Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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zinger
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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Nov 11, 2021 5:17 am

yfm wrote: Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:41 pm :mrgreen: Now I have Zinger stirred up! Ha Ha Ha.

If every one of us "feel good", it surely is not here.

The only one who feel good are the ones who have the time to enjoy this circus.

Those, who we want to "feel good" are those who have been deprived of a chance to make better lives for themselves here on earth.

Those whose lives are already better here and are bickering about who the freaking dai should be, and whether the Kothar are charging them a lot of money, may rot in the gutters in the heaven above whom these dais will take them to.

So Mr. Zinger, you are well off and yet are not in peace within, and your pieces is what makes you feel arrogant.

But wait and see! Your pieces are going to get worse because no Dai will make them "feel good." here on earth or underneath the earth.

Ha Ha Ha.

Well then, thank God that while i follow a Dai, i dont depend on him to make me feel good. i depend on Allah and on His power to make me feel good.

So guess the joke is on you my friend

BTW, i forgot to add one more thing to feel good.. apparently, good pot makes you feel good too, which, going by your rambles, seems to be exactly what you are smoking

so, peace my friend. enjoy your pot, continue to feel good.

good day

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Biradar » Thu Nov 11, 2021 1:56 pm

A modified and extended version of my post on another thread. Relevant to the court case:

In his latest weekly lecture, STF discusses the issue of the faction of the Sulaymanis. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viiYHjWyRDA. As usual, at the end he connects it to the present conditions, in which he says that it is not surprising that the sons and family of the da'i turned from the "dawaat al-haq". However, beside saying that "this can happen and has happened" he really does not give any reason why we should actually consider his father's (i.e SKQ) claim to be the correct one. After all, SKQ was also the son of the da'i and one could say that in fact SKQ was behaving like Sulayman and not Muffy. Both situations are symmetrical and the same accusation that STF makes against Muffy can be made against STF's father.

For those who may not know. Sulayman bin Hassan bin Yusuf bin Sulayman was the grandson of the first Indian da’i S. Yusuf b. Sulayman. He was also appointed as a deputy in Yemen by S. Dawood b. ‘Ajabshah, the twenty-sixth da’i. Sulayman at first did not contest the position of the da’i S. Dawood b. Qutubshah. However, a few years later he claimed that he himself was the successor and was appointed to the position of da’i al-mutlaq by S. Dawood b. ‘Ajab. He returned to India to establish his claim. However, an important thing was that vast majority of the people had already accepted S. Dawood b. Qutubshah and hence Sulayman did not obtain any followers or success. However, some Yemeni tribes accepted him claim and since then the split was permanent and on ethnic grounds: the Sulaymani dawaat is mostly made up of Arabic speaking Yemenis, mostly from a single tribe. Strangely, Sulayman appointed his son Jafar as his successor, however he (Sulayman, i.e) died when Jafar was still a young child. During the period of Jafar’s minority Safi al-din al-Makrami was appointed as mustawda (acting) da’i. Now, for centuries, the position of the da’i has (with rare exception) remained in the al-Makrami family.

Now, in this court case and schism the situation is very similar: majority of people have accepted Muffy as the da’i al-mutlaq. Nothing will change their minds. Further, one can ask: why did not SKQ confront his nephews while SMB was alive? Was his silence not a tacit acceptance and the same thing that Sulayman did for the few years? Now, I personally think SKQ may have felt that there would be chaos and perhaps danger to his life. However, he had 48 years to convince his brother to make his designation explicit. This was SKQ’s tactic and perhaps greatest weakness. I believe his personality was such that he did not want to make an open confrontation. However, we know the SMB was a megalomaniac and there was nothing preventing him from making an open announcement. Nobody could have stopped him. So why did SMB wait and did not appoint anyone openly? I personally believe that nass was performed right at the start in secret. But why keep it secret for so many decades, when no real danger existed from outside forces? Perhaps SMB really did change his mind in the end, and as I said, his megalomania and feelings of godhood meant he perhaps did not care about past precedent or promises he had made to his father. (This much also I am sure of: STS had instructed SMB to appoint SKQ as the 53rd da’i al-mutlaq).

Also, what happens if STF loses this case? Will he accept that his father was not a real da’i and go become servant of Muffy? Of course not! Maybe he will lose half of the few followers he has, and like many schismatic movements in the past, his dawaat will go extinct.

So what purpose does this case serve now? The answer is simple: to attempt to (re)exert control over the followers and obtain wealth and power. This answers the question raised by the FD bhakt on how one knows STF wants to control his followers. It is simple: the initial claim filed by SKQ was to stay the successorship of Muffy so he could control the properties. This was explicitly stated in the stay plea. As all the SXX know that one who controls the properties and wealth controls the sheep-like Bohra followers. That tactic failed and then SKQ filed his “declaratory suit”. Of course, given the history of STS, SMB and SKQ’s silent acceptance of the atrocities during the era of SMB, there is no reason to believe that STF or any SXX’s fundamental desire will not be to control his followers once he obtains power and wealth he craves. One who does not learn from history is a fool. But as a wise one said: “Bewakoofo qi qami nahi Galib, ek dhundo to hazar miljaye ge”.

Incidentally, it is not uncommon for court cases to drag on for years, even decades in Indian courts. The whole system is a farce. As such, perhaps even Muffy will not survive this case and maybe our grandchildren will be waiting for the outcome! Maybe qiyamaat will come before this case is resolved. Allah knows!

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:48 pm

So Singer bhai, you use POT to feel good? :lol:

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:29 am

In his latest weekly lecture, STF discusses the issue of the faction of the Sulaymanis. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viiYHjWyRDA. As usual, at the end he connects it to the present conditions, in which he says that it is not surprising that the sons and family of the da'i turned from the "dawaat al-haq". However, beside saying that "this can happen and has happened" he really does not give any reason why we should actually consider his father's (i.e SKQ) claim to be the correct one. After all, SKQ was also the son of the da'i and one could say that in fact SKQ was behaving like Sulayman and not Muffy. Both situations are symmetrical and the same accusation that STF makes against Muffy can be made against STF's father.

I believe you have misinterpreted STF. STF does contend that his father was appointed by Seyedna Burhanuddin and cites quotations from Seydna Burhanuddin where he was bestowed with "Nass". However, there is no proof except that the Mazoon does not lie. I believe that SKK did not lie and believed that the nass was given to him. And he provides circumstantial evidence where the MS regime where they enforce boycotts and deny believing mumineens the benefits of being human such as denying them the right to a burial ceremony. All these shows the atrocities that SMS regime is committing speaks for it self that SMS is not behaving as a spiritual leader but a tyrant and therefore Seyedna Burhanuddin and the Imam's ilham can not be wrong.

It is the circumstantial evidence that invokes emotions of who is righteous and who is money monger. If there was no compulsion in this dawat and we were to choose out of our own free will, I believe most of the bohras would veer towards STF.

But none the less, my own observations are that the dais do not change our lives for the better both in the context of duniya or akheerat, and therefore even though I believe SKQ is the right dai, what does it matter?

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:13 pm

Forgot to add, that Seyedna Burhanuddin was an able leader and therefore we are sure he must have made the nass clear somewhere or with some some people. What STF is implying by analogy to Sulaymanis is that people who had been entrusted with the knowledge of the "NASS", were bought off, and that is why there is no evidence. This whole farce is nothing to do with Seyedna Burhanuddin not making sure that the "NASS" was not recognized. It has to do with the corrupt Dai and the Dawat that governs us. Are we sure that these people in power are the righteous ones?

"That tactic failed and then SKQ filed his “declaratory suit”. Of course, given the history of STS, SMB and SKQ’s silent acceptance of the atrocities during the era of SMB, there is no reason to believe that STF or any SXX’s fundamental desire will not be to control his followers once he obtains power and wealth he craves. One who does not learn from history is a fool. But as a wise one said: “Bewakoofo qi qami nahi Galib, ek dhundo to hazar miljaye ge”."

In his latest weekly lecture, STF discusses the issue of the faction of the Sulaymanis. See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viiYHjWyRDA. As usual, at the end he connects it to the present conditions, in which he says that it is not surprising that the sons and family of the da'i turned from the "dawaat al-haq". However, beside saying that "this can happen and has happened" he really does not give any reason why we should actually consider his father's (i.e SKQ) claim to be the correct one. After all, SKQ was also the son of the da'i and one could say that in fact SKQ was behaving like Sulayman and not Muffy. Both situations are symmetrical and the same accusation that STF makes against Muffy can be made against STF's father. As Bhai Biradar rightfully quotes

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by zinger » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:58 am

yfm wrote: Sat Nov 13, 2021 10:48 pm So Singer bhai, you use POT to feel good? :lol:
i rest my case :roll:

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:12 pm

Bhai SInger, After making such horrendous accusation against yfm and his use of the POT, please stand up and acknowledge that you were using POT when you made those accusations.

Don't hide behind your mummy's apron and write that you rest your case. That is disgusting and an embarrassment to the progressive Dawood forum.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by zinger » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:04 am

yfm wrote: Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:12 pm Bhai SInger, After making such horrendous accusation against yfm and his use of the POT, please stand up and acknowledge that you were using POT when you made those accusations.

Don't hide behind your mummy's apron and write that you rest your case. That is disgusting and an embarrassment to the progressive Dawood forum.
Well then, Thank God im not a progressive Bohra. i prefer to call myself an eye-opened Bohra

BTW, i think you meant to post from your other ID in favour of YFM... this is what happens when you create multiple IDs to spam the forum with your trash

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:57 pm

:mrgreen: :twisted: :wink: Bhai Singer, If you are not a progressive bohra, then why are you lurching around here on this site. You continue to disgust me with your trespasses. But why do you care. You are shameless and therefore no matter what we write, you will always find it amusing.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by zinger » Mon Nov 22, 2021 6:34 am

yfm wrote: Sun Nov 21, 2021 10:57 pm :mrgreen: :twisted: :wink: Bhai Singer, If you are not a progressive bohra, then why are you lurching around here on this site. You continue to disgust me with your trespasses. But why do you care. You are shameless and therefore no matter what we write, you will always find it amusing.
i think you need to
first - get your IDs correct. since ive already exposed you for what you are
second - sit with a dictionary, incase a thesaurus is too big for your litte mind, cause the word is lurking, not lurching
third - last i checked, its a free county. i can do pretty much what i please
fourth - i really dont give 2 hoots about the kind of feelings i stir in you
and finally since i already know the virus that you are, you can enjoy talking to yourself cause im finished with you.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Wed Nov 24, 2021 12:35 am

:D :) :mrgreen:

Mr. Singer, don't you think that I am interested in your singing. Have you heard of the saying "great minds and small minds".

I am just amusing myself with fellows like you when I am bored and have no pot to use.

Do you seriously think, I am interested in your mind, let alone your mouth.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by QutbiBohra » Tue Jan 04, 2022 6:46 am

What is the updates on current situation? Where all parties stands to? Any link we can get court updates about the case?

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Sheikh Ali sadiq » Sun Feb 20, 2022 4:12 am

kyaa huaa bhai drama kaha tak pohcha

kon jeet raha hai

Advocates paisa kha gayee community ke

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:33 pm

Sheikh Ali sadiq

First you must remove the title Sheikh.

It is phony, it was bought in the market, it will do your soul no good.

Once you come in as a normal simple mumeneen, you may be given some respect.

:mrgreen: :wink: :twisted: :evil:


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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:13 pm

Why are you continuing laughing?

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by yfm » Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:04 am

Dawoodi Bohra Succession Suit in the Bombay High Court: Cross-examination of Defendant’s Witnesses

Cross examination of the Defendant's witnesses will continue on 7th to 9th March 2022.

Syedna Taher Fakhruddin TUS irshaad that Mumineen do “Hasbunallahu wa ne'mal wakeel” Tasbih (450 times), pray “Nasr-wal-Mahaba” & other doas, & take out Nazrul Maqam AS. May Allah Taala grant Syedna Fakhruddin TUS Nasr-e-Aziz & Fath-e-Mubeen.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Mkenya » Mon Mar 07, 2022 1:55 pm

Court case ma potana pag dagu dagu che ane STF ne wahi aawi ke tasbih, nasr-wal-mahaba, nazrul muqam, wagere pade to tena case ma safarta pamshe.

Shu STF na camp ma koi wakil nathi ke STF ne samjhawe ke court na case ma 'thosh' sabut ane kagazato pesh kare toj koi baat banshe.

Duao, dora dhagha, bagla jewa safed poshak pehri ne koi tabdili nahi aawe. SIWAI ke wakilo, chaprasi, ane BJP ne thappa 'araz' kare tej underkhane no rasto che. SBM and STF to awa khel ma to khub tirandaaz che.

Tamari andhruni ladai ma tamoe quom ne dhunwa-fuwa kari nakhi che.

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Sheikh Ali sadiq » Tue Mar 08, 2022 9:46 am

the proof is necessary but DUA is also important, I want TF to win this case those bloody brainwashed Bohras will come to their senses, and finally, they won't believe in any more unicorns anymore and finally come back to fundamentals.

Taher will not have any followers even if he wins but yes Mufaddal will truly have a setback that will break this whole game.

InshAllah


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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by alivasan » Tue May 17, 2022 11:40 pm

what happened on 10th May historic milestone ? cross examination of defendent side. There is no update on fatemi dawaat website..

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by Sheikh Ali sadiq » Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:26 am

may be deal done out side

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Re: Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

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Unread post by ilhamafief94 » Sun Jul 24, 2022 10:58 pm

Hello, I'm not Bohra. I want to ask, is it permissible in Bohra and Ismaili to pray "Yaa Ali" etc., to ask for intercession and goodness? Please explain in detail. Thanks.