by the Quran. That is about it.