How would Imam verify True Dai

[SBM]

Questions have been asked how DB Dai verify True Imam
Since Boharas in general have many DAIs whether it is Dawoodi Bohra, Alavi Bohra, Sulemani Bohra and now Yamani Bohra the question need to be answered how would Imam verify a TRUE DAI since all these Dais call themselves the vicegerent of Hidden Imam
A true Imam who is according to Shia belief is a true follower of Ahl-Bayt who lived very simple, pious life, A true Imam will follow the example of lives of Ahl-e-Bayt so question is how would IMAM VERIFY A TRUE DAI BEFORE A TRUE DAI CAN VERIFY THE TRUE IMAM

[progticide]

SBM,

The subject of this topic itself exhibits your ignorance about matters of DB dawat. What can be said about those idiots who liked your post is anybody's guess. (Prof. Poo [Porus], did you take your brain out of the refrigerator, or is it still lying there?)

Initially, I didn't even want to comment on this topic, but then, you morons would have started shouting around on other threads that DBs do not answer the questions, thereby derailing other rational threads.

What nonsense question is this: How Imam would verify the Dai? Idiot, you think the True Imam is hiding somewhere in some underground cave, or remote amazonian tribe, oblivious from the entire world and dawat? You think True Imam in seclusion(Satr) means physical concealment? This shows how little you know about the faith that you have embarked upon criticizing on this forum.

The True Imam in seclusion means that the identity of the Imam is concealed, not his physical self (this is the primary difference between Satr and Ghaibat. The Isna Asharis believe their 12th Imam is in ghaibat, which means physical concealment). The True Imam could be living an ordinary life in Portugal, or he could be disguised as an Arab entrepreneur, or a scientist in Mexico, or a general physician practising in cyprus. He could be a tribesman in Algeria, or a zamindar in Bihar or Bangladesh. He could be disguised as anyone, only concealing his true identity, not his physical self. Which means he is absolutely and completely aware of each and everything that is happening around in the world, as well as the Dawat, which belongs to Him. His cabinet is intact and active, including all those who had entered seclusion(satr) with Him, their identities concealed just the same way. Which means, we dont know anything about Him, but he is constantly aware of everything to do with us and Dawat, i.e. His real Dawat and His genuine Dai, with whom His channels of communication are established as per requirement.

Next time, kindly study the subject matter before jumping onto starting useless topic for discussions.

[asad]

Progticide,

Can you confirm if Syedna knows the physical whereabouts of the Imam.

[progticide]

Progticide,

Can you confirm if Syedna knows the physical whereabouts of the Imam.

My guess is as good as any other ordinary DB in this regard.

[SBM]

The True Imam could be living an ordinary life in Portugal, or he could be disguised as an Arab entrepreneur, or a scientist in Mexico, or a general physician practising in cyprus

That is why Syenda goes to Germany every year to meet the True Imam who may be his doctor
You did not answer the question Alavi and Sulmeni Dai say the same thing so who is the true DAI and how would IMAM VERIFY THE TRUE DAI?

he is absolutely and completely aware of each and everything that is happening around in the world, as well as the Dawat, which belongs to Him.

So that proves two things, if he is aware how his Dawat is being plundered and being misused then he is not Masoom since he becomes a co-conspirator in the violence which happened in Udaipur Masjid and him being silent when 6 of his followers getting killed in Karachi Bomb Blast.
The second thing if Dawat belongs to him why does he need the DAI to verify him.

[pheonix]

The second thing if Dawat belongs to him why does he need the DAI to verify him.

He doesn't need the DAI or anybody else, the people need the DAI to verify the Imam.

[SBM]

He doesn't need the DAI or anybody else, the people need the DAI to verify the Imam.

Then tell your Master Adam to stop asking this question since DAI already knows who the True Imam and he should declare it before Alavi or Sulemany Dai question the validity of True Imam

[pheonix]

He doesn't need the DAI or anybody else, the people need the DAI to verify the Imam.

Then tell your Master Adam to stop asking this question since DAI already knows who the True Imam and he should declare it before Alavi or Sulemany Dai question the validity of True Imam

He will certainly declare it whenever or to whomever the Imam allows him to.
The question of Adam is since you don't believe that Syedna is the legitimate DAI, what other means will be used (besides talking to him in exotic languages) to verify him as your Imam.

[SBM]

Here goes Phoenix when could not answer the question he goes GIBRRISH

[pheonix]

Here goes Phoenix when could not answer the question he goes GIBRRISH

You didnt have a question, just a foolish suggestion.

[SBM]

pheonix on Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:05 am

SBM wrote:Here goes Phoenix when could not answer the question he goes GIBRRISH


You didnt have a question, just a foolish suggestion.

so you did not have a productive counter suggestion and that is why you went GIBRRISH

[pheonix]

pheonix on Mon Oct 22, 2012 7:05 am

SBM wrote:Here goes Phoenix when could not answer the question he goes GIBRRISH


You didnt have a question, just a foolish suggestion.

so you did not have a productive counter suggestion and that is why you went GIBRRISH

SBM, you really are a downer for the average IQ level on this forum.
That is why considering outliers is a good idea

[progticide]

SBM,
Do you recall what did your wife hit you with on your head the last time you pestered her with your nonsense?

Quick Test: Look at yourself in the mirror. How many human faces do you see?
If you see 1, The injury is superficial. A few days rest and no TV, no food, no water and no Internet.
If you see 2, The injury is acute and deep. Seek medical opinion soon.
If you see 3, The injury is serious. Immediate medical attention.
If you see a Donkey, You are normal. You can continue with your stupidity.

[SBM]

If you see a Donkey, You are normal. You can continue with your stupidity.

Progticide
I saw Donkey but I did not realize it was you Thanks for clarifying
LET US GET BACK TO MY ORIGINAL TOPIC HOW WOULD IMAM VERIFY THE TRUE DAI

[Humsafar]

Pesticide and half-risen Phoenix,
So from your scholarly response laced with abuse we can safely conclude the following:
1) That Dawoodi Bohras are a true Tayyabi sect and their Dai is a genuine Dai.
2) That the Imam is in touch with his Dai and is aware of what is going on in the Dawat and the world.
3) That the Imam is aware of how Dawat has distorted DB faith to loot Bohras and fill up its coffers.
4) That the Imam is aware of how the illegitimate "royal family" has taken control of the Dawat.
5) That the Imam is aware of all the unIslamic practices imposed on the community.
6) That the Imam is aware of all this and has presumably given his consent as Dawat's depredations continue unabated.
7) That by being aware of and agreeable to Dawat's crimes you're implicating the Imam also in these crimes.
8- That you morons do not really understand the implication of all this.

But our faith tells us that the Imam is infallible and we take that as a given. So we have to conclude that an infallible Imam will never accept this criminal Dawat and the Dai who heads it. The DB Dai and the DB Imam cannot be on the same side. The Dai stands for untruth and the Imam stands for truth. And we genuine Dawoodi Bohras are on the side of truth and the Imam. So it can be safely conclude that the Dai of Burhani Bohras is false. And their Imam who is party to this cruel and criminal organisation called Dawat is also false.

[Al Zulfiqar]

he is absolutely and completely aware of each and everything that is happening around in the world, as well as the Dawat, which belongs to Him.he is constantly aware of everything to do with us and Dawat,

so according to you he is aware that the dawoodi bohra dai is indulging in illicit activities, looting his followers in the name of deen, selling bogus titles, murdering wildlife for sport and pleasure, living a life of ayyashi alongwith his huge family, getting his abdes to do sajda to him and make jootis for him out of their khaals, spreading stories of false miracles, calling himself natiqe quran, haqiqi kaaba and ilah ul ardh?

if he is 'constantly aware' as you say of the dai and non-existent dawat's haraam activities, then what is this true imam doing, hiding in seclusion? is he afraid to reveal himself in case the dawoodi bohra dai's henchmen kill him, or is he a coward? both of these possibilities are apocryphal and ludicrous, so either the dai is aware of where the imam is hiding and has jailed him and rendered him incapable or there is no imam!!

please clarify. thank you.

[humanbeing]

What nonsense question is this: How Imam would verify the Dai? Idiot, you think the True Imam is hiding somewhere in some underground cave, or remote amazonian tribe, oblivious from the entire world and dawat? You think True Imam in seclusion(Satr) means physical concealment? This shows how little you know about the faith that you have embarked upon criticizing on this forum.

Daah ! you are very hysterical dear ! weaving response of your own. The question is how would true Imam verify true dai ?

The True Imam in seclusion means that the identity of the Imam is concealed, not his physical self (this is the primary difference between Satr and Ghaibat. The Isna Asharis believe their 12th Imam is in ghaibat, which means physical concealment).

Agreed ! now please answer How the true Imam will verify the True Dai, when his identity is concealed from his believers (who are commoners)

The True Imam could be living an ordinary life in Portugal, or he could be disguised as an Arab entrepreneur, or a scientist in Mexico, or a general physician practising in cyprus. He could be a tribesman in Algeria, or a zamindar in Bihar or Bangladesh. He could be disguised as anyone, only concealing his true identity, not his physical self.

Agreed !

Which means he is absolutely and completely aware of each and everything that is happening around in the world, as well as the Dawat, which belongs to Him. His cabinet is intact and active, including all those who had entered seclusion(satr) with Him, their identities concealed just the same way. Which means, we dont know anything about Him, but he is constantly aware of everything to do with us and Dawat, i.e. His real Dawat and His genuine Dai, with whom His channels of communication are established as per requirement.

Agreed ! True Imam knows the True Dai and True Dai knows the True Imam, True Imam appoints the True Dai.but identity of True Imam is concealed from believers (commoners).

Alavi Dai, Sulemani Dai, DB Dai, says they are true representative of Imam individually. Possible explanation are

All are true representative of Same True Imam : Is it possible ?
Only one is True Representative of One True Imam : Other are liars ?
All are True Representative of their respective True Imam : Is it possible ?

[SBM]

progticide on Mon Oct 22, 2012 8:43 am

SBM,
Do you recall what did your wife hit you with on your head the last time you pestered her with your nonsense?

Yep she hit me with a fat envelope (which was stuffed with my hard earned money ) she wanted to give as Najwa to Kothari Goons
LET US COME BACK TO ORIGINAL QUESTION HOW WOULD IMAM VERIFY A TRUE DAI?

[Bohra spring]

Hey so slowly kothar are guiding abdes that the imam could be someone around.

So he will be foolish to be living in a hot tent in some desert, doing regular hard work while his Mansoos that he appointed is flying first class and feasting on ziafats.

Az what slum stuff you are bothering him with? He has bigger problems on his hands, he has to make sure the salaams and ziafat cash collected which technically is his and mansoos is just the agent, is properly stored and accounted , would you trust the kothar zadas.

That also answers the question he does not need to verify, he has 3 diais working for him and at preset the dawoodi is raking in big cash and exceeding sales, while others are too self conscious ?

Now how do the imams do naas on each other assuming the current imam must have inherited his position. I hope there are no doubts there that the last to imams did not do proper naas, and how would we know

We have a doubtful dia dynasty telling us the imam is authentic, this imam has made an error in appointing the mazoon , who did not know when his deal expired ...very confusing

If the Diai and imam made such blunders Like in our case while in corporate lives they would have lost their jobs long ago.

[Adam]

What a bunch of losers.
You don't believe in the Imam? Fine. It's very clear.

You Proggies/Reformists/Opposition (SMB and Bohra Spring included), don't believe in the Imam, let alone the Dai.
They don't believe in the Fatimid Imamate.
Tomorrow they'll mock the Pajatan (and Porus will try to answer)
And day after you'll mock the Prophet.

Let it be clear.
You Proggies/Reformists/Opposition have complete lost your belief.

[Maqbool]

Breaking News by Dawoodi Bohra Reporter:

The Last Dawoodi Bohra’s Imam expired today. Since he does not have any heir he has appointed the Dawoodi bohra Dai as Imam. He has also announced that Dai will perform double duty of Imam as well as Dai.

The Imam has further advised Dai that to give barakat to mumenins he should take jiyafat, Salams, Vajebats separates for Imam and Dai. He has also advised Dai that being appointed as Imam he should make kadam to every house of mumenis, but since his health does not permit him to do so he should ask every mumenis to come to Mombai or Lonavla with the plans of their house so that the newly appointed Imam will put his foot on the plan and perform Kadam. As a Dai he can put foot twice on the plan if a mumenin wish to do kadam of dai as well.

The Imam has announced that hence forth the next Imam will be the elder son of the last Imam, and to keep this chain unbroken the Imam should make 4 marriages so that the situation of heirless Imam can be avoided. The all other sons of Imam- us- Jaman will automatically become hududs. All the hududs with the last Imam will not be considered as hudud.

The Imam told the mumenis that ”Karam ane ehsan farmavi ne Allahtaala e 2 2 neamat ata farmavi che, AA nemat no bharpur labh lai le. Khuda e aapeli nemat ne kharchi ne Jannat no thofo kharidi le.

[ghulam muhammed]

The True Imam in seclusion means that the identity of the Imam is concealed, not his physical self (this is the primary difference between Satr and Ghaibat. The Isna Asharis believe their 12th Imam is in ghaibat, which means physical concealment). The True Imam could be living an ordinary life in Portugal, or he could be disguised as an Arab entrepreneur, or a scientist in Mexico, or a general physician practising in cyprus. He could be a tribesman in Algeria, or a zamindar in Bihar or Bangladesh. He could be disguised as anyone, only concealing his true identity, not his physical self. Which means he is absolutely and completely aware of each and everything that is happening around in the world, as well as the Dawat, which belongs to Him. His cabinet is intact and active, including all those who had entered seclusion(satr) with Him, their identities concealed just the same way. Which means, we dont know anything about Him, but he is constantly aware of everything to do with us and Dawat, i.e. His real Dawat and His genuine Dai, with whom His channels of communication are established as per requirement.

Now people will have to take the services of CIA, FBI, KGB or even Mossad to carry out further investigations and identify the hidden Imam.