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I remember the words of Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin Maula BAIRO PHOOL NI MISAL CHE JO YE KUMLAI JASAY TOU EHNI KHUSHBOO THI TAMAYJ MEHROOM THAI JASO i encourage my wife and daughters to enjoy all luxuries that we can afford, ask them to accompany me to whichever country i travel and value their choice and preferences to the best of my resources and in return they always respect my likes and dislikes without any kind of force, i remember one of the saying of Maula Hussain I VALUE (love) THE HOUSE IN WHICH RUBAB AND SAKINA RESIDES therefore it is all about giving dignity and respect to your women floral or non floral rida has nothing to do with it.
Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
http://nationalyemen.com/2014/03/30/boh ... und-yemen/
By Tamjid Alkohali
As a part of their annual religious rituals, the current Sultan Bohra Mufaddal Saifuddin, accompanied by more than a thousand people from the Bohra sect, visited the tomb of Queen Arwa Ahmed Alsoliehi in Jabla village of Ibb governorate. The visit was accompanied by intense security, as well as armored cars and military escorts.
Jabla is considered to be an important place for the Bohra sect, due to the tomb of Hatem al-Hadrat in the Haraz area. Queen Alsoliehi ruled Yemen for many years (1098 to 1138 CE) and made Jabla her capital. She appreciated the Bohra sect deeply, and supported the Fatimid state and Ismaili advocacy.
Sultan Saifuddin also visited Aden, where the Bohra Mosque is in Crater. There was a large ceremony put on by the residents. One citizen in the ceremony was proud to see this event occurring again, after decades of not happening during the period of Southern independence. The event emphasized that Aden is a beacon of religious tolerance, coexistence, and acceptance. It also gave traders hope that they could return to depending on trade and tourism generated by the Bohra
Sultan Saifuddin promised to build a hospital in Aden, and help some patients travel to Mumbai for treatment. After that, he met with President Abd Rabbo Mansour Hadi, in which President Hadi expressed his sadness for the death of the Sultan’s father Mohammed, who died on January 17. The President emphasized the excellent relations between Yemen and the Bohra, and welcomed any investments that they may offer.
The Bohra, or “al-mkarma” as they are called in Yemeni slang, is a peaceful Fatimid sect that does not intervene in political affairs. They are heavily employed in trade, particularly in the Gulf. There are about 1.5 million people in the sect, many of whom are concentrated in Mumbai and Haraz.
On the other hand, Jabla residents have noticed differences in Bohra worshipers over the years. Until recently, Bohra worshippers were coming from Haraz and other areas in Yemen to quietly pray in one of the mosque‘s corners near Queen Arwa’s tomb. They read about her history, kiss her tomb, and put flowers, perfumes and lute at the door of the tomb, then go.
“But, today they do strange things. When they visit the tomb of Queen Arwa, they stay in the mosque alone from the morning to the night without allowing any person who doesn’t belong to the sect to join them. They do strange rituals and kneel in front of the Sultan as if he is God.”
Yemenis are also worried that the Bohra sect will spread and become politicized. Mohammed Qaeed, a community leader in Jabla, says that until now, the Bohra sect hasn’t done anything bad. It is a peaceful and introverted sect. At the same time, they are growing rapidly, and must be careful.
Yemenis still wonder: will the Bohra sect stay peaceful, or will they try to establish and extend a Bohra state in Yemen?
By Tamjid Alkohali
As a part of their annual religious rituals, the current Sultan Bohra Mufaddal Saifuddin, accompanied by more than a thousand people from the Bohra sect, visited the tomb of Queen Arwa Ahmed Alsoliehi in Jabla village of Ibb governorate. The visit was accompanied by intense security, as well as armored cars and military escorts.
Jabla is considered to be an important place for the Bohra sect, due to the tomb of Hatem al-Hadrat in the Haraz area. Queen Alsoliehi ruled Yemen for many years (1098 to 1138 CE) and made Jabla her capital. She appreciated the Bohra sect deeply, and supported the Fatimid state and Ismaili advocacy.
Sultan Saifuddin also visited Aden, where the Bohra Mosque is in Crater. There was a large ceremony put on by the residents. One citizen in the ceremony was proud to see this event occurring again, after decades of not happening during the period of Southern independence. The event emphasized that Aden is a beacon of religious tolerance, coexistence, and acceptance. It also gave traders hope that they could return to depending on trade and tourism generated by the Bohra
Sultan Saifuddin promised to build a hospital in Aden, and help some patients travel to Mumbai for treatment. After that, he met with President Abd Rabbo Mansour Hadi, in which President Hadi expressed his sadness for the death of the Sultan’s father Mohammed, who died on January 17. The President emphasized the excellent relations between Yemen and the Bohra, and welcomed any investments that they may offer.
The Bohra, or “al-mkarma” as they are called in Yemeni slang, is a peaceful Fatimid sect that does not intervene in political affairs. They are heavily employed in trade, particularly in the Gulf. There are about 1.5 million people in the sect, many of whom are concentrated in Mumbai and Haraz.
On the other hand, Jabla residents have noticed differences in Bohra worshipers over the years. Until recently, Bohra worshippers were coming from Haraz and other areas in Yemen to quietly pray in one of the mosque‘s corners near Queen Arwa’s tomb. They read about her history, kiss her tomb, and put flowers, perfumes and lute at the door of the tomb, then go.
“But, today they do strange things. When they visit the tomb of Queen Arwa, they stay in the mosque alone from the morning to the night without allowing any person who doesn’t belong to the sect to join them. They do strange rituals and kneel in front of the Sultan as if he is God.”
Yemenis are also worried that the Bohra sect will spread and become politicized. Mohammed Qaeed, a community leader in Jabla, says that until now, the Bohra sect hasn’t done anything bad. It is a peaceful and introverted sect. At the same time, they are growing rapidly, and must be careful.
Yemenis still wonder: will the Bohra sect stay peaceful, or will they try to establish and extend a Bohra state in Yemen?
Succession Controversy Summarized for the novice
Mufaddal Saifuddin Succession Controversy[1] refers to the ongoing succession crisis in the Dawoodi Bohra community wherein two rival claimants emerged after the death of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin to dispute for the title of 53rd Dai al Mutlaq of Dawoodi Bohra.Before the death of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin it was reported that Mufaddal Saifuddin would be the 53rd Dai but after the death of Burhanuddin this dispute surfaced due to a claim by Khuzaima the mazoon or second in command of Burhanuddin that succession was performed on him 49 years ago in private and that the succession ceremony of Mufaddal was staged using the stroke ridden debilitated body of Burhanuddin.[2] The sons of Khuzaima claim a succession ceremony video was uploaded by them showing that nothing conceivable was uttered in that ceremony to prove that no formal announcement of succession had been made by the late Syedna[3][2]
Contents [hide]
1 Succession controversy
1.1 Forced Allegiance
1.2 Ceremony Video
1.3 Press Conference declares Neutral Stance
1.4 Court Case against Mufaddal Saifuddin
2 References
Succession controversy[edit]
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin suffered a stroke in a London hospital in year 2011, after which Mufaddal Saifuddin was proclaimed by his brothers as the successor in a London Hospital followed by a ceremony in Mumbai, while the Syedna was still in the state of full stroke.[4][5] It was reported that at home the Dawoodi Bohra community were surprised yet welcomed the name of Mufaddal as the proclaimed successor as informed to them.[6] However, Muffadal Saifuddin's succession has not been accepted by Khuzaima Qutbuddin, the second in command to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, who claimed the title of the 53rd Dā'ī l-Muṭlaq of the Dawoodi Bohras.[7] Khuzaima Qutbuddin claims that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin performed nass on him 49 years ago, a ritual during which he appointed him as his successor.[8] He and his sons based on a medical review report claims that the succession was not done in London as Mohammad Burhanuddin suffered from a full stroke at the age of 100 that made it difficult for him to write, speak, or move.[2][1][3] A recent medical review report on succession issue of Mufaddal [2] by Daniel Mankens, chairman of Neurology Beaumont Hospital, Michigan reviews that "It is inconceivable that someone his age and with neurological deficits would have such a profound, yet transient recovery," .Mankens further said that family members usually report even the slightest improvement to medical staff. "It surprises me that such an event would not be documented in the medical record, much less reported to the medical staff," . The former Chief Justice of India , AM Ahmadi, in his personal stand, upheld the validity of Khuzaima Qutbuddin as the rightful successor.[9]
"Syedna Qutbuddin’s family had shared certain historical documents with me, some of which are written in Arabic, in which historical facts about the community and the events since the nass (choosing the successor) conferred by Syedna Burhanuddin on Syedna Qutbuddin in 1965 have been recorded. I examined the documents and believe that Syedna Qutbuddin’s stand of the 53rd Dai is principled,"
—Ahmadi, The former Chief Justice of India
Forced Allegiance[edit]
There are various reports that Mufaddal has taken over the administration using threat and intimidation.[10] Also the Bohras who support Khuzaima are being forced to swear allegiance to Muffadal using social boycott and threats of divorce between married couples[2] :.
Sakina’s husband was okay with her belief in Qutbuddin, but the local jamaat insisted that she leave her marital home. Her in-laws and husband succumbed. The second woman, a professional, had just had her nikaah solemnised; now, her in-laws have told her to choose between her belief and her husband.
—Reported threats of divorce in Punemirror
Ceremony Video[edit]
The video of the alleged succession (nuss) ceremony is available.[11] The original video was uploaded on Youtube[12] but was later removed on accusation of copyright violation by Jameat Saifiya currently under control of Mufaddal. However the video has been available in other places.[13][3] The sons of Khuzaima claim the video was uploaded by them showing that nothing conceivable was uttered in that ceremony to prove that no formal announcement to the effect had been made by the late Syedna[3][2]
Press Conference declares Neutral Stance[edit]
A press conference was organised by Central Board of Dawoodi Bohra Community which is represented by intellectuals in the community recommended taking a neutral stance in wake of the succession controversy, not taking side of any of the claimants.:[14]
"Over the last ten days we have been witness to the ugly dispute over the right successor to the late Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb. This was not unexpected, as the late Syedna Saheb had been unable to clearly nominate his successor for nearly 50 years while he was alive. The claim of both his so-called successors is shrouded in mystery and ambiguity, as there are no reliable and disinterested witnesses to their nomination. The community is therefore both in a dilemma and distress, and is greatly agitated. For nearly 200 years there was no such problem, as the succession was monopolized within one family, with either the brother or the son being nominated by his predecessor. However, now, the stakes are quite high. An unbelievably large amount of wealth has been accumulated over the last hundred years through extortion and exploitation. The dispute is, therefore, not religious as claimed by both the claimants, but for the control of this wealth. Nathwani and Tewatia Commissions in the 1970s and 1990s have fully documented the various modes of this accumulation, and how this wealth is spent on the luxurious lifestyle of one family, and not for the benefit of the community. The Central Board warns both the claimants that if they do not change with the changing times, become liberal, stop malpractices and loosen their control over a docile and peaceful community, they will be consigned to the dustbins of history."
— Official statement of Central Board of Dawoodi Bohra Community
Court Case against Mufaddal Saifuddin[edit]
Late Syedna's half brother Khuzaima moved High Court claiming the position of 53rd dai and to restrict Mufaddal from discharging the duties as the 53rd Dai. The prime contention of the 700-page petition to high court is to have Khuzaima Qutbuddin, the half brother, legally declared as the 53rd Dai-al-Mutlaq of the 12-lakh strong Bohra community, and simultaneously to restrain his nephew, Mufaddal Saifuddin, from acting as the Dai.[3]
References[edit]
^ Jump up to: a b Rizwan Mawani (30 January 2014). "The Intricacies of Succession: Two Claimants Emerge for Dawoodi Bohra Leadership". Huffington Post. Retrieved 11 February 2014.
^ Jump up to: a b c d e "Late Syedna ‘too ill to have spoken coherently’". Mumbai Mirror. 2011-06-01. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
^ Jump up to: a b c d e "Dawoodi Bohra succession battle takes legal turn" (in (Danish)). Mumbai Mirror. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ DNA - Successor to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin named
Jump up ^ "A perilous transition". Mumbai Mirror. 2014-01-24. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ Dawoodi Bohras welcome nomination of successor
Jump up ^ "Dawat-e-Hadiyah Website Administered by the Office of Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, Leader of the Dawoodi Bohra Community". Fatemi Dawat. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ "Who is new Syedna? Trouble brews as half-brother stakes claim". The Indian Express. 6 February 2014. Retrieved 11 February 2014.
Jump up ^ [1],Dawoodi Bohra succession issue: former chief justice pledges allegiance to Syedna’s uncle
Jump up ^ "Bohras who refuse to denounce Qutbuddin face boycott, threats". Mumbai Mirror. 2014-02-19. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ "succession video removed • Dawoodi Bohra Forum". Dawoodi-bohras.com. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ "YouTube". YouTube. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ https://tune.pk/video/1969681/Raudat-Ta ... ajab-1432H][http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=9310
Jump up ^ http://afternoondc.in/city-news/50k-daw ... cle_102015. Retrieved 28 February 2014. Missing or empty |title= (help)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufaddal_ ... ontroversy
Contents [hide]
1 Succession controversy
1.1 Forced Allegiance
1.2 Ceremony Video
1.3 Press Conference declares Neutral Stance
1.4 Court Case against Mufaddal Saifuddin
2 References
Succession controversy[edit]
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin suffered a stroke in a London hospital in year 2011, after which Mufaddal Saifuddin was proclaimed by his brothers as the successor in a London Hospital followed by a ceremony in Mumbai, while the Syedna was still in the state of full stroke.[4][5] It was reported that at home the Dawoodi Bohra community were surprised yet welcomed the name of Mufaddal as the proclaimed successor as informed to them.[6] However, Muffadal Saifuddin's succession has not been accepted by Khuzaima Qutbuddin, the second in command to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, who claimed the title of the 53rd Dā'ī l-Muṭlaq of the Dawoodi Bohras.[7] Khuzaima Qutbuddin claims that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin performed nass on him 49 years ago, a ritual during which he appointed him as his successor.[8] He and his sons based on a medical review report claims that the succession was not done in London as Mohammad Burhanuddin suffered from a full stroke at the age of 100 that made it difficult for him to write, speak, or move.[2][1][3] A recent medical review report on succession issue of Mufaddal [2] by Daniel Mankens, chairman of Neurology Beaumont Hospital, Michigan reviews that "It is inconceivable that someone his age and with neurological deficits would have such a profound, yet transient recovery," .Mankens further said that family members usually report even the slightest improvement to medical staff. "It surprises me that such an event would not be documented in the medical record, much less reported to the medical staff," . The former Chief Justice of India , AM Ahmadi, in his personal stand, upheld the validity of Khuzaima Qutbuddin as the rightful successor.[9]
"Syedna Qutbuddin’s family had shared certain historical documents with me, some of which are written in Arabic, in which historical facts about the community and the events since the nass (choosing the successor) conferred by Syedna Burhanuddin on Syedna Qutbuddin in 1965 have been recorded. I examined the documents and believe that Syedna Qutbuddin’s stand of the 53rd Dai is principled,"
—Ahmadi, The former Chief Justice of India
Forced Allegiance[edit]
There are various reports that Mufaddal has taken over the administration using threat and intimidation.[10] Also the Bohras who support Khuzaima are being forced to swear allegiance to Muffadal using social boycott and threats of divorce between married couples[2] :.
Sakina’s husband was okay with her belief in Qutbuddin, but the local jamaat insisted that she leave her marital home. Her in-laws and husband succumbed. The second woman, a professional, had just had her nikaah solemnised; now, her in-laws have told her to choose between her belief and her husband.
—Reported threats of divorce in Punemirror
Ceremony Video[edit]
The video of the alleged succession (nuss) ceremony is available.[11] The original video was uploaded on Youtube[12] but was later removed on accusation of copyright violation by Jameat Saifiya currently under control of Mufaddal. However the video has been available in other places.[13][3] The sons of Khuzaima claim the video was uploaded by them showing that nothing conceivable was uttered in that ceremony to prove that no formal announcement to the effect had been made by the late Syedna[3][2]
Press Conference declares Neutral Stance[edit]
A press conference was organised by Central Board of Dawoodi Bohra Community which is represented by intellectuals in the community recommended taking a neutral stance in wake of the succession controversy, not taking side of any of the claimants.:[14]
"Over the last ten days we have been witness to the ugly dispute over the right successor to the late Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb. This was not unexpected, as the late Syedna Saheb had been unable to clearly nominate his successor for nearly 50 years while he was alive. The claim of both his so-called successors is shrouded in mystery and ambiguity, as there are no reliable and disinterested witnesses to their nomination. The community is therefore both in a dilemma and distress, and is greatly agitated. For nearly 200 years there was no such problem, as the succession was monopolized within one family, with either the brother or the son being nominated by his predecessor. However, now, the stakes are quite high. An unbelievably large amount of wealth has been accumulated over the last hundred years through extortion and exploitation. The dispute is, therefore, not religious as claimed by both the claimants, but for the control of this wealth. Nathwani and Tewatia Commissions in the 1970s and 1990s have fully documented the various modes of this accumulation, and how this wealth is spent on the luxurious lifestyle of one family, and not for the benefit of the community. The Central Board warns both the claimants that if they do not change with the changing times, become liberal, stop malpractices and loosen their control over a docile and peaceful community, they will be consigned to the dustbins of history."
— Official statement of Central Board of Dawoodi Bohra Community
Court Case against Mufaddal Saifuddin[edit]
Late Syedna's half brother Khuzaima moved High Court claiming the position of 53rd dai and to restrict Mufaddal from discharging the duties as the 53rd Dai. The prime contention of the 700-page petition to high court is to have Khuzaima Qutbuddin, the half brother, legally declared as the 53rd Dai-al-Mutlaq of the 12-lakh strong Bohra community, and simultaneously to restrain his nephew, Mufaddal Saifuddin, from acting as the Dai.[3]
References[edit]
^ Jump up to: a b Rizwan Mawani (30 January 2014). "The Intricacies of Succession: Two Claimants Emerge for Dawoodi Bohra Leadership". Huffington Post. Retrieved 11 February 2014.
^ Jump up to: a b c d e "Late Syedna ‘too ill to have spoken coherently’". Mumbai Mirror. 2011-06-01. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
^ Jump up to: a b c d e "Dawoodi Bohra succession battle takes legal turn" (in (Danish)). Mumbai Mirror. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ DNA - Successor to Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin named
Jump up ^ "A perilous transition". Mumbai Mirror. 2014-01-24. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ Dawoodi Bohras welcome nomination of successor
Jump up ^ "Dawat-e-Hadiyah Website Administered by the Office of Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS, Leader of the Dawoodi Bohra Community". Fatemi Dawat. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ "Who is new Syedna? Trouble brews as half-brother stakes claim". The Indian Express. 6 February 2014. Retrieved 11 February 2014.
Jump up ^ [1],Dawoodi Bohra succession issue: former chief justice pledges allegiance to Syedna’s uncle
Jump up ^ "Bohras who refuse to denounce Qutbuddin face boycott, threats". Mumbai Mirror. 2014-02-19. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ "succession video removed • Dawoodi Bohra Forum". Dawoodi-bohras.com. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ "YouTube". YouTube. Retrieved 2014-04-04.
Jump up ^ https://tune.pk/video/1969681/Raudat-Ta ... ajab-1432H][http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=1&t=9310
Jump up ^ http://afternoondc.in/city-news/50k-daw ... cle_102015. Retrieved 28 February 2014. Missing or empty |title= (help)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufaddal_ ... ontroversy
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THE WORLD IS CHANGING, WILL SMS TAKE HEED ?
Bishops Follow Pope’s Example: Opulence Is Out
The archbishop of Atlanta had a plan to resolve the space crunch at his cathedral: He would move out of his residence so priests could move in, and then he would build himself a new house with donated money and land.
It was not just any house. It was a $2.2 million, 6,000-square-foot mansion, with plenty of room to host and entertain, on land bequeathed by Joseph Mitchell, a wealthy nephew of the author of “Gone With the Wind,” Margaret Mitchell.
But as Pope Francis seeks “a church which is poor and for the poor,” expectations for Catholic leaders are changing rapidly. So on Monday night, Archbishop Wilton D. Gregory apologized, saying that laypeople had told him they were unhappy with his new house, and promising to seek guidance from priests and laypeople and to follow their advice about whether to sell it.
“The example of the Holy Father, and the way people of every sector of our society have responded to his message of gentle joy and compassion without pretense, has set the bar for every Catholic and even for many who don’t share our communion.”
the new pope altered the landscape by choosing to live in a modest Vatican residence rather than the opulent apostolic palace, to travel in a Ford Focus and to denounce overspending by church leaders. “It breaks my heart when I see a priest or a nun with the latest model of car,” he said last summer. “Cars are necessary, but take a more humble one. Think of how many children die of hunger.”
“Francis has very definitely sent out a signal, and the signal is that bishops should live like the people they pastor, and they shouldn’t be in palaces,” A number of American bishops have sent similar signals over the last decade, even before Francis became pope last year.
the arrival of Pope Francis appears to have emboldened lay Catholics to speak up more vociferously when they sense overspending.
“While my advisers and I were able to justify this project fiscally, logistically and practically, I personally failed to project the cost in terms of my own integrity and pastoral credibility with the people of God of north and central Georgia,” he wrote. “I failed to consider the impact on the families throughout the archdiocese who, though struggling to pay their mortgages, utilities, tuition and other bills, faithfully respond year after year to my pleas to assist with funding our ministries and services.”
Read More :
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/us/po ... neral&_r=1
Bishops Follow Pope’s Example: Opulence Is Out
The archbishop of Atlanta had a plan to resolve the space crunch at his cathedral: He would move out of his residence so priests could move in, and then he would build himself a new house with donated money and land.
It was not just any house. It was a $2.2 million, 6,000-square-foot mansion, with plenty of room to host and entertain, on land bequeathed by Joseph Mitchell, a wealthy nephew of the author of “Gone With the Wind,” Margaret Mitchell.
But as Pope Francis seeks “a church which is poor and for the poor,” expectations for Catholic leaders are changing rapidly. So on Monday night, Archbishop Wilton D. Gregory apologized, saying that laypeople had told him they were unhappy with his new house, and promising to seek guidance from priests and laypeople and to follow their advice about whether to sell it.
“The example of the Holy Father, and the way people of every sector of our society have responded to his message of gentle joy and compassion without pretense, has set the bar for every Catholic and even for many who don’t share our communion.”
the new pope altered the landscape by choosing to live in a modest Vatican residence rather than the opulent apostolic palace, to travel in a Ford Focus and to denounce overspending by church leaders. “It breaks my heart when I see a priest or a nun with the latest model of car,” he said last summer. “Cars are necessary, but take a more humble one. Think of how many children die of hunger.”
“Francis has very definitely sent out a signal, and the signal is that bishops should live like the people they pastor, and they shouldn’t be in palaces,” A number of American bishops have sent similar signals over the last decade, even before Francis became pope last year.
the arrival of Pope Francis appears to have emboldened lay Catholics to speak up more vociferously when they sense overspending.
“While my advisers and I were able to justify this project fiscally, logistically and practically, I personally failed to project the cost in terms of my own integrity and pastoral credibility with the people of God of north and central Georgia,” he wrote. “I failed to consider the impact on the families throughout the archdiocese who, though struggling to pay their mortgages, utilities, tuition and other bills, faithfully respond year after year to my pleas to assist with funding our ministries and services.”
Read More :
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/02/us/po ... neral&_r=1
Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
It is not SMS's choice , time and events will impose the change..... times have changed , methods have changedTHE WORLD IS CHANGING, WILL SMS TAKE HEED ?
Choice is ours to remain slaves or choose to be masters of our destiny.
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
Mufaddal bs has come to Thane, as he is under pressure from his coterie to send a message against the Suit filed against him. I wonder whether he will say anything substantial about this matter in the waaz.
Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
SHEHZADA Mufaddal BS has been undergoing intense training and briefings on all his public speeches - aka bayaans/waaz and rehearsals so as to perform a seamless act from now on. His appearances where he will be giving speeches will be rare from now on and will be thoroughly prepared. He is now learning to memorize instead of reading from the script in front of him.
Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
it will be really hard for him to learn new skills at this age ultimately it will lead to more blunders and frustration, specially when he has passed whole his life in wondering and counting stars without doing any thing fruitful in reality.alam wrote:SHEHZADA Mufaddal BS has been undergoing intense training and briefings on all his public speeches - aka bayaans/waaz and rehearsals so as to perform a seamless act from now on. His appearances where he will be giving speeches will be rare from now on and will be thoroughly prepared. He is now learning to memorize instead of reading from the script in front of him.
moreover confidence and ability to speak without paper comes from HEART and true intentions, if intention is not there, he will never gain confidence.
his father SMB was true at his heart (as far as I understand him) and that made him popular amoung people.
Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
MS is a school dropout and has also not passed his arabic exams from Jamea. One of the reasons as I understand was poor memory retention. Would it now be possible to suddenly have great memory retention power....especially when he is 70 years old??? I seriously do wonder and doubt it.alam wrote:SHEHZADA Mufaddal BS has been undergoing intense training and briefings on all his public speeches - aka bayaans/waaz and rehearsals so as to perform a seamless act from now on. His appearances where he will be giving speeches will be rare from now on and will be thoroughly prepared. He is now learning to memorize instead of reading from the script in front of him.
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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj
Salaar Bhai the question here is not about what the man gives a woman. Unless the man is a total douche he would share what he has with his wife and daughter. So it is normal that your wife and daughter accompanied you on your trips....My husband and children accompanied me on my trips around the world. No biggie.
Thè issue here is what will a Bohra man allow a woman to achieve for herself. Under the Mufaddal raj the answer is an abysmal "not much." Women should not have to depend on the success of the men in their lives. If they are capable they should be free to seek success on their own. The freedom a woman is granted, is a measure of the dignity she is awarded. Please do not try to measure it by what material things you provide her.
Thè issue here is what will a Bohra man allow a woman to achieve for herself. Under the Mufaddal raj the answer is an abysmal "not much." Women should not have to depend on the success of the men in their lives. If they are capable they should be free to seek success on their own. The freedom a woman is granted, is a measure of the dignity she is awarded. Please do not try to measure it by what material things you provide her.
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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj
In a man dominated society with our “amazing” bohra leadership, women’s freedom is considered as a privilege rather then as a Right ! SMS opinion of a women is similar to that of a conservative man ( father, husband, brother) who believe women’s real and only place is in the kitchen making “mohabbat-ni-rotiyo” ..think_for_yourself wrote:Thè issue here is what will a Bohra man allow a woman to achieve for herself. Under the Mufaddal raj the answer is an abysmal "not much." Women should not have to depend on the success of the men in their lives. If they are capable they should be free to seek success on their own. The freedom a woman is granted, is a measure of the dignity she is awarded. Please do not try to measure it by what material things you provide her.
I do not denounce housewives / homemakers ! they are an equal professional who runs a household professionally. Man or Woman must have the right to choose their own lifestyle. Niether of the gender shall be doing a favor on another by sharing their income or efforts.
Our lives are so complex, sometime we do not get to exercise the choice, circumstances change in such variety of ways. I have seen amazing example of families where lives & rols of the gender have turned around 360 degrees. Ambitious hardworking men have turned into homemakers and submissive docile women risen to become professionals. Many a times, not as a choice but circumstances.
Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj
Dawoodi bohra Women speak out on female genital mutilation in Australia
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3621229.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2012/s3621229.htm
Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
I will correct you on this.way2go wrote:MS is a school dropout and has also not passed his arabic exams from Jamea. One of the reasons as I understand was poor memory retention. Would it now be possible to suddenly have great memory retention power....especially when he is 70 years old??? I seriously do wonder and doubt it.alam wrote:SHEHZADA Mufaddal BS has been undergoing intense training and briefings on all his public speeches - aka bayaans/waaz and rehearsals so as to perform a seamless act from now on. His appearances where he will be giving speeches will be rare from now on and will be thoroughly prepared. He is now learning to memorize instead of reading from the script in front of him.
He has pretty good memory retention from what I have experienced. I had met him once in the middle east.
After that he recognized me in Columbo Ashara.
After that in Mumbai Ashara saw me with my mother and now recognizes her also and asks her about me whenever she happens to see him.
I do not keep a beard so i might be easy for him to recognize maybe, but nonetheless. Remembering someone a couple years after meeting them just once for like half an hour is not that bad a memory. And I am absolutely a no one for him. It was a chance meeting and no special occasion and circumstance also.
And what i saw from that one meeting was that he is being used as a puppet. People around him tell him or kind of give hints on what to do and he does that. His son, the one who used to stutter, clearly disobeys him and carries on with his whims most of the time.
This is just my personal experience. Others may have differing thoughts on this.
Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj
well think for yourself what iam saying and what you are saying are both correct if a balance is achieved, for me as a law of nature family should be the topmost priority for a woman and not her career however this should not be considered depriving women of their rights, if the husband provides comforts of life to her woman he is not doing a big favor, its his duty as a husband and the wife shouldnt consider it dependency, i know some women in my family in US who are career hunters and feel bad taking anything from their men they have become party animals and their kids are being ignored badly, remember if you mess with nature you would pay its price in some form. its a long unending debate and i would hate if somebody calls me a chauvenistic.... but definitely i will advise my daughter to strive for her career but not at the cost of her family.
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
As it was revealed, that it was medically not possible for Aqa Mola Burhanuddin RA to speak in London when he was hospitalised. Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb's people have removed the London Nass mention from his wikipedia link. Pls look at the two versions of the wikipedia links.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =433193903 --- older one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufaddal_Saifuddin --- newer one
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?tit ... =433193903 --- older one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mufaddal_Saifuddin --- newer one
Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
ROFL
just updated SKQ camp to store these links.
just updated SKQ camp to store these links.
Why Mufaddal Calls himself Mamloook?
I heard Mufaddal calls himself Mamlook in a video , what does it mean?
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Re: Why Mufaddal Calls himself Mamloook?
It means one who is owned...A slave. Mamlook e aale Mohammed means slave of Imam uz zaman.
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Re: Mufaddal Saifuddin (and related topics)
Haha. He does forget things that did not happen though...such as the date on which Burhanuddin Moula did nass on him by showing him the diary of a third person...Perhaps it was four...maybe five years ago.... Yeah really...y-kuc wrote:I will correct you on this.way2go wrote: MS is a school dropout and has also not passed his arabic exams from Jamea. One of the reasons as I understand was poor memory retention. Would it now be possible to suddenly have great memory retention power....especially when he is 70 years old??? I seriously do wonder and doubt it.
He has pretty good memory retention from what I have experienced. I had met him once in the middle east.
After that he recognized me in Columbo Ashara.
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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj
Yes Salaar...That's what we are saying. No one is saying that a woman should feel badly about being supported by her husband. If that's what makes her happy, she has every right to that happiness. However, if a woman's dream is to be on the first "manned" spacecraft to Mars or to lead the world's most innovative corporation, or to win an Olympic Gold medal, she should by all means be supported by her family to do so. It is NOT always the woman who owes her family the luxury to live their dreams. She should be allowed to strive for her own success as well. If that means some sacrifice from her husband or her family, they should be encouraged to do so. Why is it that we never hear these things from the takhat? Imagine the pride a child would feel for his/her mother if she has achieved something remarkable in this world and furthered the progress of humankind. If that means that they have to eat daal roti cooked by hired help and be taught namaaz by abba, nanima or dadaji, so be it. The benefit provided by the experience of the mother to the family would then far outweigh the small inconvenience. Also the children learn a valuable lesson in support and sacrifice.
Howvever if the message from the takhat is that women are meant for the home, they will not even aspire to dream big, never mind about mustering the motivation to fulfill the dream. That it seems is the purpose of Mufaddal Bhaisab's bayan. The next generation of muminat will count fewer professionals and dreamers among them and the one after that even fewer...The clock will be turned back on all the progress made by women in Burhanuddin Aqa's zamaan.
Howvever if the message from the takhat is that women are meant for the home, they will not even aspire to dream big, never mind about mustering the motivation to fulfill the dream. That it seems is the purpose of Mufaddal Bhaisab's bayan. The next generation of muminat will count fewer professionals and dreamers among them and the one after that even fewer...The clock will be turned back on all the progress made by women in Burhanuddin Aqa's zamaan.
Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj
Somewhat off topic, yet its on my mind: bear with the digressions too.
Even on this forum I have obseerved diffferent standards and ways people deal with men/women, or their perception of who is man and woman.
Example :
1. when people use foul language, they automatically assume its a man.
2. or when someone's name suggests they are a woman, and they use foul language, they are slammed with "you don't talk like a woman" e.g toward "Nafisa".
3. But if it's a man, then they say it" goes with the territory of being an anonymous forum and abuse is common.
4. When men are not chauvinistic on this forum, they tend to be overly patronizing toward women. I will Not name who. But that's out in the real world too.
Now,
I would have sworn Salaar was a woman and still think she might be, and think_for_yourself is a man, and sttill think he might be. But that is Based on my set of biases and views of men/women in society at large, in bohra culture, etc., etc. Ultimately, it doesn't matter as long as we stay aware Of our own biases and blinds spots, which we all have. On this forum, sometimes, people end up arguing with each other not so much on the points they make or don't make, but who they perceive others to be (put in a box), and then demonize or idealize them, depending on whether they agree or disagree with their viewpoint.
That said and now back to topic of men vs women and careers: i believe that our sons and daughters must BOTH be taught to strive for their career but never at the cost of family, or never at the cost of compromising their values.
Even on this forum I have obseerved diffferent standards and ways people deal with men/women, or their perception of who is man and woman.
Example :
1. when people use foul language, they automatically assume its a man.
2. or when someone's name suggests they are a woman, and they use foul language, they are slammed with "you don't talk like a woman" e.g toward "Nafisa".
3. But if it's a man, then they say it" goes with the territory of being an anonymous forum and abuse is common.
4. When men are not chauvinistic on this forum, they tend to be overly patronizing toward women. I will Not name who. But that's out in the real world too.
Now,
I would have sworn Salaar was a woman and still think she might be, and think_for_yourself is a man, and sttill think he might be. But that is Based on my set of biases and views of men/women in society at large, in bohra culture, etc., etc. Ultimately, it doesn't matter as long as we stay aware Of our own biases and blinds spots, which we all have. On this forum, sometimes, people end up arguing with each other not so much on the points they make or don't make, but who they perceive others to be (put in a box), and then demonize or idealize them, depending on whether they agree or disagree with their viewpoint.
That said and now back to topic of men vs women and careers: i believe that our sons and daughters must BOTH be taught to strive for their career but never at the cost of family, or never at the cost of compromising their values.
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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj
Well said. Neither the man nor the woman should pursue a career such that it costs the family their happiness.alam wrote:Somewhat off topic, yet its on my mind: bear with the digressions too.
That said and now back to topic of men vs women and careers: i believe that our sons and daughters must BOTH be taught to strive for their career but never at the cost of family, or never at the cost of compromising their values.
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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj
And sorry to disappoint you, I am very much a woman. But you may be right that Salaar is a woman because he lacks a physiological feature, normally referred to as a pair (edited to pass admin scrutiny), that is essential to the male of the human species... 
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Re: Why Mufaddal Calls himself Mamloook?
see who Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb is calling Mamlook. Not Aale Mohammed..
http://youtu.be/WIwntMVLSYk
http://youtu.be/WIwntMVLSYk
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Re: Why Mufaddal Calls himself Mamloook?
Freudian slip indeed 
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Re: Why Mufaddal Calls himself Mamloook?
This man reminds me of George W Bush and Dan Quayle...His mouth is so big because he keeps sticking his foot in it....Truth-Prevails wrote:see who Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb is calling Mamlook. Not Aale Mohammed..
http://youtu.be/WIwntMVLSYk
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Re: Why Mufaddal Calls himself Mamloook?
George Bush might sue you for degrading him.think_for_yourself wrote:This man reminds me of George W Bush and Dan Quayle...His mouth is so big because he keeps sticking his foot in it....Truth-Prevails wrote:see who Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb is calling Mamlook. Not Aale Mohammed..
http://youtu.be/WIwntMVLSYk
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Re: Why Mufaddal Calls himself Mamloook?
Mamlook = Slave Warrior
What does it matter to Kothari royals, if they call themselves abde or mamlook, this are all fancy words to appear humble ! this words are mere lip service, looking at his lifestyle and thought flows, he is far away from being a humble and down-to-earth, leave alone being a slave ! he will faint in 30 minutes of hardlife struggle as a commoner !
What does it matter to Kothari royals, if they call themselves abde or mamlook, this are all fancy words to appear humble ! this words are mere lip service, looking at his lifestyle and thought flows, he is far away from being a humble and down-to-earth, leave alone being a slave ! he will faint in 30 minutes of hardlife struggle as a commoner !
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Re: Women's status in Muffadal Saiffudin raj
Salaar and Think-yourself,; both the point of views are right ! but limited to their perception of gender roles ! I agree more with Think-for-yourself.
Any gender who dreams big to achieve exceptional feat in their life and is talented / capable / worked hard to achieve that dream / ambition must have support from family. I have seen exceptionally hardworking and talented girls given up on their career / dream aspirations due to general perception which is legitimately promoted / stamped by bohra clergy. The sad part is, the girl themselves surrender such ambitions and go with the flow of being a homemaker under the influence (brainwashing) that by giving up such a dream/ambition they win over akheraat (deen) by giving up on duniya and over period of time such justification makes a person complacent.
I have seen fantastic / charming and intelligent personalities turning into Zombie Amtes chanting and falling over each other (uncivilized) in euphoria (human worshipping) of bohra clergy.
Any gender who dreams big to achieve exceptional feat in their life and is talented / capable / worked hard to achieve that dream / ambition must have support from family. I have seen exceptionally hardworking and talented girls given up on their career / dream aspirations due to general perception which is legitimately promoted / stamped by bohra clergy. The sad part is, the girl themselves surrender such ambitions and go with the flow of being a homemaker under the influence (brainwashing) that by giving up such a dream/ambition they win over akheraat (deen) by giving up on duniya and over period of time such justification makes a person complacent.
I have seen fantastic / charming and intelligent personalities turning into Zombie Amtes chanting and falling over each other (uncivilized) in euphoria (human worshipping) of bohra clergy.
Re: Why Mufaddal Calls himself Mamloook?
I am given to understandthat Mamlook means....Slave of the Exalted One. So basically he is saying that he is the Slave of Kakaji saheb.... KQ ( The Exalted one). Truth Prevails!!!