Kaaba - An Un-Godly Islamic Idol.

[Danish]

Salaams to all,

Let me ask a very simple question: Would you face, bow, prostrate and pray (or perform Salaat) in any direction, by worshipping and idolizing a book called QURAN which is GOD'S OWN WORDS? It gives more of a reason to perform our Salaat to, than Kaaba the "stone house". Wouldn't you think so?

In short, GOD Almighty guides us in mysterious ways and warns of idolworshipping in any form or shape throughtout the Quran, be it a human, be it a book or be it a "stone house". Please read prophet Abraham's story in the Quran from verse 74 of chapter 6 to get an idea.

Also the following might perhaps help for further clarifications:

The medieval Arabic religion is commonly understood to be stone worshipers. Of the many Arabian deities a principal sacred object in Arabian religion was the stone, either a rock outcropping or a large boulder, often a rectangular or irregular black basaltic stone without representative sculptural detail. Such stones were thought to be the residences of a god. The nomadic tribes refer these deities as Hagar or ‘Stone’. There often was a well or cistern with water for ablutions, and a sacred tree on which might be hung offerings of visitors or trophies of war.

The Arabian temples the image of the deity sometimes stood in the open air, or could be sheltered in a qubbah, a vaulted niche. Such a niche might be portable; a portable shelter is represented graphically on a Palmyrene relief. Not to confuse the qubbah to the word ka’aba. The word ka’aba which means the ankles, was warped to become a cube-shaped walled structure. This awkward looking square empty house was constructed possibly after the shape of tents and served as a shelter for the black Arabic sacred stones.

A principal public celebration of the nomadic tribes was an annual pilgrimage, in which tribes who shared a common bond of worship of a deity at a specific sanctuary would reunite there. A pattern of ceremonial procession around the stone idols was common, and this pattern may be seen in the surviving Arab custom of the pilgrimage to Mecca.

Like any other scriptures, the Quran does not give the detail of the personal life of the person who deliver the message because it emphasizes the significance of the message rather than the messenger, but the Arabs exerted the opposite. They do not have a historical or biographical tradition and information about the ancestry and early life of the messenger except they have been put into pieces together by conjectural story tellers and tribal sources. These information were not systemically compiled but were manufactured to insinuate this man as a charlatan and behaved in a weird manner that he inspired his followers a fanaticism and a fierce intolerance way of life towards those who rejected the faith. The wrong information was transmitted orally for more than a century before being committed to writing. Not a single one of the known biographers had any personal acquaintance with the last prophet, and each of them will write a sentence with, "According to so and so, who heard it from so and so...... who is the nephew or uncle of so and so.....who heard a so and so who said that the messenger of Allah said..... such and such and such.......

It is a known fact that whatever the compilers claim to have heard what the prophet have said or did in his personal capacity are all the time received from individuals who themselves claimed to have received it from earlier sources. About two hundred years after the death of the prophet a demented compiler ceaselessly went around from town to town asking the people about the prophet’s personal behavior instead of asking about the message delivered by him.

The dates and details of the prophet’s early youth and personal beliefs remain unknown. At that time he was an unimportant figure, and no one thought it worth while to take notice of what he said or did. Even the date of the first revelation is approximate. All the dates mentioned to mark the chronology are matters of dispute, and they are varied and contradictory of what happened at many important stages in his work including the spreading of the revelation and even the instance of his death. Many of the events found recorded were originated from hearsay and unreliable traditions and they sometimes frankly admitted their doubts. Most of the time the writers will say, "God knows whether this is false or true".

What was finally recorded in writing from the material obtained from oral testimony was a selection made at the four major priests’ discretion who lead the various schools of thought. The relevant parts of their work were in turn accepted or rejected by other schools, as they thought fit. Each priest sought to improve on his forerunners and supersede them as a standard authority.

THE ARAB TALES ABOUT THE PRESENT KA’ABA.
Let us go back to the Arab race. In order to foster their many pagan associations, the Arabs have given the square stone house which they call the ka’aba a history of their own. The Quran did not mention anything about the ka’aba except to say it is about the maturity of the animals’ stride on their legs. (Please read chapter 10).

According to their own traditions the ka’aba was built by Adam, destroyed in the flood of Noah, and rebuilt by Abraham and his son Ishmael. The Arabs claim Abraham’s association with the stone house in Mecca dates from the pre-Quranic period to house the black stone which became the center of worship for the early Arab tribes who brought the images of their tutelary gods and installed them around the temple. It remained a pagan pantheon until Muhammad destroyed all other images except the black stone.

The temple has been subject not only to periodic flooding but, because the use of the lamps in the shrine, to fire as well. In the course of its long history it has been damaged and destroyed by flood and fire more than a score of times, and has often had to be rebuilt from its foundations up. Many alterations in its shape and size were made centuries before and after Muhammad. All these are not mentioned in the Quran.

According to the Quran, Muhammad condemned all form of idolatry, and the adoration of the Black Stone had never became part of Islam propagated by him. The Arabs however accused the last prophet of being a foolish messenger to kiss the black stone. They say caliph Omar talked to the black stone quoting the authority of the messenger, "I know you are nothing but a stone that neither harm nor help..... If I have not seen the messenger of Allah kiss you, I would never kiss you myself", to imply that the last prophet also worshiped the black stone. That is the blasphemy.

Basically, the way of life promoted by Abraham as preached by the last prophet signified the serving of one God, and Muhammad came to change the time-honored elements of native paganism of stone worship and idolatry. He undermined the foundations of the original Arab faith and did not make any concession to compromise.

The life account of the last prophet according to the Quran, shows that the Arabs rejected him outright and they accused him of trying to divert them from their forefather’s religion.
When our revelations were recited to them they say, ‘This is a man who wants to divert you from what was served by our forefathers. They also say, ‘this is fabricated falsehood’. (34:43).

Contrary to the popular belief of the Muslims, who idolize their messenger, the last prophet was not a popular man among the Arabs. They oppressed and banished him from his home and he was forced to take refuge in cave to avoid the Arabs persecution who accused him for trying to divert them from the traditional stone worships. However the Quran says there was only one man who agrees with him.
When you did not support, God supported him when the non-believers banished him. He was one of the two people in the cave when he said to his companion, ‘Do not worry, God is with us’. (9:40).

From the reading it is obvious the Arabs did not lend support to him. Instead during the peaceful period his people became the traitors by pretending to claim obedience but later plotted against him to change what was actually said to them. According to the Quran the Arabs has already outlined a conspiracy while he was still alive in reverting to their forefather’s religion.
They claim obedience. As soon as they leave a group among them secretly narrated contrary to what you told them. God records their conspiracy. Therefore leave them and put your trust in God. God suffices as trustee. (4:81).

Upon demise of the last prophet, the pagan Arabs did not renounce their deities with good grace. Most of them withdrew from the true Islam and reverted back to their ancestral faith. The fundamental principle underlying the Arabic tribal laws was known to the pre-Islamic Arabs as the custom (sunna), a term commonly used by the pre-Islamic Arabs to denote the ancestral usage or model pattern of behavior established by the forefathers of the tribe. They also introduce the consensus (ijma) of the tribal assembly, and thus embodying the beliefs and practices of the whole community. The information incorporating these principles and practices were falsely attributed to the last prophet claiming they were divinely inspired to him and were handed down from generation to generation and called it as the hadith of the prophet. This is also a term of pre-Islamic usage, meaning a ‘story’ or ‘report’, commonly translated as ‘tradition’ encompassing the pagan laws. It covered the observance of ritual prayers, worships, pilgrimages, animal sacrifices, the care of the hair, moustache and beards, cleaning teeth and paring nails, conduct of sickness and death and burials and many more.

The non-Arab Muslims has mistakenly accepted the Arabic religion as the true Islam without questioning. If only they could study the Quranic text critically, they would have discovered the clear essence of the message that:-
Islam is not a religion. According to the Arabs Islam is a Religion. A seemingly minute inconsistency but it makes all the difference.

[Khairan]

Danish:

A reason to venerate the Ka'ba.

3:96 - The first House appointed for men was at Bakka (Mecca), full of blessing and of guidance for all kinds of beings.

5:97 - God made the Ka'ba, the Sacred House, an asylum for men.

Direction of prayer:

2:144 - ...Turn then thy face in the direction of the Sacred Mosque; wherever you are, turn your faces in that direction...

A similar thing is repeated in verses 149 and 150. The passage suggests that facing one direction in prayer is an act of unity for the ummah.

Hujj:

2:196 - And complete the hujj and the umrah in God's service.

Following passages give a few scant details about times and locations for the Hujj, and an earlier verse mentions Safa and Marwa specifically.

In sum, the Qur'an very literally supports the ideas of: the Ka'ba as a holy place; a specific direction to face during prayer - the Haram; Hujj as an obligation on all those who can complete it.

If you are aware of these passages and think that they do not contradict your position, then please do explain.

salaam

[Danish]

Khairan,

You missed out on my very first question. Here's another: How will the blind pray? What about all those in space and in water?

If you are aware of these passages and think that they do not contradict your position, then please do explain.

How many times does one has to explain? All your claims above have been well explained and refuted for the twisted Arabic words, not by the verses itself but by other verses as well as and by historical backgrounds. You either didn't read and understand the entire article well (link given in previous post above), or simply ignored the LOGIC AND FACTS.

According to the Arabs predating:
The FACT is that Kaaba is a STONE HOUSE.
The LOGIC is to WORSHIP IT.
COMMON SENSE says to JUST DO IT.

NO! NO! NO! NO!
COMMON SENSE simply tells me why face, bow, prostrate, pray and run around a STONE HOUSE, period??? It is silly to face in one direction to believe that that is where GOD is or HIS House, whereas HIS presense is all over. HE is closest to our jugular veins, not locked up in some STONE HOUSE. It is not what GOD is commanding us to do in the Quran but humans and jinns.

"SATAN'S MOST OUTSTANDING TRICK TO CHALLENGE GOD ALMIGHTY TO DUPE MILLIONS." HOW SUCCESSFUL IS HE?

Doesn't GOD say only a FEW will truely believe in me? The "Muslims" are certainly not FEW.

GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE is ALONE, has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.

[Muslim First]

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FAQ ON QIBLA DIRECTION

http://www.moonsighting.com/faq_qd.html#12

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[Muslim First]

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How will blind pray?

Believing Blind person has no problem in praying Salat.

Anyway answer is;

In Mosque he prays with other people so he knows the direction.

At home even if he is alone, he has orientation from familiarity. Believe me blind people are pretty resourceful. They do not go around in circles.

If he is alone in a strange place then he prays in any direction and he will be rewarded by Allah SWT.

in water?

On ship you start prayer in direction of Qiibla and during prayer if ship turns then it does not matter.

On Plane?

You can postpone formal Salat, or you can pray in any direction and Allah will reward you. Saudi Airline has a direction projected on screen all the time.

If there is a will then there is a way.

Wasalaam

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[Khairan]

Danish,

your questions:

> Would you face, bow, prostrate and pray (or perform Salaat) in any direction, by worshipping and idolizing a book called QURAN...?

Clearly the answer is no. Just as clearly, I likewise do not idolize or worship the Ka'aba. As noted before, shirk is in the niyyat.
> How will the blind pray?
Muslim First has addressed this more than adequately.

>What about all those in space and in water?
Again, water has been addressed. Space - that's an interesting one. The Qur'an says only that we should face the Haram. Perhaps then, we can extrapolate from our behaviour on this planet (in the Ka'aba, face Hajr e Aswad, in the Haram, face the Ka'aba, in Mecca, face the Haram, anywhere else face Mecca) that in space we face our planet. (Yes, it is possible, in the same way that one can "face" the sun.) Just a thought, which is neither here nor there, really.
From your questions, it would appear that you think of Islam (as it is understood by "muslims") to be a beaureaucratic and inflexible religion. Remember - when any requirement upon a Muslim becomes impossible, he is freed from obligation to perform that requirment.

"And Allah is forgiving, most merciful."

I still don't feel that you've addressed the verses that I've mentioned and if or how they affect your argument. Please oblige.

salaam

[Muslim First]

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Question: How a person would find Qibla direction from another planet or from space?

http://www.moonsighting.com/faq_qd.html#12

Br. Khairan

Danish is an intelligent person. Give him factual answers and ignore rhetoric.

Wasalaam
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[Muslim First]

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Qibla is not in the direction of stone house in SA but we pray in the direction of a line that connects Ka'bah to Bait-ul-Ma'moor in the heavens.

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[brother]

Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Qibla is not in the direction of stone house in SA but we pray in the direction of a line that connects Ka'bah to Bait-ul-Ma'moor in the heavens.

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Sure! hehehehe !
Factual answers - he says.
..connects kaba to the 7th heaven where His IDOLSHIP (allah) measuring 60 cubit or 90 feet sits on a throne.

Originally posted by Khairan:
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Remember - when any requirement upon a Muslim becomes impossible, he is freed from obligation to perform that requirment.

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And - this is only during JIHAD where loot & plunder and TAKING SLAVES replace the other obligations.

Yes - man, stick to facts and not rhetoric.

If the above was true:
MANKIND would be freed from radical Sunni Islam- the only kind!