ARROGANT ATTITUDES OF BHAISAHIBS

[salaar]

I have observed that the general attitude of aamil sahib and bhai sahib is very unfriendly, why is that so, nature of people differ from one another some may be rigid but not all however here all of them keep their faces tight, frowns on their foreheads and finding ways to insult somebody publicly for some small mistake i can quote you their thousand examples of harsh and abusive behavior in public but that might reveal my identity, is it that they are instructed to behave that way so that nobody comes around them unnecessarily, i simply dont understand why cant they be friendly like the heads of other religious groups who behave in a cordial manner and intermingle with people, people avoide to confront them and only chamchaas roam around them, although they are there to solve the problems of ordinary people but they become a liability on their hosts. in the end i would suggest them that for teachers it is suggested to teach children they should to come to their level similarly to understand the problems of ordinary folks try to be warm and friendly with them and stop this artificial style of behaving like untouchables.

[wise_guy]

have u seen friendly mafiosi, goons, dacoits, robbers???

I have observed that the general attitude of aamil sahib and bhai sahib is very unfriendly, why is that so, nature of people differ from one another some may be rigid but not all however here all of them keep their faces tight, frowns on their foreheads and finding ways to insult somebody publicly for some small mistake i can quote you their thousand examples of harsh and abusive behavior in public but that might reveal my identity, is it that they are instructed to behave that way so that nobody comes around them unnecessarily, i simply dont understand why cant they be friendly like the heads of other religious groups who behave in a cordial manner and intermingle with people, people avoide to confront them and only chamchaas roam around them, although they are there to solve the problems of ordinary people but they become a liability on their hosts. in the end i would suggest them that for teachers it is suggested to teach children they should to come to their level similarly to understand the problems of ordinary folks try to be warm and friendly with them and stop this artificial style of behaving like untouchables.

[salaar]

i have seen very friendly religious heads in other communities arent they enjoying the same positions as our bhaisahibs but i have found them very mild and friendly which is contrary to what we face

[phdguy]

I too saw this many times . The abdes are so blind in following the footsteps of their baap dada that they dont even realize that they are being ridiculed, insulted, robbed.
Also dont take it easy , you will be questioned in the hereafter and raised behind the bohra daii as, you are the one who has chosen for yourself to remain in this mess.
Like it or not join the community which has real Islamic values and people who practice what is preached in the Quran and Sunnah.

The ego of not accepting the fact that our baap-dada and entire chain of ascendants could be wrong is in itself a sin deserving to be punished in the hereafter.

[salaar]

for the ill doings of individuals you cannot blame the religion, world is saying its islam that encourages fundamentalism and suicide bombers now tell me what islam has to do with extremism. a friend of mine belonging to ahl hadees took two maulvis to california for tableegh one was a specialist in hadees and the other in quranic tafseer these two chaps started quarreling about the distribution of money and gifts later the hotel gave my friend the bill for hotel room in which a good amount was for watching porno movies, now for their ill deeds can you blame the religion similarly you cannot blame the religion for the arrogancy of bhaisahib breed. and for the believes of baap daada nobody is compels you to follow their course but as a human you cannot ignore these feelings but ultimately you do what suits you and now please dont start giving me examples of mushrikeen of mecca who were not willing to giveup the religion of their forefathers as this is what i smell in your next move.

[phdguy]

Yes brother its not the people to follow its the teachings that we need to follow, the dispute is not ahlebayt but whether you are getting the teachings of ahlebayt ??. Only a claim is not enough. We have a meticulous science of hadith which ensures that all sayings of the Arch Ahlebayt propeht pbuh have reached us "AS IS". Shias esp Ismailis have no such science due to their reliance on the fanciful theory of Infallible Imams, esotericism and taweel. Its a good theory but it has been proved to not work as the Imam himself has disappared\killed\defaulted etc and one Imam Moiz even converted to coptic Christianity and his baptistry is present to this day , with each sect claiming they have the correct imam or representative. Even daimul Islam is a poor work when it come to sourcing its claims. And various Ismaili sects have difference of opinions on this book itself.
The problem with Daimul Islam is the absence of Ilmul Rijaal (history of narrators) in Daimul Islam. DaimulIslam is just a book of fiqh and not a book of hadith.People do find fiqh interesting but the fiqh should be based on authentic hadith.
Daimul Islam does not even attempt to go into that direction of validating the hadith.It is not even in the domain of a fiqh book to go into this detail. The hadith quoted in daimul Islam dont have the chain of narrators or the reference base. Infact Ismaili Islam does not have a single book of validated hadith. Isna ashari do have it.
Do you know the Ismaili sect aga khani khoja is the only sect which has an unbroken chain of Imamate traceable to the final prophet pbuh to this day. But you see they have abolished namaaz, hajj etc and believe the Imam as mazhar of Allah swt. Hence you have to accept that even the proven descendants of the prophet pbuh can fall into error and misguidance as it is only Allah who guides. Hence rather then showing geneologies we should do research on who has the authentic teachings of ahlebayt preserved via an unbroken chain reaching to the prophet pbuh.
Infact there are more fabricated hadith then sahih hadith. This is where the science of hadith comes as Allah says "We have, Without doubt, sent down the Zikr(Zikr of Rasulallah): and we will assuredly guard it (from corruption) (Qur'an 15:9)" . The scientific scrutiny of hadith enables us to distinguish the false hadith from the sahih ones. There are very stringent criteria and science to accept or reject a hadith

[salaar]

read this answer before on another thread

[jamat_confused]

Ya i agree with your post. Even i have a question to ask with bhaisahab's .......... I have heard from my childhood that Aamilsahab used to convince people saying u do this jaman and barkat thase, and encourage people to do jaman on occassions but have any of the Aamilsahab ever done Jaman on any occassion, Why they don't used to do so, they don't need barkat orelse they know that they used to bluff with people saying barkat thaase.

[wise_guy]

Do the people living in developed economies (US, UK, Europe, Australia, Singapore) do jaman, pay waajebaat etc.. Still, they are so barkati. It all depends on your work and not on what you pay to the religious mafias.

Ya i agree with your post. Even i have a question to ask with bhaisahab's .......... I have heard from my childhood that Aamilsahab used to convince people saying u do this jaman and barkat thase, and encourage people to do jaman on occassions but have any of the Aamilsahab ever done Jaman on any occassion, Why they don't used to do so, they don't need barkat orelse they know that they used to bluff with people saying barkat thaase.

[cpt jack sparrow]

Ya i agree with your post. Even i have a question to ask with bhaisahab's .......... I have heard from my childhood that Aamilsahab used to convince people saying u do this jaman and barkat thase, and encourage people to do jaman on occassions but have any of the Aamilsahab ever done Jaman on any occassion, Why they don't used to do so, they don't need barkat orelse they know that they used to bluff with people saying barkat thaase.

Hum jo kahetey hai woh karo! hum jo kartey hai woh nahi!
My Uncle is an amil and has property of more than XXXXXXXXXXXXXX!
Kurrept Shags!

[DisillusionedDB]

@Salaar, If they are friendly and soft spoken, then the mango man will ask too many questions which they won't be able to answer. For the amils and bhaisaabs, offence is the best form of defense.

[zaharaali302]

Dear members
Regarding the arrogant behaviour of these Bhaisebs once you start throwing fat envolopes and make yourself prominent with big cars , houses like palaces and profitable businesses then you see the magic of their kindness and politeness

[DisillusionedDB]

Dear members
Regarding the arrogant behaviour of these Bhaisebs once you start throwing fat envolopes and make yourself prominent with big cars , houses like palaces and profitable businesses then you see the magic of their kindness and politeness

You are right ... Remember Mehmood's song "The whole thing is that ke bhaiyya sabse bada rupaiya"