Can such System last for long?

[S. Insaf]

Can such Materialistic and Opportunistic System last for long?
As Allah-almighty has said all human beings (including Imams and Dais) are born and grown out of a clot. Their bodies are of perishable flesh and so they also die like ordinary men and get buried.
But a mortal man becomes King because of a kingdom he/she rules. Sultan because of the sultanate he/she rules. And a mortal King or a Sultan in order to project himself superior and larger than life over the others, lives a luxurious life in majestic palaces sits on a high throne and needs making continuous show of his enormous wealth and strength.
But then there are exceptions. The holy Prophet of Islam Hazrat Mohammad (pbuh) lived an exemplary simple life and still we call him "Sarkar-e-Doaalam" (Commander of both worlds) and Hazrat Ali ibne-Abi-Talib lived a very simple life of a poor man yet we call him "Moula-e-Kayenat" (Lord of Universe).
It was because our unlettered Prophet (pbuh) was of noble birth and nobler in the grace and wisdom of human love and human understanding. He grew steadfastly in virtue and purity and worked and enjoyed in honest labour. He stood for all humanity, orphans, poor, widow women, and slaves, oppressed and neglected.
When wealth was within his reach, he remained happy in poverty and used the wealth for others.

The wealth and prosperity came in the Dawoodi Bohra Community during first and second world wars in the beginning of 20th century (around 1918 and 1942) due to hard work and fair dealings in trade by then Dawoodi Bohras. It was a period dominated by materialistic and worldly ambitions of late 51st Dai, Syedna Taher Saifuddin. He and his son Mohammad Burhanuddin were born in poverty and in a narrow room in a dilapidated house at Zapa Bazar Surat. But immediately after he became Dai in 1915 he shifted to Bombay and started consolidated his financial empire. The Bombay High Court had rejected his claims of ownership of Bohra community's properties and he being accountable to non in 1917. But he had decided to impose his absolute control over the wealth and properties of the community in order to be their master-in-command. He did it. Soon he started living in Badri Mahal and Saifee Mahal. As Amir Moaviyah converted 'Khilafat in to 'Badshahat' (Monarchy) Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb soon converted 'Fatemi Dawat' in to his Sultanate and started calling himself as Sultan and his family members as Shahzada/Shahzadi.

Hazrat Ali ibne-abi Talib (A.S.) had two slaves Qamber and Saed. They related after the death of Hazrat Ali:
1) Hazrat very seldom gave them chance to serve him. He used to do his own work for himself, used to wash his own clothing, used even to patch them whenever needed, he used to draw water from well for his daily use.
2) Hazrat would give them good food and decent dresses and would himself eat and dress like poor man.
3) Obaidullah-ibne-Abbas was one of Hazrat ali's Amils (governors) who ill-treated some people under him. They complained to Hazrat. He immediately warned Ibne-Abbas, "You should not ill-treat your subject. The common people should be given their due respect. You should always treat them with respect. You are representing me and your treatment is considered as that of mine.
4) Hazrat Ali was so down to earth that Hazrat Mohammad (S.A.) called him "Abu Turab.

Dawoodi Bohra Dais, before 51st Dai, as true Shias of Hazrat Ali, lived a very simple life earning their own livelihood without exploiting the common Bohras for money or service to Dai.
For example even 50th Dawoodi Bohra Dai, Syedna Abdullah Badruddin Saheb initiated reforms to improve the functioning of the Dawat and local Jamats. The functioning of Dawat and local administration was corrupted since 47th Dai Syedna Yusuf Najmuddin Saheb's time as he had succeeded on the high office without "Nass-e-Jali" précised pronouncement of Nass by 46th Dai. He further curtailed the powers of Amils who had become arrogant and dominant. He also stopped the liberal distribution of titles of Shaikh and awarded them strictly on the basis of knowledge and learning. He did his best to improve the teaching standard at the Surat Daras. But his term lasted only for seven years.
Earlier Bohra Dais were known as "Mullaji" or "Bade Mullaji" or Sardar. Titles like His Holiness, Bohra Sultan, Naib-Imam, Dai-ul-Mutlaq, Aqa Maula, Dai-ul-Ajal, Maunalul-Mannan etc. were not used. There is no trace in the Bohra history or court records, agreements signed and religious text available, of even Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb using these titles for himself up to 1932. Only when he amassed community's wealth and property these high titles suddenly surfaced.
Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb's father and 49th Dawoodi Bohra Dai's name was Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Saheb. But he was poor and indebted and like all earlier Dais lived in small dilapidated house, therefore he could not claim that he was "Dai of Hazrat Ali (A.S.) or Dai of Imam Husain (A.S.) and that Quranic verses where word "Burhan" has come are in his honour. They were in true sense Ismaili Muslims and Mumluk-e- Aale-Mohammad (Humble servants of progeny of the holy Prophet Mohammad (pbuh).
Now after serious clashes and violent attacks in the Dawoodi Bohra Community present Syedna Saheb added new titles like "Ambassador of Peace".
British government had offered a title of 'Sardar' to 44th Dai Syedna Izzuddin II and then to 45th Dai Syedna Zainuddin Saheb II. Both these Dais refused the honour saying they do not care for worldly honour. But in 1866 when this offer was made to 47th Syedna Najmuddin Saheb IV (grand father of Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb) he accepted it with thanks.
Once, some wealthy Bohra followers came from Ahmedabad to invite 38th Dai Syedna Ismailji Badruddin Saheb for Ziyafat. The Syedna praised them for their love for him but refused their offer. His reason was that "I give religious teaching to students and study and write books on religion. If I go to Ahmedabad my valuable time will be wastage in Ziyafat and more ever the poor Bohras of Ahmedabad will feel that I hobnob only with rich and wealthy.
Contrary to this today even annual examinations at Jamiya Saifia (earlier Surat Daras) named as ""Zikra Mualana Muqqaddas" has become an occasion of revelry and show of strength.
Beside this the Syedna Saheb's birthday, holy months of Moharram and Ramazan, Mass-marriages in the name of "Rasme-Saifee", Wedding ceremonies of Syedna's Royal family members, etc. all have become occasions of the rich and wealthy Dawoodi Bohras' picnic and festivities. Syedna Saheb, his Royal family members and his Amils are rolling in luxury on money extorted from the community and there is no one to care about poor and needy of the community.
Can such a System last for long?

[Bohra spring]

Can such a System last for long?

History has recorded that tyrannies always ends...the issue is when not if ? It is not easy as we leave the tyranny it feels forever.

British empire, ottoman , Burma , etc at its peak became greedy and ruthless and that is when it started the end.

Similarly Bohras currently state we are at the best material time, materialism, corruption, abuse is at its most. We are at the peak or close to reach of the peak. All signs show of an end of dynasty that will follow a peak of material extravagance .

Most western nations know how infamous we have become for hunting, fgm, money laundering....this is the peak ...it is matter of a decade or so , after the reign of SMB has been forgotten and left for history books, when my and your children are in their 20s and thirties and we will see the collapse and final chapter of Dawoodi Bohra as we know and a new community will start the new era with new leadership or some form of extinction...I wish to see the day of real freedom and justice...if Allah allows the beat in my heart.

[exploitedpocket]

1915 is the year of birth of 52nd & 51 got charge on dawat in same year which began the era of commercialisation by whatever means. As a result, today we are noticing 100 glorious years for kothar in terms of money making and thereby wealth generating.

Now, the emotional fact can be unanImously accepted that "wealth lies in feets of 52nd."

In context of long lasting future of current working system, it is hard to believe money will flow so smoothly after rehmat on soul of 52nd.

[Fateh]

It depends upon Allah's will,If he will Muaviays rule last for long then no body break the rule.

[askz]

no my friends
a day will come when their own people in lust of power will bring their debacle. the one who is at peak has to come down someday.its just matter of time maybe we might not see it but our children will. because in delhi a girl was gang raped physically and mentally she lost something but the" abdes to taan,maan ane dhan si roz lutai che".
a joke to make lighter" 1 vohraji was doing business of clothes on foot but was not surviving financially so he consulted his wife. wife told why dont you visit the aamils office. so the abde went to aamil and discussed. aamil said bhai tame ek ghodo(horse) kharidi lo" ane ahna upar besi ane veppar karo, insaallah maula chase to barakat thase. the abde did this and within 2 to 3 months he became quite wealthy. now his wife said visit the aamil and convey your thanks.
the abde went to aamil and conveyed his thanks so the aamil said bhai haave tame sheikh panu lai lo so the abde said i will discuss with my wife. the abde was told by his wife that because of the horse you became wealthy so tell the aamil to give shaikh panu to the horse.
the abde said this to the aamil saheb" mara ghora ne shaikh panu aapido so the aamil said hame sirf ghadherao ne aapiye che"

[Al Zulfiqar]

bhai insaf,

thanks as always for taking the trouble to enlighten the community. you always bring in solid facts with actual statistics, dates and figures.

allah ke ghar mein der hai, andher nahi hai. this cruel, exploitative and materialistic system will of course collapse someday, that is a foregone conclusion. how it will happen and when is in god's hands. but i do firmly believe that god performs his miracles in ways too wondrous to behold.

my personal opinion? this entire evil dynasty will collapse from within. all is not lost, there are a few individuals within this dirty swamp full of crocodiles, who are having some stirrings of conscience. but they are afraid, as ordinary abdes are afraid, eventually a day will come, when the entire pot of sins will boil over.

but as long as we have a community of impotent, cowardly, selfish, inhuman and self-centred abde sheep, then this evil system will continue. in fact, i fervently pray that it continue, so that the sheep suffer even more, until they are completely looted, humiliated, robbed and turned into inhuman objects of abject pity. perhaps, then they will say enough is enough, and rise in revolt.

[Fateh]

bhai insaf,

thanks as always for taking the trouble to enlighten the community. you always bring in solid facts with actual statistics, dates and figures.

allah ke ghar mein der hai, andher nahi hai. this cruel, exploitative and materialistic system will of course collapse someday, that is a foregone conclusion. how it will happen and when is in god's hands. but i do firmly believe that god performs his miracles in ways too wondrous to behold.

my personal opinion? this entire evil dynasty will collapse from within. all is not lost, there are a few individuals within this dirty swamp full of crocodiles, who are having some stirrings of conscience. but they are afraid, as ordinary abdes are afraid, eventually a day will come, when the entire pot of sins will boil over.

but as long as we have a community of impotent, cowardly, selfish, inhuman and self-centred abde sheep, then this evil system will continue. in fact, i fervently pray that it continue, so that the sheep suffer even more, until they are completely looted, humiliated, robbed and turned into inhuman objects of abject pity. perhaps, then they will say enough is enough, and rise in revolt.

Bhai muje to andher hi andher dikh raha hai,kanhi bhi roshani nahi dikh rahi hai.Ab to jaise aisa lag raha hai ki iss evil system khatam hi nahi hogi.ab to yeh kabrastan ki jagah bhi bech rahe hai.na jane kab khuda ka kaher jagega?

[AMAFHH]

i m a frequent reader of this forum and as i can see that there are many Dawoodi bohra's oppressed by kothar' policy S.INSAF has posted a good topic.
i listen frequently to many Ithna asheri majalis to get some knowldege about our deen i.e ISLAM and came across a majalis which i thought to share in this forum ,
http://amzaidi.com/view_video.php?viewk ... c735d8a687

[Adam]

@S. Insaf (The coward you just posts and runs away)
The System you should be referring to is actually the System of unified leadership under one Imam and Dai during Satr.
That system has lasted from the beginning of time and will continue till the end. From Adam AS, Prophets, to kings like Sulaiman Nabi, to Imams of the Fatimid empire to the Du'at.

Can it last for long? Yes, it will last for ever.
Whereas every other system, Proggy or Wahabi will one day perish a natural death. Sorry to burst your bubble old man.

[ghulam muhammed]

@S. Insaf (The coward you just posts and runs away)

@ Adam,
Actually it is YOU who holds the record of running away for long periods and hiding in pardah when faced with uncomfortable questions which can be confirmed by everyone on this forum. Atleast S.Insaf has a reason for it which is old age and falling health but what about you ? You dont seem to have crossed the 100 mark as yet as if at all that would be the case then you would have recieved due publicity of surpassing your master !!!

[S. Insaf]

Daear Brother Adam! Please allow me to repeat once more for you:
I am proud to be a Mumin
I became a pure and simple Muslim about 1430 years back.
I became a Shia Muslim about 1350 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Muslim about 1300 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Muslim about 970 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Muslim about 900 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Bohra Muslim about 490 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Dawoodi, Bohra Muslim about 460 years back
I am now a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin since last 85 years.
I firmly believe that I will remain a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin till the Day of Judgment under the Dai-ship of Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin.
Prophethood ended. Khilafat ended. Imamat ended. but Dawat and that too Dawoodi Bohra Dawat will not end till Roze-Qayamat.
Though Allah has given guarantee for Qur’an and Islam, these will remain till day of judgment.

[Al Zulfiqar]

adam,

i have to agree with bro. gm. you are the biggest coward of this forum. you re-surface only when you think that opposition to your crap has died down and you are safe. i had posted a lengthy rebuttal to your lies on the thread "weeds on this site". you conveniently ignored it and now pop up here like the proverbial weasel.

if you have the guts, then answer me point to point on that thread. your silence can only mean one thing, that the yellow in the seat of your hizaar is spreading!

[Bohra spring]

@S. Insaf (The coward you just posts and runs away)
The System you should be referring to is actually the System of unified leadership under one Imam and Dai during Satr.
That system has lasted from the beginning of time and will continue till the end. From Adam AS, Prophets, to kings like Sulaiman Nabi, to Imams of the Fatimid empire to the Du'at.

Can it last for long? Yes, it will last for ever.
Whereas every other system, Proggy or Wahabi will one day perish a natural death. Sorry to burst your bubble old man.

Unified leadership under which imam and dia...there are plenty of imams claiming they are the true lineage and even if we do settle on an imam there are many diai's who claim they are rightful ?

[Adam]

Daear Brother Adam! Please allow me to repeat once more for you:
I am proud to be a Mumin
I became a pure and simple Muslim about 1430 years back.
I became a Shia Muslim about 1350 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Muslim about 1300 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Muslim about 970 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Muslim about 900 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Bohra Muslim about 490 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Dawoodi, Bohra Muslim about 460 years back
I am now a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin since last 85 years.
I firmly believe that I will remain a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin till the Day of Judgment under the Dai-ship of Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin.
Prophethood ended. Khilafat ended. Imamat ended. but Dawat and that too Dawoodi Bohra Dawat will not end till Roze-Qayamat.
Though Allah has given guarantee for Qur’an and Islam, these will remain till day of judgment.
S. Insaf

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Finally, and answer from S. Insaf.
His words I have made BOLD. "I will remain a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin till the Day of Judgment under the Dai-ship of Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin".
This is the same "DAI" he insults and whose office he mocks.
S. Insaf is one of the OWNERS of this Forum, and supposedly one of the main PROGRESSIVES, and yet they allow insults thrown at Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin TUS on this site. They don't just allow it, they take part in it, and allow other Non Dawoodi Bohras to share in it.

What ridiculous lies S. Insaf. SHAME ON YOU.

[think]

how honest can insaf be. He clearly speaks his mind. He believes in the Dai no doubt but that in no way means that he is going to treat the Dai as God and cannot err like the abdes do.. Even nabi's and Imams have made mistakes and repented to Allah, so what Mr. Insaf is referring to is; that the Dai can also make mistakes. Do not take him at face value. He is liable to make mistakes too and there is no need to flatter him or his zadas, or bend down and kiss his feet. This whole hitler type system of the kothar is because they are afraid the truth would come out soon.

[Adam]

If I may also add.

S. Insaf says he is "under the Dai-ship of Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin."

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin is a Dai, a Ismaili/Fatimid and Shia.

S. Insaf calls 1 2 3 "Hazrat".
And does dua for AISHAH!

Both are against the beliefs of Dawoodi Bohras.

Either you're with hiim or against him.
You have proven time and again you are against him. So stop lying

[Adam]

S. Insaf is undoubtedly one of the owners of this Forum. He is not a Dawoodi Bohra. And through this Forum, he allows "Progressives", Non Dawoodi Bohras (Sunnia & Wahabis) to insult Dawoodi Bohra belief & their leader.

LIAR = Someone who claims to be something, but is in fact the exact opposite.

HIS FALSE CLAIMS:

Daear Brother Adam! Please allow me to repeat once more for you:
I am proud to be a Mumin
I became a pure and simple Muslim about 1430 years back.
I became a Shia Muslim about 1350 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Muslim about 1300 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Muslim about 970 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Muslim about 900 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Bohra Muslim about 490 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Dawoodi, Bohra Muslim about 460 years back
I am now a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin since last 85 years.
I firmly believe that I will remain a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin till the Day of Judgment under the Dai-ship of Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin.
Prophethood ended. Khilafat ended. Imamat ended. but Dawat and that too Dawoodi Bohra Dawat will not end till Roze-Qayamat.
Though Allah has given guarantee for Qur’an and Islam, these will remain till day of judgment.
S. Insaf

Since I am not a regular on this forum, I have just quoted a few of his words simply from the last week. He must have said much more.
Below are his quotes, please google them if you don't trust me:

HIS CLAIM:
To be a Muslim
HIS FALSEHOOD REVEALED:

There is no priesthood in Islam as religious functions can be performed by any ordinary Muslim.

(He denies the concept of Nabi and Imam)

HIS CLAIM:

I became a Shia Muslim about 1350 years back
I became a Shia Ismaili Muslim about 1300 years back

HIS FALSEHOOD REVEALED:

Syedna Burhanuddin cursed Muslim caliphs (R.A.) and Hazrat Aisha Siddiqah (R.A.) openly during Moharram,

(He does Dua for 1 2 3 and Aisha, who were enemies of the Prophet and the Panjatan AS.

HIS CLAIM:

I became a Shia Ismaili Mustaili Tayyebi Dawoodi, Bohra Muslim about 460 years back

HIS FALSEHOOD REVEALED:
He goes on to insult Dawoodi Bohras by posting this article:

Milli Gazette - Delhi in its issue of 1-15 December issue has published my article "Bohras: An Islamic sect reduced to a cult."

HIS BIGGEST CLAIM & LIE:

I firmly believe that I will remain a Dawoodi Bohra Mumin till the Day of Judgment under the Dai-ship of Sayedna Mohammad Burhanuddin.

HIS FALSEHOOD REVEALED:
Yet, he goes on to insult Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin TUS (who he claims to follow) numerous times, example in this following thread.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7924

Concluding:
S. Insaf is not a Muslim, Shia or Dawoodi Bohra. He's two faced lying snake

Proggies like Doctor and BadriJanab would agree with me on the fact that he isn't a Dawoodi Bohra. But, will they have courage to confirm this fact? That is another question.

[Adam]

S. Insaf, I have revealed your lies in the following thread:
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7937

[Bohra spring]

Adam back off !

Respond to the issue and not the person!

You are a guest and contribute as a guest or get lost!

[ghulam muhammed]

Adam and his cohorts have a problem when people like S.Insaf ask legitimate questions to the Dai with regard to the malpractices in his administration, extortion of money in his name, hosting of ziafats at exhorbitant costs although there was no such concept during the era of earlier dais, bestowing religious titles to bohras who have questionable backgrounds, allowing his parasite family to live luxurious life funded by his followers, delivering mohurrum sermons at a hefty price, not giving religious sanctity to masjids unless he doesnt get a hefty cut, refusing burials unless he is not paid thereby acting like "Kafan Chors" etc. etc.

What Adam forgets is that even the Prophet (s.a.w.) and Mola Ali (a.s.) were not averse when questioned, even they didnt impose an autocratic rule over their subjects which is the reason that even after 1400 years they are revered and respected not only amongst Muslims but the world at large.

[ghulam muhammed]

LIAR = Someone who claims to be something, but is in fact the exact opposite.

Who can be a better person then the dai and his zaadas for whom the word LIAR is tailormade, for proof one has to listen to their bayans wherein religious literature and history are distorted, fabricated and manipulated to suit their agenda and heaps of lies are dumped upon his followers in the name of Islam. S.Insaf is nowhere in the race !!!

[ghulam muhammed]

[quote="Adam"]
S. Insaf calls 1 2 3 "Hazrat".
And does dua for AISHAH!

Both are against the beliefs of Dawoodi Bohras.

Either you're with hiim or against him.[/quote]
Respecting Ummul Mumineen and Prophet's close relatives is mandatory for EVERY Muslim.
Hence you are either a Muslim and with Prophet (s.a.w.) or against Him. Dawoodi Saifee Burhani Bohra comes much much later.

[SBM]

@S. Insaf (The coward you just posts and runs away)
The System you should be referring to is actually the System of unified leadership under one Imam and Dai during Satr.
That system has lasted from the beginning of time and will continue till the end. From Adam AS, Prophets, to kings like Sulaiman Nabi, to Imams of the Fatimid empire to the Du'at.

Can it last for long? Yes, it will last for ever.
Whereas every other system, Proggy or Wahabi will one day perish a natural death. Sorry to burst your bubble old man.

With corruption and life style of Yazid and Firoon can the system last even Yazid and Firoon did not last
ONCE AGAIN

by SBM on Thu Dec 13, 2012 9:35 am
Progticide
Once again can you tell us from Moula Ali and Imam Hussain's writings or saying if they support the current life style of Syedna and Kothari Goons
I asked you and your Master Adam about this but you never replied.

WATCH ADAM GOING IN THE PURDAH AGAIN

[think]

and how is calling someone "hazrat" wrong. It is more wrong calling a man of skin and bones to be god. Syedna Tahir saifuddin has openly claimed in court that he is God.

[Adam]

@gulam

Respecting Ummul Mumineen and Prophet's close relatives is mandatory for EVERY Muslim.
Hence you are either a Muslim and with Prophet (s.a.w.) or against Him. Dawoodi Saifee Burhani Bohra comes much much later.

Respecting those close are mandatory, only if they remain Muslims and do not turn against the Prophet and his Wasi. No more respect for them, only La'nat.
This is the Dawoodi Bohra belief, and S.Insaf, by saying this has made it clear that he is not a Dawoodi Bohra.

@think

and how is calling someone "hazrat" wrong.

If you call the Imam "Hazrat", that is appropriate. Not the enemies of Islam.
P.S - Would you call Iblees "Hazrat"?
No.
1 2 3 are no less.

[S. Insaf]

Now I realize that brother Adam has lost his sense of understanding in his fanaticism.
He can not differentiate between sarcastic and normal statements. May Allah show him right path.

[S. Insaf]

Adam was first person who was created from Noor (light) of Allah.
He remained in care of Allah.
He was so great that even angels were asked to bow before him.
But when Allah told him not to touch a particular tree he disobeyed Allah and touched it.
Because then Brother Adam was not there to advise him.

[pheonix]

Now I realize that brother Adam has lost his sense of understanding in his fanaticism.
He can not differentiate between sarcastic and normal statements. May Allah show him right path.

So were you being sarcastic when you said that you considered yourself a Dawoodi Bohar
or when you called 1,2,3 Hazrats?

[SBM]

ADAM
WHY ARE YOU AFRAID TO ANSWER MY QUESTION WOULD MOULA ALI AND IMAM HUSSAIN JUSTIFY THE CURRENT LIFE STYLE OF SYEDNA AND KOTHAR

[humanbeing]

Respecting those close are mandatory, only if they remain Muslims and do not turn against the Prophet and his Wasi. No more respect for them, only La'nat.

Ahha !! Really ? Adam !!

So please advise deeds of Kothari “royals”, are that of Muslemeen ?
Hunting Animals for pleasure ?
Exhorting taxes and laagats even from the dead ?
Lying through the teeth ?
Promoting Human worshipping ?
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Usman was accused of distributing ‘Bait-ul-Maal’ amongst his relatives and friends and gave them high positions in the administration, allowed them to loot and malpractise ! this are dawoodi bohra sayings..

So now tell me, how does deeds of today’s Kothari leaders any different then that of Usman, on whom coward Kothari clergy spews laanats in private.