Question; Which way do I go?

[Adam]

I address ONLY the followers of Panjatan, Imams, Duats and especially of the 51st & 52nd Dais.

I understand that today's current situation is not easy to fathom. Times like this have always been very difficult in Dawats history. There have been many times from the beginning of Islam where similar situations like this have arisen and faiths have been tested.
This is nothing new.

I am a follower of the 53rd Dai Muthlaq, Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS and his humble servant.

If anyone has any questions, confusions or would like any clarification on the current situation, I am more than willing to help them.
Please PM to avoid any interference from this public chat.

Even if you have chosen to follow the Qutbi side, I am still open to disucss any issues.

Note: I am not an official spokesman, and I will do the best I can.

I will choose to avoid any comments from those who are neither Dawoodi Bohras, or have anything to do with them.

[Bohra spring]

A...comes on the reformist site and misuses the privilege and facility and arrogantly says ....addresses only followers of 51 52, ...Go create your own Saifee Dawat site and propagate your ideology there.

Admin please delete this topic to send him a message

[Smart]

What a pretentious tone this guy takes up? What arrogance! Must be from the mafiosi, to talk down to everybody else. I entirely agree with Bohra Spring. Why doesn't he tell his Neanderthal masters to allow a forum for discussion on any of their abide site? I suppose this has been conveyed time and again, but being a freeloader like his masters comes and uses other's resources and kicks them in the a***. Fie and shame on you.

[Admin]

Adam,
This is a public Forum, and all discussion must be done in open. Sorry, no private messages will be allowed.

[Adam]

A...comes on the reformist site and misuses the privilege and facility and arrogantly says ....addresses only followers of 51 52, ...

This "Reformist Site" actually claims to be following the 51st and 52nd Dai. Just incase you didn't know that, check this link:
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/about_us/our-mission/

We are Ismaili Fatimid Mustalian Tayyebi Dawoodi Bohras, a sect of Shia Islam. We accept the succession of Imams up to Imam Tayyeb and his progeny, and the line of Tayyebi Dais starting from Syedna Zoeb bin Moosa to the current Dai, Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

@ADMIN
You were quick to remove my entire Messages box from my Log in, why is that? I can't send or receive messages anymore.

All you could have said is, you can't send private msgs, and I would have complied.
Being a good sport, I would appreciate if you could give access to the messages once again. Thank you



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[anajmi]

I address ONLY the followers of Panjatan, Imams, Duats and especially of the 51st & 52nd Dais.

Unfortunately for Adam, his Mazun satisfies all of his above criteria. Infact, he is the son of one and the brother of the other. No one can get any closer to these two than him. And yet, he is from 1,2 and 3!!

[white_pigeon]

This "Reformist Site" actually claims to be following the 51st and 52nd Dai. Just incase you didn't know that, check this link:
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/about_us/our-mission/

We are Ismaili Fatimid Mustalian Tayyebi Dawoodi Bohras, a sect of Shia Islam. We accept the succession of Imams up to Imam Tayyeb and his progeny, and the line of Tayyebi Dais starting from Syedna Zoeb bin Moosa to the current Dai, Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

@ADMIN
You were quick to remove my entire Messages box from my Log in, why is that? I can't send or receive messages anymore.

All you could have said is, you can't send private msgs, and I would have complied.
Being a good sport, I would appreciate if you could give access to the messages once again. Thank you



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This is a Virtual "Baraat" from Private messaging here hahaha!!

[Bohra spring]

I think this is a good message to people of SMS camp and others, there are rules and protocol. This is a reformist website. The main purpose is to expose hypocrisy and contradiction , but in a civilised manner. All sides come here voluntarily and we discuss things objectively.

If a camp wants to run a propaganda blog they should request the Admins permission or invest money and time to setup their own site to dictate their private rules.

This site is important as we decide on the future of Dawoodi Bohra.

Thank you Admin for moderating the discussions even though the responses are numerous.

[Smart]

Thank you admin. I appreciate the prompt action. The mafiosi have already appropriated our community and have the temerity to tell us to leave if we don't like what they do. This is the only forum for free and frank discussion. Thank you again from saving it from being usurped and misused by those who have necessitated it.

[think]

here is a question which has always been on my mind. messages have been constantly circling around whatsup about the mojezas of Muffadal bhaisaheb Has any one any idea on the weight of such. One that is circling around Muffaddal bhaisaheb went to visit mumineen in a building somewhere in India and the mumineen did araz that there was shortage of water. so he asked to see the underground tank. then he asked that the lid of the underground tank be opened so he could see the pipe from where water fills the underground tank. then he said a prayer. The next day water gushed out of the pipe and the mumineen are never short of water. Does any one know about such a happening?
any other mojezas are welcome. I really would want to know if such happens. during my life i have not witnessed any such mojezas of the departed or present dai.

[zinger]

Admin, stop behaving like a Kothar representative.

You can delete posts but what gives you the right to delete their personal message inbox?

This is complete invasion of privacy.

please reinstate Adam bhai's inbox

Instead of monitoring the trash here, you trample of his basic rights!!!

If you want to behave in an autocratic manner like this, then maybe you should just decide who can post and do away with this pretense of being an open site and all

You speak of freedom of speech all the time dont you??? What happened now??????

Adam bhai, i am with you in this. This is complete tyranny on the part of admin

[Maqbool]

This is complete invasion of privacy.

Who will decide this!

Adam if you are really interested to give answer please answer followings:
1) How you have decided to believe SMS 53 dia? is it based on the nuss at rozat tahera or you believe Qaedjohar 's statement?
2) Do you believe that two claimant of nuss should come in public face to face and keep their claim on the basis of proof they have?
All members can add here more

[zinger]

Maqbool bhai, if this forum claims to be one that offers freedom of speech to all memebrs, and hence better than the kothar sites, then they need to behave better than kothar sites.

as to who determines whether it is an invasion of privacy or not is us, the members who can decide. the very name "PRIVATE message" says it...Invasion of PRIVACY

Adam bhai has done nothing wrong. he is infact giving many (me included) a chance to voice our queries, directly with one another rather than do it in public and have all and sundry "POLLUTE" the discussion.

[zinger]

Adam,
This is a public Forum, and all discussion must be done in open. Sorry, no private messages will be allowed.

Admin, if private messages are not allowed then why have the PM facility at all?

I suggest you do away with it FOR EVERYONE, STARTING RIGHT NOW and stop being hypocritical about it and banning just one member

[Bohra spring]

Leave the Admin alone. He does a good enough job without influence .

There is no privacy obligation as this is a free website. Try claiming privacy on Facebook if you get my point.

And in any institution system Admin are privileged to access anyone account, modify, delete, lock etc. They are protected by law.

[zinger]

BS bhai, i have all the respect for Admin, doing a thankless job and even then being brickbatted like that.

but i think his blocking Adambhai;s inbox reeks of kothar behaviour and mentality

sorry adam bhai, but its true, the kothar tries to control every aspect of our life, no denying it

[SBM]

Br, Zinger
Why are hell bent on always diverting the topics. In other threads you did the same.

[Adam]

Waiting for Admin put back the messages icon.
Thanks.

[anajmi]

Doesn't malumaat.com or other Kothari websites provide private inboxes? And since Adam is looking only for PMs from the followers of 51 and 52, we can assume that they all have accounts on those web sites. Why do you want to exchange PMs on this website?

[Admin]

Zinger,
Freedom of speech is allowed in an open forum. Private messaging is addition feature we provide. Members can use it for private conversation BUT not for running private campaign and agenda which Adam clearly wants to do. In any case, we've restored PM for him on his express promise that he won't misuse it. We'll keep an eye on him.

[zinger]

Br, Zinger
Why are hell bent on always diverting the topics. In other threads you did the same.

SBM bhai, get lost.

This post is COMPLETELY RELATED TO THE TOPIC AT HAND

The post was started by Adam bhai to answer questions. Just because he mentioned that people can send him PM's, Admin promptly stopped it.

Would you like me to point out how many times people have been asked to take their conversations/fights/debates with each other to PM to spare others?????????????????

Admin removed the messages and he was naturally and understandably upset and i supprort him

So, the topic is STILL ON TRACK

WRT to the other topic, i smelt a rat and i thought it should be drawn to peoples attention. I have apologised for the same and have stepped back into the topic

[zinger]

Zinger,
Freedom of speech is allowed in an open forum. Private messaging is addition feature we provide. Members can use it for private conversation BUT not for running private campaign and agenda which Adam clearly wants to do. In any case, we've restored PM for him on his express promise that he won't misuse it. We'll keep an eye on him.

Admin, i beg to differ.

Adam bhai is not running any private agendas.

If truth be known, i have been debating with him on the issue of succession myself. DEBATING mind you, not getting converted to his agenda!

[Admin]

That debating should be done in open - this is what this forum is for. You cannot use resources of this site and work against what this site stands for. Don't you think there is something wrong with this picture?

[Biradar]

That debating should be done in open - this is what this forum is for. You cannot use resources of this site and work against what this site stands for. Don't you think there is something wrong with this picture?

I agree with the Admin on this. There should not be a back-channel that allows anyone to run a propaganda against the very principles that this forum stands for. If Adam is so concerned about this, he should publish an email address here and those who have questions can write to him on that email. He should not feel entitled to misuse the freedom he has on this board.

One thing I want to warn: Adam is a administration lackey, a person specially trained in its propaganda centers in Surat or Karachi, to justify and defend his Dear Leader. Asking him is like a hen asking the fox on how to improve the security of the hen-coop. He can quote random and arbitrary books, distorting reality, trying to prove his points. We have seen this consistently in the past. He can not be trusted to be an honest evaluator of the situation. He is clearly biased and whatever he says should be treated as propaganda, plain and simple.

[zinger]

That debating should be done in open - this is what this forum is for. You cannot use resources of this site and work against what this site stands for. Don't you think there is something wrong with this picture?

Honestly, no! And ill tell u why. it is not possible to have a conversation on this site without having the usual riff raff butt in with their 2 bit worthless and uncalled for opinions.

That said, exactly what is it that this site works for that adam bhai is working against? This topic is aimed specifically at people who are at a cross road in their life as to which direction to go in. Last I checked, u as the official spokesperson of this site were unable to or unwilling to take a stand.

Had he been working against u in terms of getting people away from the reform movement, then I would have understood although even then, all is fair in love and war and that too on an uneven playing field as this.

Let me put my cards on the table. Currently, adam bhai and I are at 2 ends of the table. We are discussing matters relevant to the situation today. Had we been discussing strategies to derail the reform movement, then it would have been a different scenario would it not !

[Biradar]

Honestly, no! And ill tell u why. it is not possible to have a conversation on this site without having the usual riff raff butt in with their 2 bit worthless and uncalled for opinions.

If you feel that "riff-raff" butt in your precious conversation, pointing out your foolishness, then please go elsewhere, where your delicate debates will not be commented upon. You want to use the resources of an open forum to hold a private conversation. No one is stopping you from private conversation. Please just do it with your own email resources.

Let me put my cards on the table. Currently, adam bhai and I are at 2 ends of the table. We are discussing matters relevant to the situation today. Had we been discussing strategies to derail the reform movement, then it would have been a different scenario would it not !

Please take your private discussion on your own personal email channel. Do not misuse the resources of this forum. Just ask your beloved Adam bhai to give you his email ID and then you can discuss all you wish.

[alam]

ADMIN

I believe there is danger that this site will be manipulated, taken over, hacked by the oppressive power that it defies. I sincerely believe there is a war out there, and anything is game for anyone.

PM exposes people's risk in divulging more about Themsleves and their situations far more than participating on the forum openly.

Warning - the regime is here on this forum casting their net.
THIS is a caution. Just look at what the regime is doing now. Pulling out individuals, forcing them to say laanat, in public, asking them to sign, and if you refuse, they know who to go after. I suggest everyone get themselves a human rights advocate and human rights groups involved.

Please if anyone knows of human rights groups to contact - in Mumbai or anyone else, please post. Maybe this should be on a different thread or Admin put it up on front page of forum or website.

The Nazis are here, next door, or you are sleeping with the enemy.

[godmoney]

True alam

Human right Wud b needed now or else many innocent ppl wud b kill

[seeker110]

When people are not armed they are ripe for slavery. People have to decide how much more of their hard earned money, their khairat and zakat money should go to these parasites. It is good time to read about the life styles of our Nabi and Alehbait. Answers should come easy about the right path to take, we still call on Mushkil Kusha, dont we?

[Adam]

Zinger,
Freedom of speech is allowed in an open forum. Private messaging is addition feature we provide. Members can use it for private conversation BUT not for running private campaign and agenda which Adam clearly wants to do. In any case, we've restored PM for him on his express promise that he won't misuse it. We'll keep an eye on him.

FYI: The PM hasn't been restored yet.