It is truly sad to hear your story, not only is there no support shown by the community leaders, but they are making the situation even worse. It is inhumane. But do not lose hope so quickly brother. SKQ is very different form what you are used to. He has given so much more money to the betterment of people than has been given to him. His sons have established, by Allah's grace, well performing businesses, with the niyyat of doing khidmat of dawat and mumeneen. Give him a chance, you have nothing to lose, but maybe, so much to gain.DB- MUMBAIKAR wrote:I lost my best friend and was in mumbai during this mishap.... its the biggest lie that anybody was paid any compensation... infact I clearly recall that the area Aamil (where my friend and his family lives) was so shameless that he collected extra hakun naffs and also forced the grieving family of my friend to sponsor a niyaz during the ensuing 40 days drama which was very cunningly camouflaged as Khatmul Quran by the Kothar... and all this on the night when my friend was to be buried !!!... His family was already deeply distressed and the aamil was adding salt to the injury.... i was deeply apalled by such attitude of kothar to the common bohras...
Unfortunately most bohras are completely blinded by this fanaticism of revering the "Moula" as some diety (like a hindu worshipping an idol)... until this incident i had respect for the position and rutba of Dai (although i never behaved like the crazy bohris) but after the demise of Syedna Burhanuddin and takeover by his wretched son, I have lost complete faith in our community.... Be it SMS or SKQ, all are here to suck money from the gullible bohras by giving false notion of taking them to jannat in the hereafter...effectively they are no different then your rogue babas like Asaram and such other rascals who are dime a dozen in india..
james is just his master puppet, he doesnt have any thing to win or lose, he is getting paid for his non sense, and he is happy with it.wise_guy wrote:I challenge people like James and his brethren to post even a small piece of nonsense here. I guess, they will not have a single letter of defense on this subject. I think, this is it.. James should wave the white flag of loss and declare his defeat here!
That is if he is even getting paid. For most part I would guess he must be paying to do this. Azeem khidmat nu sharaf only for 53000M Taha wrote:james is just his master puppet, he doesnt have any thing to win or lose, he is getting paid for his non sense, and he is happy with it.wise_guy wrote:I challenge people like James and his brethren to post even a small piece of nonsense here. I guess, they will not have a single letter of defense on this subject. I think, this is it.. James should wave the white flag of loss and declare his defeat here!
to accept defeat one needs courage and james and his alikes lacks it.
I concur with your comments that not a single representative from kothar was present either in Saify Hospital or JJ Hospital... infact they were instructed to stay away because of the media attention that this tragedy had gained....infact the police informed that because of non-availability of the community leaders in hospital, the issue was complicated further and the bodies were required to be moved from private hospital (Saify) to Govt hospital (JJ) to complete government formalities since this was a stampede. The mishap happened at around 1.30 - 2.00 am in early morning on Saturday and the bodies were finally handed over to the relatives at late evening on Satuday almost after 18-20 hours after death without being kept in any preservation.ghulam muhammed wrote:Not only were the victims of the stampede denied any monetary help but on the contrary they were asked to pay the burial charges (Kafan Chors) and there was not a single representative from Kothar to help the victims families in J.J. morgue and ensure that the dead bodies were handed over to them at the earliest. In fact, the families had to wait for hours together to get the dead bodies after completing the cumbersome paperwork.
Quick correction Brother, SMS does not believe in Allah (SWT), they cleverly disguise Allah's name and say "KHUDA" which is a Persian Zoroastrian God. they have tricks and techniques to disguise each and everything of Islam, when times are bad they can easily counterfreit and make it sound like a donkey bark.I concur with your comments that not a single representative from kothar was present either in Saify Hospital or JJ Hospital... infact they were instructed to stay away because of the media attention that this tragedy had gained....infact the police informed that because of non-availability of the community leaders in hospital, the issue was complicated further and the bodies were required to be moved from private hospital (Saify) to Govt hospital (JJ) to complete government formalities since this was a stampede. The mishap happened at around 1.30 - 2.00 am in early morning on Saturday and the bodies were finally handed over to the relatives at late evening on Satuday almost after 18-20 hours after death without being kept in any preservation.
Unfortunately, this issue is already moved to the back burner and today nobody even talks about it. Surely lots of money have exchanged hands between muffy's henchmen and the maharashtra government to forget and erase this manslaughter of innocent people from their memories.
Its is appalling to note that these kothari mafias and more specifically SMS has no regret whatsoever. In the 40 days, not on a single day did they thought of dedicating a khatmul quran to these stampede victims. Forget dedicating khatmul quran, they were not even mentioned in any duas / bayans. It is a shame that the bohras are following such a butcher......May Allah Ta'ala give taufeeq to common bohras to understand the evil designs of these so called rehnuma's who are nothing more than parasites always waiting for an oppurtunity to only suck money from you and will not even care if you are crushed under their feets.
However, one must not forget that Allah Ta'ala is watching and it is foolish on the part of any human being (even if they are some high profile community leaders like SMS) that they will be spared of punishment for their misdeeds because of his lineage or status. Infact Allah's wrath on such people will be harsher...
wise_guy wrote:Just got info from some sources, including burhani guards that the total number of people who died in the Saifee Mahal stampede post the wafat of Syedna Burhanudding (RA) was 58 and not 18 as was reported in the initial and early reports.
In a popular gujarati magazine called Chitralekha, it has been reported in an interview from Shz Idris Bhaisaheb that each victim was paid 2,52,000 rupees as compensation whereas ground reality is that nobody was paid a single penny. Instead, full healthcare payment was collected by the respective hospital (I guess Saifee Hospital) from the families of the victim before their body was disposed to them.
Su niraali shaan che & mumin toh jannat ma vasi raya che
Your obsession with me is unhealthy . Defend what ? That 18 people passed away and not 58 people ? Your sources are pretty thick .wise_guy wrote:I challenge people like James and his brethren to post even a small piece of nonsense here. I guess, they will not have a single letter of defense on this subject. I think, this is it.. James should wave the white flag of loss and declare his defeat here!
Grow a spine , google address , contact Chitralekha on your own . ( Need not be in that order . )Fakhruddinsuratwala wrote:Dear Wise Guy
Please send me the ChitraLekha issue and I will surely take the matter up with the Editor to correct his facts.
If anyone has it please send it accross.
regards.
F Suratwala
wise_guy wrote:Just got info from some sources, including burhani guards that the total number of people who died in the Saifee Mahal stampede post the wafat of Syedna Burhanudding (RA) was 58 and not 18 as was reported in the initial and early reports.
In a popular gujarati magazine called Chitralekha, it has been reported in an interview from Shz Idris Bhaisaheb that each victim was paid 2,52,000 rupees as compensation whereas ground reality is that nobody was paid a single penny. Instead, full healthcare payment was collected by the respective hospital (I guess Saifee Hospital) from the families of the victim before their body was disposed to them.
Su niraali shaan che & mumin toh jannat ma vasi raya che
Stubborn about what ? That 18 people passed away and not 58 ? It doesn't make me heartless to not believe the sources of wise_guy. And let's be clear about one thing . The threadstarter doesn't give one hoot about the agony of family members . This is another bitching thread sugarcoated under the garb of emotional claptrap . If he was sincere , he would have not goaded me and kept this thread for the agony of family members.He was trolling his own thread. How pathetic is that ?Maqbool wrote:James,
Why are you so stubborn. Do you have heart! Please understand the agony of family members who have died on that sad day.
Have you read this article ? Till now we have only the word of wise_guy . The same OP where he says 58 people passed away on the basis of his sources . Will the family members of the 40 people please stand up ?In the article of Chtiralekha Sh. Idrisbhai saheb has said that they have given 2.52 lacks but in reality they have not given a single paisa. One of my distant relative was also killed in this mishap and I know this.
After giving you the benefit of the doubt ( distant relative ) , you come up with this piece of bullshit . On Milad Imam uz Zaman , Aqa Maula TUS mentioned the zikr of poor souls who passed away and he did the zikr again on Milad of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA . Tell me why should anyone believe your story of distant relative when you blatantly lie about this ?MS bs has never spoken about this poor souls in his bayans after this incident.
Again , Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS mentioned the poor souls and said " E logo jannat ma pochi gaya " ( gist ) Please apologize to everyone for lying and rubbing salt in the wounds of the family members of the poor souls .There was Quran khatmi for 40 days for SMB saheb who is the person that he takes every one of us to jannat. His place in jannat is confirmed according to our faith. Does he require any dua from adna gulam? on the other hand the poor soul who gave their lives for their master and their master has abandoned them form the dua which they needed most.
james wrote:Stubborn about what ? That 18 people passed away and not 58 ? It doesn't make me heartless to not believe the sources of wise_guy. And let's be clear about one thing . The threadstarter doesn't give one hoot about the agony of family members . This is another bitching thread sugarcoated under the garb of emotional claptrap . If he was sincere , he would have not goaded me and kept this thread for the agony of family members.He was trolling his own thread. How pathetic is that ?Maqbool wrote:James,
Why are you so stubborn. Do you have heart! Please understand the agony of family members who have died on that sad day.
Have you read this article ? Till now we have only the word of wise_guy . The same OP where he says 58 people passed away on the basis of his sources . Will the family members of the 40 people please stand up ?In the article of Chtiralekha Sh. Idrisbhai saheb has said that they have given 2.52 lacks but in reality they have not given a single paisa. One of my distant relative was also killed in this mishap and I know this.
You may know for sure that there wasn't any inayat from Aqa Maula TUS on the word of your distant relative . Do you know for sure if Chitralekha has quoted Shz Idris BS DM saying 2.52 lacs ?After giving you the benefit of the doubt ( distant relative ) , you come up with this piece of bullshit . On Milad Imam uz Zaman , Aqa Maula TUS mentioned the zikr of poor souls who passed away and he did the zikr again on Milad of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA . Tell me why should anyone believe your story of distant relative when you blatantly lie about this ?MS bs has never spoken about this poor souls in his bayans after this incident.
Again , Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS mentioned the poor souls and said " E logo jannat ma pochi gaya " ( gist ) Please apologize to everyone for lying and rubbing salt in the wounds of the family members of the poor souls .There was Quran khatmi for 40 days for SMB saheb who is the person that he takes every one of us to jannat. His place in jannat is confirmed according to our faith. Does he require any dua from adna gulam? on the other hand the poor soul who gave their lives for their master and their master has abandoned them form the dua which they needed most.
mumbaikar!!! u hit d nail on the head bro.......DB- MUMBAIKAR wrote:I lost my best friend and was in mumbai during this mishap.... its the biggest lie that anybody was paid any compensation... infact I clearly recall that the area Aamil (where my friend and his family lives) was so shameless that he collected extra hakun naffs and also forced the grieving family of my friend to sponsor a niyaz during the ensuing 40 days drama which was very cunningly camouflaged as Khatmul Quran by the Kothar... and all this on the night when my friend was to be buried !!!... His family was already deeply distressed and the aamil was adding salt to the injury.... i was deeply apalled by such attitude of kothar to the common bohras...
Unfortunately most bohras are completely blinded by this fanaticism of revering the "Moula" as some diety (like a hindu worshipping an idol)... until this incident i had respect for the position and rutba of Dai (although i never behaved like the crazy bohris) but after the demise of Syedna Burhanuddin and takeover by his wretched son, I have lost complete faith in our community.... Be it SMS or SKQ, all are here to suck money from the gullible bohras by giving false notion of taking them to jannat in the hereafter...effectively they are no different then your rogue babas like Asaram and such other rascals who are dime a dozen in india..
you may not be kothar sponsor pimp or agent, but unfortunately you do sound like a PIMP.zinger wrote:DBM, i can understand your anger and frustration. but calling me a pimp is not going to get you anywhere.
i have clarified it time and again that i am not a kothari spokesperson, mole, agent, saboteur or anything of that sort. so calling me names is not going to do anything but draw attention to your character with the kind of language you use.
I do not need a character certificate from spinless people like you who has lost the capability to differentiate between right and wrong and only sings paeans in favour of Kothar. Any level headed human being with a normal working brain can understand that something terribly wrong is happening in our wonderful and illustrious community and to point this out is our moral duty...zinger wrote:DBM, i can understand your anger and frustration. but calling me a pimp is not going to get you anywhere.
i have clarified it time and again that i am not a kothari spokesperson, mole, agent, saboteur or anything of that sort. so calling me names is not going to do anything but draw attention to your character with the kind of language you use.
DBM, i completely agree with you that there is some thing going drastically wrong, but abusing me and others is not going to solve it. it is only going to push people away further.DB- MUMBAIKAR wrote:I do not need a character certificate from spinless people like you who has lost the capability to differentiate between right and wrong and only sings paeans in favour of Kothar. Any level headed human being with a normal working brain can understand that something terribly wrong is happening in our wonderful and illustrious community and to point this out is our moral duty...zinger wrote:DBM, i can understand your anger and frustration. but calling me a pimp is not going to get you anywhere.
i have clarified it time and again that i am not a kothari spokesperson, mole, agent, saboteur or anything of that sort. so calling me names is not going to do anything but draw attention to your character with the kind of language you use.
Mr. zinger i do not have anything personal against you but i definately have a serious issue against all those who are try to support or talk in favour of the kothar or any zada's inspite of knowing that each and every act of theirs smells of conspiracy, fraud, incompetence and cheating at each and every stage of our lives right from our birth till our death and even thereafter... Its sad to see all this more so if you are educated and know and understand the world around you...zinger wrote:DBM, i completely agree with you that there is some thing going drastically wrong, but abusing me and others is not going to solve it. it is only going to push people away further.DB- MUMBAIKAR wrote: I do not need a character certificate from spinless people like you who has lost the capability to differentiate between right and wrong and only sings paeans in favour of Kothar. Any level headed human being with a normal working brain can understand that something terribly wrong is happening in our wonderful and illustrious community and to point this out is our moral duty...
believe it or not, we all want the same thing, to bring the glory back, but we can only do it together, not by abusing us and pushing us away...