kya miliye aise logo se
jin ki fitrat chhupi rahe
naqli chehra saamne aaye
asli soorat chhupi rahe
khud se bhi jo khud ko chhupaaye
kya unse pehchaan kare
kya un ke daaman se lipten
kya un ka armaan kare
jin ki aadhi neeyat ubhre
aadhi neeyat chhupi rahe
naqli chehra saamne aaye
asli soorat chhupi rahe
dildaari ka dhong racha kar
jaal bichhaayen baaton ka
jeete jee ka rishta keh kar
sukh dhoondhe kuchh raaton ka
rooh ki hasrat lab par aaye
jism ki hasrat chhupi rahe
naqli chehra saamne aaye
asli soorat chhupi rahe
jinke zulm se dukhi hai janta
har basti har gaaon mein
daya dharam ki baat kare wo
baith ke saji sabhaaon mein
daan ka charcha ghar ghar pahunche
loot ki daulat chhupi rahe
naqli chehra saamne aaye
asli soorat chhupi rahe
dekhe in naqli chehron ki
kab tak jay jaykar chale
ujle kapdon ki teh mein
kab tak kaala sansaar chale
kab tak logon ki nazron se
chhupi haqeeqat chhupi rahe
naqli chehra saamne aaye
asli soorat chhupi rahe
kya miliye aise logo se
jin ki fitrat chhupi rahe
naqli chehra saamne aaye
asli soorat chhupi rahe
Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
-
Muslim First
- Posts: 6893
- Joined: Tue Jun 19, 2001 4:01 am
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Wah wah brother Fateh. Marsha Allah.Fateh wrote
kya miliye aise logo se
jin ki fitrat chhupi rahe
naqli chehra saamne aaye
asli soorat chhupi rahe
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Porus, you old codger, you munafiq, how dare you make fun of our shiny new scholar of Haqiqi Yoga? You're mentally handicapped and physically bankrupt. You need help, not anger. But since only Moula can help you, let me go ahead and call you names.porus wrote:What an idiot!whyrangoonwala wrote: ...claptrap...
In Haqiqi Yoga Boot Camp, this new graduate learned that Imam is the Sun and Dai is the Moon! Oh, wow! Not even a pretense that it might just be a metaphor!
If that is the case, it appears that we have been in Total Lunar Eclipse of the Sun for a thousand years, seeing that Imam has decided to eclipse himself for that period. As for Sun's light, it is nowhere to be seen. You might barely discern the dark outline of the Moon. We can conclude that 'not so bright' moon outshines the Sun!
A vulgar name-dropper!!
Do you have any sillyism in your medulla oblongata to make dentological, cardiac-arresting pharmacological arguments against our Dai? Don't you know he cons textually and is God Himself? Don't you know even your little pea-brain is because there is Maula? Your are because he is. And obviously with your little intellect how would you know that "Moula is not human." He's Allama Iqbal's fakhta whose Nietzschean bulundi even he himself cannot fathom. Of course you would have known this if only you had spent some time in the bathtub with Aristotle and shouted Eureka Eureka when he discovered that the Nur displaced by the Imam directly and magically form a halo around Dai's head. And if you had played gilli danda with Al Farabi or Ibn Sina you would know that "Being" is not just a present participle of the verb "be" but the very nature of our Dai. Then you would have realised the Shakespearean "to be and not to be" is not a lullaby.
And if you had not spent your youth chasing zeenats of all amans and had instead studied celestial spheres, you would have been in a position today to appreciate the beauty of the cleavage formed by the close proximity of the sun and the moon. It is this cleavage which sets the heavens in constant circular motion, this by the way is the First Cause of your headaches. See how you sacrificed spiritual and intellectual pleasures for tawdry tit-for-tat carnal frolicking. And when you were slobbering, snivelling toddler if only you had paid attention to your nursery teacher instead of communing with the girl next to you, you would not be today "sacred of imagination, intuition and power of intellect." You would today be in awe of "our deen, our Dai and his ilm". You would know that "he is taking us back to the world of perfection, of his ilm." Isn't that a self-evident truth? Clear as mud? Even the blind can see it. "And yet you question?' Tsk tsk tsk....
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
I am sounding like humsafar,btw, It was Archimedes who shouted Eureka!
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
The abdes will probably shout Fatela Fatela. 
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
How do you know, were in you the bathtub with him?mnoorani wrote:I am sounding like humsafar,btw, It was Archimedes who shouted Eureka!
Of course, I meant Archimedes. Thanks for correction.
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
No, it would be more like "Bachao, Bachao!!!"anajmi wrote:The abdes will probably shout Fatela Fatela.
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
In the bath tub, I, personally prefer the company of the softer skinned.Humsafar wrote:How do you know, were in you the bathtub with him?mnoorani wrote:I am sounding like humsafar,btw, It was Archimedes who shouted Eureka!
Of course, I meant Archimedes. Thanks for correction.
-
aliabbas_aa
- Posts: 320
- Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:21 am
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Dawoodi bohras are dawoodi bohras not muslims even the govt of India has recognized this fact !. Yesterday a census lady (religious census)came to our house and she was filling religion field with following values:
Muslim
dawoodi bohra
Hindu
.
.
Muslim
dawoodi bohra
Hindu
.
.
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
nice, the way todays islaam is been treated by this sunnis and wahabis, its a shame to be counted with muslims.....better they count us as shia dawoodi bohras.aliabbas_aa wrote:Dawoodi bohras are dawoodi bohras not muslims even the govt of India has recognized this fact !. Yesterday a census lady (religious census)came to our house and she was filling religion field with following values:
Muslim
dawoodi bohra
Hindu
.
.
-
MurtazaVds
- Posts: 141
- Joined: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:59 am
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
prove your allegation Mr. Fitnati aka like lickeraliabbas_aa wrote:Dawoodi bohras are dawoodi bohras not muslims even the govt of India has recognized this fact !. Yesterday a census lady (religious census)came to our house and she was filling religion field with following values:
Muslim
dawoodi bohra
Hindu
.
.
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Ek Besharam ne avi sharam,olum wrote:nice, the way todays islaam is been treated by this sunnis and wahabis, its a shame to be counted with muslims.....better they count us as shia dawoodi bohras.aliabbas_aa wrote:Dawoodi bohras are dawoodi bohras not muslims even the govt of India has recognized this fact !. Yesterday a census lady (religious census)came to our house and she was filling religion field with following values:
Muslim
dawoodi bohra
Hindu
.
.
Badha yeh joyu aa karam,
Jo Pota ni zaat ne na pehchaane,
E to ehni maa pan vechyaave.
-
ghulam muhammed
- Posts: 11653
- Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
An article appeared in a Malaysian newspaper somewhere in the 2011, here are some excerpts :-
HEADLINE: JAIS investigates Muslim sect
BYLINE: By Annie Freeda Cruez
DATELINE: Klang
BODY: KLANG, Wed. -
The Syiah Ismailia Taiyebi sect, or better known as the Dawoodi Bohra, is under investigation by the Selangor Islamic Religious Department (JAIS) following allegations of carrying out deviationist teachings and activities.
It is learnt that the sect, with its headquarters in Klang, has 700 to 1,000 members throughout the country, especially in Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Negri Sembilan, Pahang, Kedah and Johor Baru. The present high priest of the Dawoodi Bohra sect is Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, the 52nd Dai who is based at the Dawoodi Bohra headquarters in Mumbai, India.
JAIS director Mansur Ramli said it would be sending its enforcement team to the sect's headquarters at 1467 Lorong Pokok Sakat 1, off Jalan Dato Dollah here, to investigate allegations of deviationist teachings and activities.
Firstly, Mansur said, they would investigate why the sect's mosque known as Burhani Mosque which was officially opened by their high priest in 1997, had now changed to Pusat Kebudayaan. "We will also investigate why only the sect members are allowed inside and Muslims are discouraged from using the premises for performing their Friday prayers and daily prayers." There is a signboard outside the building which reads "Taiyebi Park, Pusat Kebudayaan Untuk Ahli-Ahli sahaja". There have been known cases of Muslims having been turned away from the mosque, even in the month of Ramadan. It is learnt the mosque is not under Jais.
Some members of the sect told the New Straits Times that the Friday sermon differed from that preached in other mosques. To run the affairs of the followers, an amil is sent from India usually but the present amil is Sheikh Mansoor Ismailjee Jannuwalla from Tanzania.
The members alleged that the amil collected zakat or tithe and fitra from them annually without issuing receipts, and the money was sent to Mumbai, India. When asked to comment on this, Mansur said it was an offence for the amil to collect zakat as only authorised officers were allowed to do so. "How could he collect zakat and send the money to India. First and foremost, he has violated the country's Islamic law by collecting zakat without the knowledge of the Islamic Religious Department."
Some followers of the sect said initially receipts were issued but this was stopped about four years ago. Many of the followers also voiced their resentment over forcing the men to grow beards, failing which they would not be allowed into the mosque. "Followers are also required to wear a long jubah like an overcoat," said one.
The followers have requested anonymity for fear they would be blacklisted or looked down by their sect members who are mainly engaged in trade and commerce. Unlike other Indian immigrants, the Bohras are an independent community who made use of their inherent business acumen to establish successful business ventures in their land of adoption.
Their business methods, however, are traditional and they restrict themselves to the textile, stationery and furniture business. Today, however, young Bohras are breaking away from traditional family businesses and have become doctors, lawyers, engineers and teachers.
It is alleged that marriages conducted by the Kadi is not recognised, except those conducted by the Bohras' own priest. The Dawoodi Bohras have three burial grounds in Malaysia - in Klang, Kuala Lumpur and Penang.
HEADLINE: JAIS investigates Muslim sect
BYLINE: By Annie Freeda Cruez
DATELINE: Klang
BODY: KLANG, Wed. -
The Syiah Ismailia Taiyebi sect, or better known as the Dawoodi Bohra, is under investigation by the Selangor Islamic Religious Department (JAIS) following allegations of carrying out deviationist teachings and activities.
It is learnt that the sect, with its headquarters in Klang, has 700 to 1,000 members throughout the country, especially in Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Negri Sembilan, Pahang, Kedah and Johor Baru. The present high priest of the Dawoodi Bohra sect is Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, the 52nd Dai who is based at the Dawoodi Bohra headquarters in Mumbai, India.
JAIS director Mansur Ramli said it would be sending its enforcement team to the sect's headquarters at 1467 Lorong Pokok Sakat 1, off Jalan Dato Dollah here, to investigate allegations of deviationist teachings and activities.
Firstly, Mansur said, they would investigate why the sect's mosque known as Burhani Mosque which was officially opened by their high priest in 1997, had now changed to Pusat Kebudayaan. "We will also investigate why only the sect members are allowed inside and Muslims are discouraged from using the premises for performing their Friday prayers and daily prayers." There is a signboard outside the building which reads "Taiyebi Park, Pusat Kebudayaan Untuk Ahli-Ahli sahaja". There have been known cases of Muslims having been turned away from the mosque, even in the month of Ramadan. It is learnt the mosque is not under Jais.
Some members of the sect told the New Straits Times that the Friday sermon differed from that preached in other mosques. To run the affairs of the followers, an amil is sent from India usually but the present amil is Sheikh Mansoor Ismailjee Jannuwalla from Tanzania.
The members alleged that the amil collected zakat or tithe and fitra from them annually without issuing receipts, and the money was sent to Mumbai, India. When asked to comment on this, Mansur said it was an offence for the amil to collect zakat as only authorised officers were allowed to do so. "How could he collect zakat and send the money to India. First and foremost, he has violated the country's Islamic law by collecting zakat without the knowledge of the Islamic Religious Department."
Some followers of the sect said initially receipts were issued but this was stopped about four years ago. Many of the followers also voiced their resentment over forcing the men to grow beards, failing which they would not be allowed into the mosque. "Followers are also required to wear a long jubah like an overcoat," said one.
The followers have requested anonymity for fear they would be blacklisted or looked down by their sect members who are mainly engaged in trade and commerce. Unlike other Indian immigrants, the Bohras are an independent community who made use of their inherent business acumen to establish successful business ventures in their land of adoption.
Their business methods, however, are traditional and they restrict themselves to the textile, stationery and furniture business. Today, however, young Bohras are breaking away from traditional family businesses and have become doctors, lawyers, engineers and teachers.
It is alleged that marriages conducted by the Kadi is not recognised, except those conducted by the Bohras' own priest. The Dawoodi Bohras have three burial grounds in Malaysia - in Klang, Kuala Lumpur and Penang.
-
ghulam muhammed
- Posts: 11653
- Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Before debating on whether Dawoodi Bohras are muslims or not, let us first examine the Dai's conduct when it comes to the general Muslim Ummah. Herein below is a post which appeared somewhere on this forum and which is self explanatory :-
Behind the unholy mask lies a calculative and shrewd leader who never misses an opportunity to rub shoulders with the corrupt and goonda politicians, the ones who have inflicted immense harm on the muslim ummah. He takes great pleasure in self glorification which proves that he is a man with an inflated ego. All these qualities can never qualify him of the title of a 'spiritual leader'. Needless to say that religion is a business and all the great luminiaries of the islamic world are the 'brands' which he uses to market his faith which in fact is a business. He takes pride in calling himself a 'spritual leader' and 'ambassador of peace' but simultanously joins hands with the most violent people in the garb of protecting his 'micro mini faith'. He claims to have the universal approval of all the muslims but what has he done when it comes to raising his voice against the atrocities committed on the muslim ummah by his well wishers? Let us examine a few and one can easily conclude that he is a selfish person who is NEVER concerned about the ummah at large.
1) Has the Dai raised his voice against the USA for attacking Iraq (which is supposed to be the 2nd holiest place for followers of his faith) and thereby causing deaths of millions of muslims ? The country is in great turmoil till today.
2) Has the Dai raised his voice against Israel for their illegal occupation of palestine lands and the continous embargo and bombings which has left millions of palestinian muslims dead ?
3) Has the Dai raised his voice against the corrupt Hosni Mubarak who has looted egypt by joining hands with the anti-muslim zionist regime of Israel ?
4) Has the Dai condemned the murderous acts of Talibans who have killed not only the europeans but also muslims ?
5) Has the dai voiced his concern with regard to the mass destruction of holy sites in Saudi Arabia by the wahabi king ? In this case he readily fools his abde followers by promising them to build a 'Gold Zari' on the shrine of Fatema-tus-zahra (a.s.) thereby collecting tonnes of gold since years and turning saifee mahal into a virtual Fort Knox but if God forbid the shrine itself is demolished then where will he build the 'Gold Zari' ? Needless to say that he will laugh all the way to the bank at the expense of the poor and gullible abdes. It seems that he is more worried, should the shrine NOT be demolished.
6) Has the Dai protested against the riots carried out by Bal Thackereys shiv sena in Mumbai whereby hundreds of muslims including bohras suffered heavily and lost their lives ? In fact he takes pride in felicitating him.
7) Has the Dai raised his voice or carried out a protest against Narendra Modi's govt for carrying out mass genocide of innocent muslims wherein thousands of muslims were killed, their females were raped, brutally tortured and in some cases trishuls were pierced in their private parts, their shops were looted and burnt and many were hacked to death piece by piece and some were burnt alive. In fact, the murderer Modi was felicitated in a Masjid, had a shawl draped around him and given a cheque of more then Rs.One crore, the shaitan's birthday was celebrated sometimes by the chennai jamats and at times by his own zaada son, Huzaifabhai saab who took immense pride in cutting the birthday cake with him and chanting 'Allahu Akbar'.
By any yardstick, do the above acts qualify him at all of being an 'ambassador of peace' least of all of being a 'Spritual Leader' of an ISLAMIC SECT ?
Behind the unholy mask lies a calculative and shrewd leader who never misses an opportunity to rub shoulders with the corrupt and goonda politicians, the ones who have inflicted immense harm on the muslim ummah. He takes great pleasure in self glorification which proves that he is a man with an inflated ego. All these qualities can never qualify him of the title of a 'spiritual leader'. Needless to say that religion is a business and all the great luminiaries of the islamic world are the 'brands' which he uses to market his faith which in fact is a business. He takes pride in calling himself a 'spritual leader' and 'ambassador of peace' but simultanously joins hands with the most violent people in the garb of protecting his 'micro mini faith'. He claims to have the universal approval of all the muslims but what has he done when it comes to raising his voice against the atrocities committed on the muslim ummah by his well wishers? Let us examine a few and one can easily conclude that he is a selfish person who is NEVER concerned about the ummah at large.
1) Has the Dai raised his voice against the USA for attacking Iraq (which is supposed to be the 2nd holiest place for followers of his faith) and thereby causing deaths of millions of muslims ? The country is in great turmoil till today.
2) Has the Dai raised his voice against Israel for their illegal occupation of palestine lands and the continous embargo and bombings which has left millions of palestinian muslims dead ?
3) Has the Dai raised his voice against the corrupt Hosni Mubarak who has looted egypt by joining hands with the anti-muslim zionist regime of Israel ?
4) Has the Dai condemned the murderous acts of Talibans who have killed not only the europeans but also muslims ?
5) Has the dai voiced his concern with regard to the mass destruction of holy sites in Saudi Arabia by the wahabi king ? In this case he readily fools his abde followers by promising them to build a 'Gold Zari' on the shrine of Fatema-tus-zahra (a.s.) thereby collecting tonnes of gold since years and turning saifee mahal into a virtual Fort Knox but if God forbid the shrine itself is demolished then where will he build the 'Gold Zari' ? Needless to say that he will laugh all the way to the bank at the expense of the poor and gullible abdes. It seems that he is more worried, should the shrine NOT be demolished.
6) Has the Dai protested against the riots carried out by Bal Thackereys shiv sena in Mumbai whereby hundreds of muslims including bohras suffered heavily and lost their lives ? In fact he takes pride in felicitating him.
7) Has the Dai raised his voice or carried out a protest against Narendra Modi's govt for carrying out mass genocide of innocent muslims wherein thousands of muslims were killed, their females were raped, brutally tortured and in some cases trishuls were pierced in their private parts, their shops were looted and burnt and many were hacked to death piece by piece and some were burnt alive. In fact, the murderer Modi was felicitated in a Masjid, had a shawl draped around him and given a cheque of more then Rs.One crore, the shaitan's birthday was celebrated sometimes by the chennai jamats and at times by his own zaada son, Huzaifabhai saab who took immense pride in cutting the birthday cake with him and chanting 'Allahu Akbar'.
By any yardstick, do the above acts qualify him at all of being an 'ambassador of peace' least of all of being a 'Spritual Leader' of an ISLAMIC SECT ?
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Wow! That took my breath away. What a tour de force! I am going to nominate you for the Nobel Prize for Literature. Sorry for the delay in enjoying this gem of verbal fireworks. I was otherwise occupied in enjoying the frolicking tongue-in-cheek fireworks of the London Olympics Opening Spectacle.Humsafar wrote:Porus, you old codger, you munafiq, how dare you make fun of our shiny new scholar of Haqiqi Yoga? You're mentally handicapped and physically bankrupt. You need help, not anger. But since only Moula can help you, let me go ahead and call you names.porus wrote: What an idiot!
In Haqiqi Yoga Boot Camp, this new graduate learned that Imam is the Sun and Dai is the Moon! Oh, wow! Not even a pretense that it might just be a metaphor!
If that is the case, it appears that we have been in Total Lunar Eclipse of the Sun for a thousand years, seeing that Imam has decided to eclipse himself for that period. As for Sun's light, it is nowhere to be seen. You might barely discern the dark outline of the Moon. We can conclude that 'not so bright' moon outshines the Sun!
A vulgar name-dropper!!
Do you have any sillyism in your medulla oblongata to make dentological, cardiac-arresting pharmacological arguments against our Dai? Don't you know he cons textually and is God Himself? Don't you know even your little pea-brain is because there is Maula? Your are because he is. And obviously with your little intellect how would you know that "Moula is not human." He's Allama Iqbal's fakhta whose Nietzschean bulundi even he himself cannot fathom. Of course you would have known this if only you had spent some time in the bathtub with Aristotle and shouted Eureka Eureka when he discovered that the Nur displaced by the Imam directly and magically form a halo around Dai's head. And if you had played gilli danda with Al Farabi or Ibn Sina you would know that "Being" is not just a present participle of the verb "be" but the very nature of our Dai. Then you would have realised the Shakespearean "to be and not to be" is not a lullaby.
And if you had not spent your youth chasing zeenats of all amans and had instead studied celestial spheres, you would have been in a position today to appreciate the beauty of the cleavage formed by the close proximity of the sun and the moon. It is this cleavage which sets the heavens in constant circular motion, this by the way is the First Cause of your headaches. See how you sacrificed spiritual and intellectual pleasures for tawdry tit-for-tat carnal frolicking. And when you were slobbering, snivelling toddler if only you had paid attention to your nursery teacher instead of communing with the girl next to you, you would not be today "sacred of imagination, intuition and power of intellect." You would today be in awe of "our deen, our Dai and his ilm". You would know that "he is taking us back to the world of perfection, of his ilm." Isn't that a self-evident truth? Clear as mud? Even the blind can see it. "And yet you question?' Tsk tsk tsk....
By the way, I meant Total Solar Eclipse. But then you must have guessed this faux pas.
How do you like our new resident poet, mnoorani? I think he is cute and has a lot of talent. Bravo!!
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
AgreeHow do you like our new resident poet, mnoorani? I think he is cute and has a lot of talent. Bravo!!
-
sixfeetunder
- Posts: 433
- Joined: Fri Feb 26, 2010 8:48 am
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Mnoorani felaave poetry nu noorSBM wrote:AgreeHow do you like our new resident poet, mnoorani? I think he is cute and has a lot of talent. Bravo!!
Kare mumineen nu saglu stress door
Jannat ma to chhe ghani badhi hoori
Pann PDB ma to fakht ek m.noori!
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
@ jinhon ne meri qadar ki,
Main aap Ki qadar ka ,Qadardaan hun.
Main aap Ki qadar ka ,Qadardaan hun.
-
ghulam muhammed
- Posts: 11653
- Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
VARIOUS FATWAS AGAINST THE DAI BY SAUDI AUTHORITIES WITH REGARD TO HIS UNISLAMIC PRACTICES :-
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/673.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/674.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/675.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/676.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/673.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/674.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/675.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/676.pdf
-
aliabbas_aa
- Posts: 320
- Joined: Mon Feb 15, 2010 2:21 am
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
The first fatwa has explicitly declared the syedna and his followers to be out of Islam and disbelievers by top saudi presidency. I guess this is the reason he is no longer allowed entry into KSA.ghulam muhammed wrote:VARIOUS FATWAS AGAINST THE DAI BY SAUDI AUTHORITIES WITH REGARD TO HIS UNISLAMIC PRACTICES :-
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/673.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/674.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/675.pdf
http://abdurrahman.org/aqeeda/fatawa/pdf/pc-2/676.pdf
GM can you please OCR it and post the text in Islam Today?
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
nothing new even kutbuddin shahheed(r) was declared kafir and rafzi by the court of auranzeb(L).
-
humble_servant_us
- Posts: 471
- Joined: Fri Feb 16, 2001 5:01 am
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Your statement is false. I remember Sayedna visiting Mecca for umra a couple of years back and thousands of bohras flock every year for haj and umra. I understand non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca, but presence of bohras in the holy city is a indication that Bohras are not considered non-muslims.I guess this is the reason he is no longer allowed entry into KSA.
By the way fatwas from intolerant saudi clerics have no value. Let's leave it to Allah(swt) to judge.
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Abbass ni waat javado,humble_servant_us wrote:Your statement is false. I remember Sayedna visiting Mecca for umra a couple of years back and thousands of bohras flock every year for haj and umra. I understand non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca, but presence of bohras in the holy city is a indication that Bohras are not considered non-muslims.I guess this is the reason he is no longer allowed entry into KSA.
By the way fatwas from intolerant saudi clerics have no value. Let's leave it to Allah(swt) to judge.
E to navo , navo Wahhabi thayo.
Saudi ehne jaavado.
Ehni gaand par laat parva do.
Hosh thinaake aavado.
Wahhabi jeevan ehne jovaado.
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
the difference which is difficult for your fried brain is if Saudi declares them as Non Muslim then Bohras will not be allowed to do Umrah and Hajj like they have done with Ahmedis aka Qadyani.olum wrote:nothing new even kutbuddin shahheed(r) was declared kafir and rafzi by the court of auranzeb(L).
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
and when is this gonna happen?SBM wrote:the difference which is difficult for your fried brain is if Saudi declares them as Non Muslim then Bohras will not be allowed to do Umrah and Hajj like they have done with Ahmedis aka Qadyani.olum wrote:nothing new even kutbuddin shahheed(r) was declared kafir and rafzi by the court of auranzeb(L).
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Muchas gracias. If I ever get that Prize I'll dedicate it to Maula. I breathe because he breathes.porus wrote: Wow! That took my breath away. What a tour de force! I am going to nominate you for the Nobel Prize for Literature. Sorry for the delay in enjoying this gem of verbal fireworks. I was otherwise occupied in enjoying the frolicking tongue-in-cheek fireworks of the London Olympics Opening Spectacle.
By the way, I meant Total Solar Eclipse. But then you must have guessed this faux pas.
How do you like our new resident poet, mnoorani? I think he is cute and has a lot of talent. Bravo!!
BTW, it looks like whyrangoonwala has become whererangoonwala.
I agree, mnoorani looks promising, I'm beginning to like him.
-
ghulam muhammed
- Posts: 11653
- Joined: Tue Oct 07, 2008 5:34 pm
Re: Are Dawoodi Bohra Muslims?
Bro HSU,humble_servant_us wrote:Your statement is false. I remember Sayedna visiting Mecca for umra a couple of years back
The Dai certainly visited Makkah for Umrah a couple of years back but do you know after how many years ????? Why didnt he visit the holiest place of Muslims for almost 20 years, why didnt he perform Haj/Umrah for almost 20 years although he had all the time in the world to visit the exquisite european locales, USA, Africa etc, sometimes in the garb of Mohurrum tamashas ?