A Good read by Asghar Ali Engineer

[Muslim First]

someone asked
So which is it?

Chronology I posted was from moonsighting.com and I copied info. for purpose of showing chronological order to show that Shiasm was not seperate branch of Islam.

Read this
Did Imaam Abu Hanifa (ra) Study from Imaam Ja’far as-Saadiq
http://gift2shias.com/2009/11/25/did-im ... -as-saadiq


Here is what I found on Imam Malik

Teachers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_ibn_Anas#Teachers
Living in Medina gave Malik access to some of the most learned minds of early Islam. He memorized the Quran in his youth, learning recitation from Imam Abu Suhail Nafi' ibn 'Abd ar-Rahman, from whom he also received his Sanad, or certification and permission to teach others. He studied under various famed scholars including Hisham ibn Urwah, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri, and—along with Imam Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi Sunni Madh'hab-- and under the household of the prophets lineage, Imam Jafar al Sadiq[3] This fact may explain the mutual respect and relative peace that has often existed between the Hanafi and Maliki Sunnis, on one hand, and the Shias on the other

Islamic scholarship is life time work. Imam Malik and Hanifa at least studied with Imam Jafar for brief period.

[someone]

someone asked
So which is it?

Chronology I posted was from moonsighting.com and I copied info. for purpose of showing chronological order to show that Shiasm was not seperate branch of Islam.

Read this
Did Imaam Abu Hanifa (ra) Study from Imaam Ja’far as-Saadiq
http://gift2shias.com/2009/11/25/did-im ... -as-saadiq


Here is what I found on Imam Malik

Teachers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_ibn_Anas#Teachers
Living in Medina gave Malik access to some of the most learned minds of early Islam. He memorized the Quran in his youth, learning recitation from Imam Abu Suhail Nafi' ibn 'Abd ar-Rahman, from whom he also received his Sanad, or certification and permission to teach others. He studied under various famed scholars including Hisham ibn Urwah, Ibn Shihab al-Zuhri, and—along with Imam Abu Hanifa, the founder of the Hanafi Sunni Madh'hab-- and under the household of the prophets lineage, Imam Jafar al Sadiq[3] This fact may explain the mutual respect and relative peace that has often existed between the Hanafi and Maliki Sunnis, on one hand, and the Shias on the other

Islamic scholarship is life time work. Imam Malik and Hanifa at least studied with Imam Jafar for brief period.

Also, the following can be found on wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hanifa

"The Imam went to Medina in 102 A.H. in pursuit of Knowledge and attended the lessons of seven top theologians. The celebrated Imam Musa Kazim and his illustrious father Imam Jafar Sadiq the descendants of Muhammad, were the greatest authorities in Islamic learning of their times and Imām Abū Ḥanīfah took full advantage of their society in Medina. He was highly impressed with the erudition of Imam Ja'far al-Sadiq whom he acknowledged as the most learned man in the world of Islam. Imām Abū Ḥanīfah also attended the classes of Imam Malik who was thirteen years younger than he. It was his good fortune that Umar bin Abdul Aziz had organised the study and recording of Hadiths on a sounder footing. Before the Caliphate of Umar bin Abdul Aziz, the record of Hadiths was confined to the memory of the people. In a letter addressed to the learned men of Medina in 101 A.H., he requested them to preserve in writing the record of Hadiths. Imam Zuhri furnished the first collection of Hadiths. The teaching of Hadiths, too, had undergone a revolutionary change. From his pulpit, the learned teacher discoursed on the subject and the pupils assembled round him with pen and paper and carefully took down the notes. Imām Abū Ḥanīfah had learnt Hadiths from more than four thousand persons."

So, are you still trying to slander the name and reputation of Imam Jafar, who has been accepted by sunnis and shias alike as an exceptional authority regarding Islam along with knowledge regarding a wide range of secular topics?

gift2shias, in being overzealous to discredit anything positive with regards to shia, have started to change facts on widely and historically accepted (by both sunnis and shias) events.

[Muslim First]

someone
So, are you still trying to slander the name and reputation of Imam Jafar, who has been accepted by sunnis and shias alike as an exceptional authority regarding Islam along with knowledge regarding a wide range of secular topics?

If Hanifa and Malik were full time student of Imam Jafar then how come Hanifi and Maliki Madhab did not adopt Shia ideology?
Either Imam Jafar observed Taqiya and did not teach them 9/10 of religion or if they received full knowledge of Islam from him then rejected 9/10 of it.

Just use head and try to reason it out.

[pheonix]

someone
So, are you still trying to slander the name and reputation of Imam Jafar, who has been accepted by sunnis and shias alike as an exceptional authority regarding Islam along with knowledge regarding a wide range of secular topics?

If Hanifa and Malik were full time student of Imam Jafar then how come Hanifi and Maliki Madhab did not adopt Shia ideology?
Either Imam Jafar observed Taqiya and did not teach them 9/10 of religion or if they received full knowledge of Islam from him then rejected 9/10 of it.

Just use head and try to reason it out.

There is a third explanation too. They wanted power themselves and presented a fabricated and bastardized version of Islam

[Muslim First]

If Hanifa and Malik were full time student of Imam Jafar then how come Hanifi and Maliki Madhab did not adopt Shia ideology?
Either Imam Jafar observed Taqiya and did not teach them 9/10 of religion or if they received full knowledge of Islam from him then rejected 9/10 of it.

Just use head and try to reason it out.

There is a third explanation too. They wanted power themselves and presented a fabricated and bastardized version of Islam

Brother, I need you to explain what "bastardized version" of Islam one Billion Sunni Muslims are Follwing?
Secondly tell me what position of power Mali and Hanifa heks?

Please remember
Those who live in Glass houses should not throw stones at others houses.
especially when you are feet kissing, grave worshipping Bohra.

[Muslim First]

Correction

Brother, I need you to explain what "bastardized version" of Islam one Billion Sunni Muslims are Follwing?
Secondly tell me what position of power Mali and Hanifa heks?
Should read

Brother, I need you to explain what "bastardized version" of Islam one Billion Sunni Muslims are Follwing?
Secondly tell me what position of power Imam Malik and Hanifa held?

[Hanif]

MF writes: Why Prophet did not proclame Ali as Imam in Mecca in front of whole Umma but at Gadhir in front of Muslims returning to vicinity of Madina?

Simple. He was told to declare Imam Ali AS as Imam but the Prophet was hesitant, and then he was reminded by Allah SWT to “declare what had been revealed to you otherwise…..and Allah will protect you….

This last verse was revealed between Mecca and Medina. Prophet was hesitant to declare Ali as Imam because he thought there would be chaos as some people hated Imam Ali AS.

And then the prophet asked to call the people back and wait for others who were en route.

This is the Shia belief. You do not have to believe it.Sura Maida is a very long Sura, and most of the ayahs were delivered in Mecca.

The last ayah (Suras and ayahs are not in chronological order) the verse: Deliver what has been revealed to you (referring to the Imamat of Hazarat Ali, AS)….Allah will protect you ….

And this day I have completed your religion. Was revealed between Mecca and Medina at Khum

According to S.V Mir Ahmed Ali::

History reports all the details how the Holy Prophet SAW stopped the caravan, delivered a long sermon on an improvised pulppit and before the mammoth assembly of the thousands of the Hajies called Ali on the pulpit and raising him with the miraculous strength of his apostolic arms declared Ali as the Maula or the Lord of the Muslims as he, the Holy Prophet himself was to them. Immediately as this ceremonial installation of the Imam or the divinely commissioned Guide of mankind in the place of the Holy Prophet, was done., the following verse was revealed naming religion as Islam and declaring it as God’s Own prescribed religion for mankind:

This day have I perfected for you, your religion and have completed My favour on you, and chosen for you Islam the Religion. 5:3



Now MF says:

Actually Aya regarding advice was deliverd during Hajjatul Vida and not at Ghadeer. (That is not what your buddy says in the link below)
Gadhir speech was to mollify soldiers under Hz Ali who were Peed off bacause Hz Ali who were Peed off bacause Hz Ali
made them take off new clothes, and took choice slave girl for himself


I was wondering why you did not go to google or wikipedia, But I was wrong, so I went to see from where you were bringing rubbish because I have noticed you do not read books to understand faiths, but you do what ignorant and lazy people do, I.e. go to wikipedia and google.


Now your slander against Ali and your repeated question “why did the Prophet SAW not appoint Ali AS at Mecca….come from this site:

http://www.schiiten.com/backup/AhlelBay ... khumm.html

If I did not know you better, I would have thought that you are the author of this article.

This is what he said. And he is making the Prophet a liar - taubanauzobillah.

In other words the Prophet twisted Allah SWT’s message to save Ali.

He says this while agreeing it was a slander!!!!

The Prophet’s intention behind saying what he said at Ghadir Khumm was not at all to nominate Ali (رضّى الله عنه) as Caliph but rather it was only to defend Ali (رضّى الله عنه) against the slander being said against him. It is only by removing the background context that it is possible to render a Shia understanding of the text; it is for this reason that we should always remind our Shia brothers of the background context in which the Hadith of Ghadir Khumm was said.

What a pathetic liar! You have a lot of company out there MF

Your buddy agrees that this sura was revealed at Ghadir E Khum. So why are you in denial?

In other words the Prophet twisted Allah SWT’s message to save Ali. Way to go MF in this Holy Month of Ramadhan!


Slander, is your profession, against Qur’an, Sunnah and Ahadith!I did not see the incident about the woman and new clothes, but then again I got tired of reading this b.s.
May be it will be in another link, but I have no time to waste on Jahaliyas.


And here is the wikipedia version which makes sense but you did not want to admit what the truth was. Intelligent Sunnis accept this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_ ... d_of_Khumm


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[anajmi]

This is the Shia belief.

Thank you for making sure you state that. You have also stated that all shia believe that Ali is Allah. And you have also stated that the Quran that we have is a corrupt version of the original Quran. Enough said!!!

It's a pity you do not read my posts, otherwise, you would have no response!! The only thing people like you have learned from the Quran and the Sunnah of the prophet (saw) is how to shoot yourselves in the foot!!

We can keep debating the interpretation of what the prophet (saw) said till the day of judgment. It is not going to change the fact that Hazrat Ali did not "succeed" the prophet (saw). Hazrat Abu Bakr was the first khalifa and Hazrat Ali was the fourth khalifa and he served the first 3 khalifas in a way that would put any 2 bit 12-hour-fast idol worshipper to shame. You can whine all day long, but that is one fact that no infallible Imam is going to be able to change!!

[Muslim First]

We can keep debating the interpretation of what the prophet (saw) said till the day of judgment. It is not going to change the fact that Hazrat Ali did not "succeed" the prophet (saw). Hazrat Abu Bakr was the first khalifa and Hazrat Ali was the fourth khalifa and he served the first 3 khalifas in a way that would put any 2 bit 12-hour-fast idol worshipper to shame. You can whine all day long, but that is one fact that no infallible Imam is going to be able to change!!

Very well said

[Muslim First]

Hanif Said
What a pathetic liar! You have a lot of company out there MF

Your buddy agrees that this sura was revealed at Ghadir E Khum. So why are you in denial?

Hanif Bhai
AS
Have you heard or seen or peeked at Kitab called
Tafseer Ibn Kathir?
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=731
Ibn Kathir's Introduction
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=577
The Sources Of Tafsir
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=578
If someone asks about the best methods of Tafsir, we reply that the best method is to explain the Qur'an with the Qur'an itself. What is mentioned in general terms in one place in the Qur'an, is usually explained in another place. When one does not find this easily, he should look to the Sunnah because its purpose is to explain the Qur'an and elaborate upon its meanings.

Now Your fvorite quote from qur'an
This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
is part of 5:3

You know the most favourite trick of Shia is "Half Haditing" and pratiial Aya quoting?
This Aya indicates that Islam was completed after the commad of eating and not appointing Imam Ali.
5:3
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=60
﴿حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالْدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَآ أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَآ أَكَلَ السَّبُعُ إِلاَّ مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَأَنْ تَسْتَقْسِمُواْ بِالاٌّزْلاَمِ ذَلِكُمْ فِسْقٌ الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِى وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الأِسْلاَمَ دِيناً فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِى مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لإِثْمٍ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ﴾

(5:3). Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al-Maytah (the dead animals), blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for other than Allah, and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns ـand that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal ـunless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) - and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An-Nusub (stone altars). (Forbidden) also is to make decisions with Al-Azlam (arrows) (all) that is Fisq (disobedience and sin). This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above mentioned animals), then surely, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

Islam Has Been Perfected For Muslims

Allah said,
(This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.)

This, indeed, is the biggest favor from Allah to this Ummah, for He has completed their religion for them, and they, thus, do not need any other religion or any other Prophet except Muhammad . This is why Allah made Muhammad the Final Prophet and sent him to all humans and Jinn. Therefore, the permissible is what he allows, the impermissible is what he prohibits, the Law is what he legislates and everything that he conveys is true and authentic and does not contain lies or contradictions. Allah said;
(And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice,) meaning, it is true in what it conveys and just in what it commands and forbids. When Allah completed the religion for Muslims, His favor became complete for them as well. Allah said,

(This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.)
meaning, accept Islam for yourselves, for it is the religion that Allah likes and which He chose for you, and it is that with which He sent the best of the honorable Messengers and the most glorious of His Books.

Ibn Jarir recorded that Harun bin `Antarah said that his father said

(This day, I have perfected your religion for you...) was revealed, during the great day of Hajj (the Day of `Arafah, the ninth day of Dhul-Hijjah)
`Umar cried. The Prophet said, `What makes you cry' He said, `What made me cry is that our religion is being perfected for us. Now it is perfect, nothing is perfect, but it is bound to deteriorate.'
The Prophet said,
(You have said the truth.)''
What supports the meaning of this Hadith is the authentic Hadith,
(Islam was strange in its beginning and will return strange once more. Therefore, Tuba for the strangers.) Imam Ahmad recorded that Tariq bin Shihab said, "A Jewish man said to `Umar bin Al-Khattab, `O Leader of the Believers! There is a verse in your Book, which is read by all of you (Muslims), and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on which it was revealed) as a day of celebration.' `Umar bin Al-Khattab asked, `Which is that verse' The Jew replied, s
(This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you...) `Umar replied, `By Allah! I know when and where this verse was revealed to Allah's Messenger . It was the evening on the Day of `Arafah on a Friday.''' Al-Bukhari recorded this Hadith through Al-Hasan bin As-Sabbah from Ja`far bin `Awn. Muslim, At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasa'i also recorded this Hadith. In the narration collected by Al-Bukhari in the book of Tafsir, through Tariq, he said, "The Jews said to `Umar, `By Allah! There is a verse that is read by all of you (Muslims), and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on which it was revealed) as a day of celebration.' `Umar said, `By Allah! I know when and where this verse was revealed and where the Messenger of Allah was at that time. It was the day of `Arafah, and I was at `Arafah, by Allah.'' Sufyan (one of the narrators) doubted if Friday was mentioned in this narration. Sufyan's confusion was either because he was unsure if his teacher included this statement in the Hadith or not. Otherwise, if it was because he doubted that the particular day during the Farewell Hajj was a Friday, it would be a mistake that could not and should not have come from someone like Sufyan Ath-Thawri. The fact that it was a Friday, is agreed on by the scholars of Sirah and Fiqh. There are numerous Hadiths that support this fact that are definitely authentic and of the Mutawatir type. This Hadith was also reported from `Umar through various chains of narration.

so as per Ahadith this Aya wqs revealed on Mecca not at Gadhir

[anajmi]

A good catch bro Muslim First.

Here is another way to look at it. If we accept the shia version, then the proclamation of the prophet (saw) that Ali is the Mawla or whomever I am the Mawla, was what completed the religion of Islam. Hazrat Ali didn't have to actually become a "successor" for the religion to be completed. Otherwise, this ayah would've been revealed after the succession of Hazrat Ali.

Either that or the shia version of Islam is still incomplete because Hazrat Ali never succeeded the prophet (saw)!!

[porus]

Dear brother Muslim First,

We have already proven that the Quran is a Shia fiction along with all the Sunni ahadith using your criterion of 'not having been witnessed by the entire Ummat'. Yet you keep quoting these very sources. One day when you will finally discover that Allah is an extra-terrestrial secretly confounding the workings of your dimaagh, you will wake up and consider other fictional viewpoints, such as the one from Allamah Tabatabai in his monumental Quranic tafseer about ayat 5:3.

I know that you will not read the following link but let others read so they can dismiss your erudition as not being worth a 'hill of beans':

http://www.tafseercomparison.org/study2 ... erse%205:3

The link is the comparison of tafseers of ayat 5:3 by ibn Kathir, Maududi and Tabatabai (two Sunnis and one Shia).

[Hanif]

Hanif Said
What a pathetic liar! You have a lot of company out there MF

Your buddy agrees that this sura was revealed at Ghadir E Khum. So why are you in denial?

Hanif Bhai
AS
Have you heard or seen or peeked at Kitab called
Tafseer Ibn Kathir? What about you MF????? Have you? Are you changing the subject now.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=731
Ibn Kathir's Introduction
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=577
The Sources Of Tafsir
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... Itemid=578
If someone asks about the best methods of Tafsir, we reply that the best method is to explain the Qur'an with the Qur'an itself. What is mentioned in general terms in one place in the Qur'an, is usually explained in another place. When one does not find this easily, he should look to the Sunnah because its purpose is to explain the Qur'an and elaborate upon its meanings.

But my dear brother so far you have failed to follow the Qur'an and have not followed the Sunnah or the hadith and now you have not followed Ibn Kathir because you do not go to Qur'an but to WIKIPEDIA AND GOOGLE.. I have proved it to you in this very forum. So why are you going in circles?

Chota mu badi baat bhai, that is what you are.

Now Your fvorite quote from qur'an
This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.
is part of 5:3

You know the most favourite trick of Shia is "Half Haditing" and pratiial Aya quoting?And brother MF, the most favorite trick of yours is going to anti-Shia links to prove your point and when you are caught red handed you try to divert the subject. You cannot prove anything and then resort to slander lies and more lies which you are doing now. Go on.
This Aya indicates that Islam was completed after the commad of eating and not appointing Imam Ali.
5:3So now it is about eating and NOT ABOUT ALI AS AND THE GIRL AND NEW CLOTHESE ETC....FOR YOUR INFORMATION, the Prophet had already delivered his sermons about eating, and rituals in Mecca. The said Ayah was delivered in Khum. Your buddy who gave you the idea of asking "Why did not Prophet declare Ali AS as Imam in Mecca says himself that this ayah was declared in Khum.
http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option ... &Itemid=60
﴿حُرِّمَتْ عَلَيْكُمُ الْمَيْتَةُ وَالْدَّمُ وَلَحْمُ الْخِنْزِيرِ وَمَآ أُهِلَّ لِغَيْرِ اللَّهِ بِهِ وَالْمُنْخَنِقَةُ وَالْمَوْقُوذَةُ وَالْمُتَرَدِّيَةُ وَالنَّطِيحَةُ وَمَآ أَكَلَ السَّبُعُ إِلاَّ مَا ذَكَّيْتُمْ وَمَا ذُبِحَ عَلَى النُّصُبِ وَأَنْ تَسْتَقْسِمُواْ بِالاٌّزْلاَمِ ذَلِكُمْ فِسْقٌ الْيَوْمَ يَئِسَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ مِن دِينِكُمْ فَلاَ تَخْشَوْهُمْ وَاخْشَوْنِ الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِى وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الأِسْلاَمَ دِيناً فَمَنِ اضْطُرَّ فِى مَخْمَصَةٍ غَيْرَ مُتَجَانِفٍ لإِثْمٍ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ﴾

(5:3). Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al-Maytah (the dead animals), blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for other than Allah, and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns ـand that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal ـunless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) - and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An-Nusub (stone altars). (Forbidden) also is to make decisions with Al-Azlam (arrows) (all) that is Fisq (disobedience and sin). This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above mentioned animals), then surely, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.)

Islam Has Been Perfected For Muslims

Allah said,
(This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.)

Islam was the religion from the creation. After declaring Hazarat Ali AS as the Imam, Allah SWT perfected the religion of Islam for the Muslims. Whether you believe in the message of Ghadir or not YOU ARE STILL A MUSLIM because you recite the Shahadah. I consider you a Muslim. Above all you are a human being and you are not perfect and neither am I. I still love you as a brother and fellow human being because without that love I will be detested by Allah SWT and I would not be considered a Believer.However, the difference between you and me is that you do not consider anybody who does not follow your ghalat intererpetation, as Muslim. You mock fun of others beliefs without understanding them, slander their leaders, ec. Is that really Islam? Ask yourself.

This, indeed, is the biggest favor from Allah to this Ummah,No it is not that. It was the appointment of Ali AS to succeed the Prophet with whose Cosmic Power this universe runs. In the absence of the Prophet, the Cosmic power was transferred to Ali AS. Without Imam on earth this earth would not survive. But what would you understand? This information is not provided in the links you read. for He has completed their religion for them, and they, thus, do not need any other religion or any other Prophet except Muhammad . This is why Allah made Muhammad the Final Prophet and sent him to all humans and Jinn. Therefore, the permissible is what he allows, the impermissible is what he prohibits, the Law is what he legislates and everything that he conveys is true and authentic and does not contain lies or contradictions. Allah said;
(And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice,) meaning, it is true in what it conveys and just in what it commands and forbids. When Allah completed the religion for Muslims, His favor became complete for them as well. Allah said,

(This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.)
meaning, accept Islam for yourselves, for it is the religion that Allah likes and which He chose for you, and it is that with which He sent the best of the honorable Messengers and the most glorious of His Books.

Ibn Jarir recorded that Harun bin `Antarah said that his father said

(This day, I have perfected your religion for you...) was revealed, during the great day of Hajj (the Day of `Arafah, the ninth day of Dhul-Hijjah)
`Umar cried. The Prophet said, `What makes you cry' He said, `What made me cry is that our religion is being perfected for us. Now it is perfect, nothing is perfect, but it is bound to deteriorate.'
The Prophet said,
(You have said the truth.)''
What supports the meaning of this Hadith is the authentic Hadith,
(Islam was strange in its beginning and will return strange once more. Therefore, Tuba for the strangers.) Imam Ahmad recorded that Tariq bin Shihab said, "A Jewish man said to `Umar bin Al-Khattab, `O Leader of the Believers! There is a verse in your Book, which is read by all of you (Muslims), and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on which it was revealed) as a day of celebration.' `Umar bin Al-Khattab asked, `Which is that verse' The Jew replied, s
(This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you...) `Umar replied, `By Allah! I know when and where this verse was revealed to Allah's Messenger . It was the evening on the Day of `Arafah on a Friday.''' Al-Bukhari recorded this Hadith through Al-Hasan bin As-Sabbah from Ja`far bin `Awn. Muslim, At-Tirmidhi and An-Nasa'i also recorded this Hadith. In the narration collected by Al-Bukhari in the book of Tafsir, through Tariq, he said, "The Jews said to `Umar, `By Allah! There is a verse that is read by all of you (Muslims), and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on which it was revealed) as a day of celebration.' `Umar said, `By Allah! I know when and where this verse was revealed and where the Messenger of Allah was at that time. It was the day of `Arafah, and I was at `Arafah, by Allah.'' Sufyan (one of the narrators) doubted if Friday was mentioned in this narration. Sufyan's confusion was either because he was unsure if his teacher included this statement in the Hadith or not. Otherwise, if it was because he doubted that the particular day during the Farewell Hajj was a Friday, it would be a mistake that could not and should not have come from someone like Sufyan Ath-Thawri. The fact that it was a Friday, is agreed on by the scholars of Sirah and Fiqh. There are numerous Hadiths that support this fact that are definitely authentic and of the Mutawatir type. This Hadith was also reported from `Umar through various chains of narration.

so as per Ahadith this Aya wqs revealed on Mecca not at Gadhir

In other words the link from which you were growling is wrong. He said the Ayah was delivered in Khum. So you do not believe that BUT YOU BELIEVE IT WAS ABOUT ALI AND SLAVE GIRL, ETC. HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE SOME AND NOT THE REST? nOW TELL ME WAS IT ABOUT ALI as AND THE SLAVE GIRL, ETC.....?

You know what don't bother. No use wasting my time.

[anajmi]

http://www.tafseercomparison.org/study2 ... erse%205:3

The link is the comparison of tafseers of ayat 5:3 by ibn Kathir, Maududi and Tabatabai (two Sunnis and one Shia).

We have to also consider the purpose behind the tafseer. Is there an agenda that the mufassir is following? The only one with an agenda is the shia mufassir. He needs to prove the validity of Imamat and hence his tafseer is inclined that way. It is not an unbiased tafseer unlike that of the other two. Someone once stated on this very forum (quoting someone else) that even the Devil will use the Quran in his defense on the day of judgement!! The biggest thing to remember is that Hazrat Ali did not "succeed" the prophet (saw). So either the religion of Islam was not completed or that it's completion was not dependent upon Hazrat Ali's succession.

We have to also remember that Allah says many times in the Quran that we have made it easy to understand. However, how easy is it to understand if it takes twenty pages of tafseer to understand 1 ayah of the Quran??

[anajmi]

We have already proven that the Quran is a Shia fiction along with all the Sunni ahadith using your criterion of 'not having been witnessed by the entire Ummat'.

We have also proven that according to Hanif, all shia believe that Ali is Allah and that the Quran that we have today is not the real Quran.