Bhoras faiz in Amman (Mutah) set on fire

[shapur]

First Karachi and now Amman. The Dawat must take immediate step to make sure that this sort of thing does not happen again.

How ? Perhaps they could import a 100-odd gurkhas and post 2/3 at each center .

The Govts of whole nations are at a loss to counter and prevent these acts of the grand nefarious conspiracy, so perhaps the dawat could be given a chance to try. "Mola ni dua si" we will succeed .

We must realise that the Muslim world is undergoing the most turbulent of times where its life, property and honour is being openly challenged. It is up against an entente of the most wily minds led by the zionists who have brought it comprehensively under their surveillance and execution network so much so that they can tell the color of their leaders' underwear, and can surreptitiously strike and decimate a target at will within their territory through paid indigenous agencies. Every act is then given a wahabi, salafi, or al-qaeda color (to potentiate self-destruction) and the gullible gulp it down unwittingly.

Every attack on a muslim by a muslim, either a sunni attacking a shia or vice versa should not be taken at face value because no muslim worth his salt would ever do that. Only a muslim who has given up his religion for an incentive would do that- which by itself lends great credence to the conspiracy theory. Each such act is a small part of the grand larger design and its not a happy picture at all. And the solution is not as easy as bro. humsafar hopes it to be.

[Humsafar]

Shapur,
Are you suggesting there is some kind of Zionist conspiracy behind this incident? If so, then why not an Isamili centre?

I understand that much that goes around is orchestrated but let's also at the same time try to take responsibility for what happens. Not every Muslim against Muslim violence is a conspiracy. Whabbisation of the world - aided and abetted by the CIA-Saudi-Qatar nexus is a fact, and well-meaning, sincere Muslims are falling into their trap. The rule of Taliban and their primitive practices is a wahabi conspiracy; harsh treatment of women in conservative Muslim societies is a wahabi conspiracy; the implementation of draconian sharia laws in Gulf countries is a wahabi conspiracy; intolerance of other religions in Muslim lands is a Muslim conspiracy; the killing of Bohras in Karachi was a wahabi conspiracy; the attacks on Sunni mosques is a shia conspiracy. Yes all these are conspiracies but not all of them can be laid at the door of international geo-politics and zionism. We Muslims have a curious habit of blaming others when Muslims do bad things.

Agreed Dawat can do little to stem the tide of violence against Muslims, but it can a) at least try to acknowledge and condemn such acts, and b) advise Bohras to keep a low profile and make themselves and their activities less conspicuous. Much of what Bohras do is rightly seen as un-Islamic. The least the Dawat can do it is curb such activities. It cannot just turn a blind eye and behave as if nothing is happening.

[ghulam muhammed]

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[shapur]

Brother,
Like I said every small act is sparked off by a mind-set which has been willy-nilly created by seeing the colors which the conspirators paint us with. They make us see the colors they want us to see.
After seeing the strong conviction with which you believe its wahabi conspiracy everywhere I realise how well they have succeeded in painting their latest color" wahabi" and pitting one against the other to trigger the ultimate self-destruction.
They have exhausted their earlier colors" al-qaeda" and "muslim terrorists" which were'nt very effective as they could'nt do a damn to the taliban and half the world saw through their other game.

So the best thing, they felt, is to make them fight each other as they know that Muslims are more passionate about their sects rather than their religion . Sow the seeds of hatred and create the utmost confusion. Use the money power to buy bombers, make fake outfits, even create fake "cults", use the media for deceptive propaganda by crying hoarse on "women's abuse","medieval laws""religious intolerance","dictatorship","subjucation', bla, bla- all to create the required negative image globally. And the gullible gulp it unwittingly. So, brother, lets learn to see beyond the visible otherwise "HUM sab will SAFAR".
I however agree with your suggestions for the dawat:
a) at least try to acknowledge and condemn such acts, and b) advise Bohras to keep a low profile and make themselves and their activities less conspicuous. Much of what Bohras do is rightly seen as un-Islamic. The least the Dawat can do it is curb such activities. It cannot just turn a blind eye and behave as if nothing is happening.

[MunkirNakir]

That galla collector coming down the ladder lived in the building. His share, plus the daily take is down the drain. The plans for hotels (musafirkhanas) all over are possibly put on hold. Mola ni dowa che.

just look how mota taza he looks....

[zinger]

I have not talk about hell or heaven,

I believe human deeds gives them hell and heaven in this world itself and after death it depends on ALLAH SUBHANU...

I have found my heaven in this world by following Al QURAAN and not bowing down to unjustice...

you have found ur hell by following tyrants and supporting them even when u know they are doing wrong....

this is the difference between you and me : )[/quote]


@ MukinNakir - Riiiiiiighhhtt.... so... rejoicing at a building being burnt down and innocent people almost being killed AND wishing that this should happen in other places too is what you learnt in the Quraan? That is what Allah teaches you? if so, then i'd much rather die a kaafir.

[wise_guy]

That said, it is the obligation of Dawat to officially condemn such acts of violence. First Karachi and now Amman. The Dawat must take immediate step to make sure that this sort of thing does not happen again. It has the duty and obligation to protect Bohra lives and properties.

The Dawat (read Kothar) acts... only when people closely associated to them are hurt or affected... For eg.. recently.. few months ago.. a khidmatguzar of badri or saifee mahal was hurt in a two wheeler accident in Mumbai... then Kothar's media personnel were in action and messages were sent out advising people to follow traffic rules, wear helmet etc.. There was also a message asking mumineen to sell their two wheelers for good.. which I think was just too over the hill... so until a person from Kothar or associated people are hurt or sacrificed in such incidents.. there will be no action...

[محمد]

they must have gave them warnings to stop un-islamic practices before finally burning it down....

Wallaho Alam

[JC]

51st and 52nd have put the whole Fatemi Dawat in fire ............. they have simply burned it to ashes... they have turned it into Fatemi Daulat and they are self-appointed heirs to this wealth and power ......... they have killed thousands 'mentally' ............ and still killing daily we know where .............

We are NOT for killing people for their religious beliefs ........ but a doctor should not justify him practicing Law!! Someone has to intervene if common people are being looted and befooled ......... LAW has to step in to stop this.

Muslims co-exist with people of other religions, we can co-exit, what we are trying to highlight is the loot by Kotharis ........... their greed has no boundaries like cruel dictators and before a dictator goes down he sacrifices thousands .......... and that is exactly what Kathar is currently doing ..........

[Humsafar]

JC,
Please do not over-extend yourself. I know and understand all that you are saying, but this is no justification to incite and/or celebrate violence.

[Humsafar]

Shapur,
Don't put all your eggs in conspiracy basket. Before accusing others of being gullible who is to say that you've not swallowed down the counter-conspiracy conspiracy of the Wahabis. Once you set out on the path of conspiracy it soon turns slippery and you end up in a bog of escapism. Arguably everything can be blamed on conspiracy - and that was the point of my previous post - but in the end we have to use our head and be rational. It is a good thing to be sceptical and try to see beyond the obvious. By the same token we have be sceptical of all those shout "conspiracy" at the drop of a hat, literally. It is disingenuous to be rational for one thing and not for the other.
We could go on and on about this, but this is not the time or place for it. Peace.

[Bohra spring]

Really enligtening to see the self proclaimed enligntened progressives rejoicing on the burning of the faiz.
Really shows their gutter mentality and absolute hatred for the DAI and Dawat.

....not all reformist are rejoicing..read carefully ...we are sad and supporting the victims. Do not try to use this event to throw stones at each other or score points. We disagree and yes if we have to take legal action against each other if need be , but , violence and threatening lives is crossing the line of unacceptable rules of engagement.

I would hope as an abde you would not wish the hate at such intense level for for reformists ?

[shapur]

Shapur,
Don't put all your eggs in conspiracy basket. Before accusing others of being gullible who is to say that you've not swallowed down the counter-conspiracy conspiracy of the Wahabis. Once you set out on the path of conspiracy it soon turns slippery and you end up in a bog of escapism. Arguably everything can be blamed on conspiracy - and that was the point of my previous post - but in the end we have to use our head and be rational. It is a good thing to be sceptical and try to see beyond the obvious. By the same token we have be sceptical of all those shout "conspiracy" at the drop of a hat, literally. It is disingenuous to be rational for one thing and not for the other.
We could go on and on about this, but this is not the time or place for it. Peace.

Brother, sure peace it is and will always be. After all, we are all humsafars in this. I was at peace with you even you had told me " music is a path to the divine" and when you had called me a wahabi. Pssstt... why this special, exclusive "hard corner" for the wahabis, by the way? But before I quit just a couple of concluding thoughts, please :-

1) I firmly believe that no Muslim, i repeat "Muslim", who has read, understood and believes in the Quran , is obedient to and has fear of Allah will EVER, EVER go against the Quran and kill another Muslim trangressing the parameters specified and above all - destroy a place of worship of Muslims whichever sect it may belong to.
If he does that, he is sure to have given up his religion either through diabolical indoctrination or lure of incentives-
which gives rise to the conspiracy theory.

2) The creation and labelling of so-called Muslim "terror" oufits the world over by the world media which is actually run by the vested axis gives rise to besmirch theory which is the first step of their "BOIL" agenda- Besmirch, Ostracise, Intimidate and Liquidate. Between you and me, I have my own doubts whether an oufit called "Al-qaeda" ever exists at all. A lie hammered a thousand times over becomes a truth and a handy tool- to do acts in its name : kill them and blame them for it.

Even in India, any new act of terror is quickly blamed on the lastest creation and label by the media : Indian Mujahideen. Who ever creates a formation to do crime and gives it a name ?? Is'nt it ridiculous? If I have to start burglary imagine me calling it "Shapur Robbers and Burglars " !! The list could go on... " Narendra Modi Atrocities Ltd.", " VHP rioters and rapists Incorporated "," Maoist Killings Establishment" and our very own "SKTPL - Syedul Khair Tortures Pvt.Ltd", etc.
All I say to the bros. on this forum is when Br. Humsafar blames it all on the wahabis, just SCVC - Stop, Check, Validate and then Conclude. Peace.

[zinger]

JC,
Please do not over-extend yourself. I know and understand all that you are saying, but this is no justification to incite and/or celebrate violence.

thank you!

[wise_guy]

51st and 52nd have put the whole Fatemi Dawat in fire ............. they have simply burned it to ashes... they have turned it into Fatemi Daulat and they are self-appointed heirs to this wealth and power ......... they have killed thousands 'mentally' ............ and still killing daily we know where .............

We are NOT for killing people for their religious beliefs ........ but a doctor should not justify him practicing Law!! Someone has to intervene if common people are being looted and befooled ......... LAW has to step in to stop this.

Muslims co-exist with people of other religions, we can co-exit, what we are trying to highlight is the loot by Kotharis ........... their greed has no boundaries like cruel dictators and before a dictator goes down he sacrifices thousands .......... and that is exactly what Kathar is currently doing ..........

I don't known why Syedna Taher Saifuddin (RA) is blamed for the money game... He presided over the office of Dai from 1915 to the time he passed away in 1965, a time when majority of bohras were poor and there was hardly any money game at play.... This money game has been started in the past 20-25 years by the so called Shahzadas of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (TUS)... Do not blame the Dai for this...

[JC]

Wise_Guy,

Then WHO should be blamed?? The Sh**zadas are there because of Dai ......... No Dai, no Zaadas ....... The Leader will always be blamed; its a leaders job to 'manage' and 'control' ........... if he cannot he should be and will be removed (and yes you can see SBM being totally removed) ......... DAI = the whole Kothari Administration.

And Dai has Ilm-ul-Ghaib and has farishtas working for him, why dont he his Ilm and farishtas to control these zaadas ............?????????

[seeker110]

It is easier to control/teach one or two children at home in a family. When the 51st make 27 plus kids, he would have no relationship of any kind with his children. They just grow like weeds in a garden. Beside only a fool who has no learning would take on a job this big. Add to it another fool who did not have half the brain of the 51st goes on and makes a few dozen of his own. Add to it, wealth gained without effort, and it would create a big mess for the society to deal with.

Brother Humsafar thinks of reform as if we need few minor corrections. Whereas I personally feel we need a revolution. This Un Islamic and inhuman group needs to be taken out completely.

If I had so many children I would not be able to remember their names. Even if the names were as easy like TOm, Dick and Harry. Have you seen the two lines worth of names for one of these Zadas.

[think]

wise guy . check out the balance sheet of the 51st. I was there and I know the pomp and glory and the high handedness with which he ruled the lives of bohri's.

[humanbeing]

Kothar is shrewd, they would not want to waste their influence over petty bohra issues or put their hands into dangerous cases that fingers other muslim communities ( shias or sunnis). Too much meddling or challenging the bigger muslim world outside will upset their plans of looting bohras internally. Because too much limelight and media exposure would lead to internal scrutiny of bohra (kothar) doctrines by outsiders which will eventually open their “Pol-Patti”

Moreover with information technology there is no control over information reaching masses. As far as technology works in the Kothari favour they are happy. But equally alert and worried about problems it can cause. Information Technology is actually a double edged knife for the guilt-ridden kothar.

Kothar is perfect example of wolves in dog’s clothing watching over sheeps who thinks they are safe with the community.

[seeker110]

The amount of stupidity shown by the educated people with all the modern day Info. Tech. to still follow this cult. I understand that religion is a form of slavery, But to give full reigns to idiots for here and hereafter is mind numbing.