A Question

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zulfikar123
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A Question

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Unread post by zulfikar123 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 1:56 am

Whenever there is a audio relay or anything related with Aqa Moula, it is said by the jamaat member that it is with great ehsaan and karam he is granting the raza to do this and abdes should take barakaat. My question is that, is'nt it his job to do all these thing without doing ehsaan and karaam to his subject.Even the normal thing he is doing like leading a namaz, ete he is doing an ehsaan and karam to the dbs. I think the abde do what they do because of the weight of these piles of ehsaan and karam of Maula.

who2trust
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Re: A Question

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Unread post by who2trust » Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:56 am

very good point brother, but its not very difficult to understand why they always say "maula na karam ane eshaan che". kothar always want to keep the old tradition of baadshah and ghulam and this one of the main reason.

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: A Question

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:56 am

everything good that happens in an abde's life is due to mola's beshumaar ehsaan ane karam. (the bad things are due to his weak aqeeda for the dai).

even the daily cleansing of bowels and release of flatulence is mola's ehsaan ane karam.

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Re: A Question

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Unread post by pheonix » Mon Oct 29, 2012 3:30 am

Al Zulfiqar wrote:everything good that happens in an abde's life is due to mola's beshumaar ehsaan ane karam. (the bad things are due to his weak aqeeda for the dai).

even the daily cleansing of bowels and release of flatulence is mola's ehsaan ane karam.
Yes it is. I hope you lose that ability for a week or so. And then you'll know how much of an Ahsaan it is.

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: A Question

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:41 am

risen-from-the-dead phoenix,

looks like in your case mola's beshumaar ehsaan ane karam is not working. you are so full of sh** and flatulence that it seems to have been accumulating inside you since years!

just a daily dua and vasilo to mola is not going to work. what you need is to send in an arzi to hazrate aaliyah imamiya burhaniyah qudsaniyah through your local amil or zaada with a fakhir najwa of atleast 52534/=. only then will you attain a thorough cleansing.

if that still doesnt work, the other alternative is a buffalo purgative, administered by a vet, i.e. myself, in the form of a 2 lb suppository.

Rationalist
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Re: A Question

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Unread post by Rationalist » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:45 pm

This is because the Dai has been elevated to the status of a divine omnipotent God. Bohra are meant to do sajdo to him. Whatever a bohra has in his life is all his bounties. They do dua to him. They seek his forgiveness. The typical greeting is 'Kaim cho?' and the the typical answer is 'Moula ni dua chey'. 'Moula jannat ma lai jasey'. Tiffin system has now made them say 'Moula hamney jamaarey che'

Forget Allah, Dai is the new GOD.

Muslim First
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Re: A Question

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:35 pm

Forget Allah, Dai is the new GOD.

Bohras should abandon 'Mashah Allah' and 'Al hamodo Lillah' and say 'Mashah DaiAllah' and 'Al hamodo Dai Allah'.

londonwala
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Re: A Question

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Unread post by londonwala » Sat Nov 03, 2012 9:15 am

Muslim First wrote:Forget Allah, Dai is the new GOD.

Bohras should abandon 'Mashah Allah' and 'Al hamodo Lillah' and say 'Mashah DaiAllah' and 'Al hamodo Dai Allah'.
This does actually happen. I know people who say "Al hamd e Mawla"

WhyPaySabil
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Re: A Question

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Unread post by WhyPaySabil » Sat Nov 03, 2012 1:41 pm

I have a hardcore friend at Work And he says dai is divine. I said that is anti Islamic because even the prophets aren't divine. He said dai is higher than prophets. I told him that just contradicts with being a Muslim so he said we aren't Muslims. Momeen is the only community going to jannat because of dai. Pretty sure db is going to adopt concept similar to trinity in Christianity. It is so sad because the average bohra is better educated than other sects.

Al Zulfiqar
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Re: A Question

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:00 pm

Muslim First wrote:Forget Allah, Dai is the new GOD.

Bohras should abandon 'Mashah Allah' and 'Al hamodo Lillah' and say 'Mashah DaiAllah' and 'Al hamodo Dai Allah'.
very soon they will also recite at the maiyyat of a bohra "INNA LID DAI E, WA INNA DAI E RAJEUN"

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Re: A Question

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Unread post by brain_dead » Sun Nov 04, 2012 9:43 pm

Sorry to write out of context, but I am not being able to access the site, gives me a forbidden error. So today I accessed it today via TOR. What could be the reason.

Muslim First
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Re: A Question

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sun Nov 04, 2012 10:52 pm

Rationalist wrote:
Forget Allah, Dai is the new GOD.
I did not say this. It was Br Rationalist said that.