Modi a Lier

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tahir
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by tahir » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:54 am

Originally posted by Gursevak:
we have token president who is more hindu than advani
I agree with you. We have president Pratibha Patil who is a maharashtrian (with a rajput husband-sisodia). Both are core hindus. Advani on the other hand is a Sindhi - on the periphery of hinduism . So the president is 'more' hindu than Advani.

But I guess you meant the previous president Abul Kalam.

Gursevak
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by Gursevak » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:04 pm

I meant we have from time to time a token president- before abdul kalam we have had other muslim presidents and we used to have the token singh as well but that has changed now. all the muslim presidents we have had have been more indian i.e. hindu thah muslim

Gursevak
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by Gursevak » Thu Dec 20, 2007 12:41 pm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 035_2.html
Late last year, conservative Muslim men in the village of Gingee in Tamil Nadu stormed the gates of a vocational school for Muslim girls not far from the construction site of the women's mosque. Saeed Amanullah, a native son of Chennai, had built the school after retiring from his 25-year career as a structural engineer for Los Angeles County. "The Muslim problem stands in the way of India being the power that people think it can be," said Amanullah's Hollywood-born son, Shahed, who was in India during the controversy. "These unresolved socioeconomic issues are going to be like chains on the country's legs. We won't be able to move forward."
u see for india's sake we need to find powerful role models for the muslims. there is the syedna but he only has hold over a small and already prosperous community. there are 1 or 2 good local imams but the majority seem to be following soembody else's agenda. politicians everywhere are making pawns of the people and they have people like 1 or 2 on this forum who cause division and keep the base weak. brothers help your co religionists for both their sakes as well as for their country's. i know educated people from usa nad england have gone to pakistan to help the poor there why cant u who have indian origin come and help in india

tahir
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by tahir » Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:53 pm

Originally posted by Gursevak:
have been more indian i.e. hindu thah muslim
Indian = Hindu ??
I don't think India wants to become a clone of Pakistan.

Btw, what is your idea of Indianism? Sloganism?

Gursevak
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by Gursevak » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:02 pm

indianism is ekyavaat - more symbolism if you want but unforunately this will remain a dream as too many camps have too many interests to pamper to.

as a muslim aren't you insulting pakistan you are equating pakistan to muslim whereas pakistan claims to be for freedom of worship.

tahir
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by tahir » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:12 pm

Originally posted by Gursevak:
u see for india's sake we need to find powerful role models for the muslims. there is the syedna but he only has hold over a small and already prosperous community.
A warped view indeed. Mullahs and Imams should be the last people to be role models. I guess film stars like Shahrukh Khan and cricketrs like Irfan Pathan, Zahir Khan etc are good role models for Indian muslims.

And God save the people whose role model is syedna :D India doesn't want to have more pro frogs,pro pigs....maaf karo paaji

tahir
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by tahir » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:19 pm

Originally posted by Gursevak:

as a muslim aren't you insulting pakistan you are equating pakistan to muslim whereas pakistan claims to be for freedom of worship.
So you believe muslims of India should not criticise Pakistan?

See where 'campism' is coming from.....

tahir
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by tahir » Thu Dec 20, 2007 2:26 pm

And btw what about Sikhs. Do you folks still want a separate khalistan or are prepared to live with the rest of us? I heard it is still cooking secretly.

Arif
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by Arif » Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:20 pm

u see for india's sake we need to find powerful role models for the muslims.
Brother Gursevak,

I am sorry to say but I do not agree with you. India is at a stage where we need role models for the entire nation. Muslims are just 20% of the Indian population. That's why they are called a minority.
The first step if anybody can take is the common hindu man of India in achieving this. They can do this by stop voting for parties supported by fanatic leaders like Advani, Modi and Bal Thackeray. Modi is nothing without the Hindu votes. Same applies to the later two.

Unfortunately we keep blaming the politicians for everything where as the fact is that we are the ones who elect them.

africawalla
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by africawalla » Tue Dec 25, 2007 9:55 am

Prominent NRI's views on Modi's victory
Another leading NRI entrepreneur,
Sir Gulam Noon, chief of the multi-million pound Indian takeaway Noon Products, said ''Today, people are worried about Vikas (development), commerce and prosperity and Narendra Modi has done well in these and my congratulations to him.''

Sir Noon said, ''roots of democracy and secularism in India are very deep and recent elections have shown that personal attacks on individuals never pay''.

''Modi did a brilliant job in capturing the imagination of the people, focusing on development which the Congress failed to do.''

Sir Noon, an outspoken person, said people should forget the past and look at the future, in an obvious reference to the 2002 post-Godhra riots.

''I tell my fellow Muslims that you have to forgive and forget and look at the future'', Noon said.

''My advise to the Muslim community is please educate your children'', he said.

Thats politics and he is one of top Bohra businessman in UK

tahir
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by tahir » Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:06 am

Originally posted by africawalla:

Thats politics and he is one of top Bohra businessman in UK
Thats what I believe- bohra dawat is a politics, nothing to do with religion. Lets accept it.

Btw, Ghulam Noon is not a practicing bohra...that is why he became one of the top businessman in UK.

africawalla
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by africawalla » Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:02 am

Whenever Syedna is in UK , Gulam Noon comes to visit him, I listened to him once on how he built up his business and he did say it was with Mola ni dua , he is a practicing Bohra but does not have to show

tahir
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by tahir » Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:16 am

Originally posted by africawalla:
he is a practicing Bohra but does not have to show
So you agree that people who doesn't have a beard, do not wear kurta saya, don't pay salaam, sila fitra and hundred other taxes and don't believe that Syedna posseses their soul and approves their visa to heaven are actually practicing bohras without showing it? Welcome to the world of progressives.

Btw even Narendra Modi, as a token, says that his success has blessings of Syedna. I heard even Bal Thakrey saying the same. We all know what that means... ;)

And btw do you believe everything you hear?

tahir
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by tahir » Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:19 am

Engineer and Insaf also address Syedna with a lots of respect but you detest them. Why this double speak?

africawalla
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by africawalla » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:13 pm

Tahir, once again you are making an assumption that I detest Engineer and Insaf, I have never met this guys so why should I detest them , everyone has a right to their own views and beliefs. At least Engineer does not hide like you behind a purdah , he has the balls to make his view public and wants to be counted

Among you he is a real warrior , I don't know much about Insaf therefore cannot comment.

Zulfikar is just a coward who just rants because he was abused when he was young

Muslim First
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:36 pm

''I tell my fellow Muslims that you have to forgive and forget and look at the future'', Noon said.
From my recent visit, Muslims of Gujarat have moved forward for experience of Gujarat. They cannot forgive or forget since other party has not admitted that wrong was done. As far as Godhra train incident is concerned, Government does not have "Balls" to bring investigation to its conclusion. My take is that if "Ganchis" of Godhra were at fault it would have been proven in short time.

Even if the report says what “Laloo report” have already said, Chief “Ghanchi” of Gujarat and his “Praja” will go on as if nothing has happened.

I hope Sir Noon will put his money where his moth is and open some food plant in some Musli Ghetto cropping up all over Gujarat.

Waslaam
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Gursevak
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by Gursevak » Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:55 pm

I hope Sir Noon will put his money where his moth
I hope he has a ready supply of moth balls. i would advise him to put in a bank an islamic bank if he does not want interest.

why r u recommending more ghettos for muslims why can they not integrate

Muslim First
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Dec 26, 2007 1:54 pm

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why r u recommending more ghettos for muslims
I am not recommending Ghettos. It happens on both sides. Safety is in numbers, my dear Einstein!
why can they not integrate
They would love to Integrate. After living in Hindu society for 40 years, my father just sold his Bungalow and bought a Flat in Integrated neighborhood. Reason, Hindus are prevented from working for him and a Muslim will not dare to travel to Hindu localities.
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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:07 pm

Originally posted by africawalla:
Tahir, once again you are making an assumption that I detest Engineer and Insaf, I have never met this guys so why should I detest them , everyone has a right to their own views and beliefs. At least Engineer does not hide like you behind a purdah , he has the balls to make his view public and wants to be counted

Among you he is a real warrior , I don't know much about Insaf therefore cannot comment.

Zulfikar is just a coward who just rants because he was abused when he was young
since u are such a brave hero, why dont u come out in the open too and reveal all about yrself like Asgharali Engineer and S Insaf whom u admire?

or are u afraid it may reveal yr secret hermaphroditism? btw, with yr continous allusions to child abuse, u sure YOU are not a pedophile?

and what is this new strategy of yrs? when asked awkward questions, u take refuge in the line, "i dont know, havent a clue." that will not work african. for an abde-syedna like u, all u have to do is contact yr amil or write an arzi to syedna to get the answers.

or is it the classic ploy..'yeda banke pedha khao'?!

tahir
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by tahir » Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:24 pm

Originally posted by africawalla:

Among "you" he is a real warrior ,
If it was someone else I would have persued a debate but you, my friend, are known for taking abrupt U turns. You will make a contradictory statement in another thread so it is not worthwhile to explain my POV. Think whatever pleases you.

Gursevak
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Re: Modi a Lier

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Unread post by Gursevak » Wed Dec 26, 2007 3:00 pm

After living in Hindu society for 40 years, my father just sold his Bungalow and bought a Flat in Integrated neighborhood. Reason, Hindus are prevented from working for him and a Muslim will not dare to travel to Hindu localities.
rubinstein bhaya how did an integrated neighbourhood come about - bet it was the hindus who initiated it. if hindus have to seek safety in numbers in what is essentially their own country then it does say something about the muslim attitudes does it not frankenstein