Why do Bohras say that they are not Muslims?

[shehzaada]

'Bohras are not Muslims'
It was reported in the English daily Indian Express and the Hindi daily Pratakal on 4 April 2002 that a group of Dawoodi Bohras in Gujarat claimed that they are "Not Hindus. No. Not Muslims either. They are Dawoodi Bohras caught in the crossfire.

"When the Maulana gives us any direction, we follow. When he asked us to return to business, we had to," said Shabbir Moiz Vohra, who set up shop in Kawant a week ago.

Shabbir suffered losses to the tune of Rs 6 lakh when his three shops were looted and burnt but did not accept any compensation, saying he would "be better off without it."

"We don't fear anything after hearing from the Maulana. We don't want to take revenge because we love peace," said Aliajgar Jainnudin Vohra, who has reopened one of his three damaged shops.

Both of them clarify that they "are not Muslims, but are Dawoodi Bohras." So does Nadir Badruddin Vohra. "We do break bread with them but marriages are taboo. They offer namaz five times a day, we do it only thrice; our mosques are also different," he stressed.

These Bohras claim that "When the Maulana gives us any direction, we follow." It is obvious that whatever they have said regarding their not being Muslims is as per dictates of Sayedna Saheb.

There is no corrective statement issued regarding this claim from Sayedna's side either. So one will take it as official statement of Sayedna that Dawoodi Bohras are not Muslims.

In fact any one who follows the basic principles of Islam and believes in Allah, His book the Qura'n and His Prophet, Mohammed (PBUH) is a Muslim. Dawoodi Bohras are very much believers of these three essentials and are, therefore Muslims. They also believe in Walayat of Hazrat Ali and therefore they are a sub-sect of Shia Muslims. They combine Zohar and Isha prayers and again Asar and Magrib prayers and pray five times prayers in three times. But they do observe all five prayers. Their mosques are known as masjids and not by any other name like temple, church or synagogues. They believe in five pillars of Islam, Wehdat, Salat, Zakat, Haj and Jihad. So it is wrong to say that they are not Muslims.

Being a business community it is true that by and large the Bohra community is a peace-loving community. It is unfortunate that their present religious heads have adopted a life of luxury and in order to amass wealth they have imposed several un-Islamic taxes and practices on the followers. In order that their followers do not mix with other Muslims and know the true Islam they make systematic efforts to assert on the minds of the followers that they are quite different than other Muslims.

But the hypocrisy of their religious leaders becomes evident when they order their followers to close down their bank accounts saying that the interest is prohibited for Muslims. Or when the Bohra religious head take pride in being the Chancellor of Alighar Muslim University. Or his representative being on the Central Haj Committee and Muslim Personal Law Board. They make announcements of their being the real well-wishers of the Muslim world.

But when the time comes for them to be accountable under Islamic law or Muslim Waqf Act, or to save their skin in a situation like in Gujarat now, they feel no shame in claiming that they are not Muslims.

Furthermore, the Dawoodi Bohras statements, presumably under instruction from Sayedna Saheb, that they are peace-loving is most dangerous under the present circumstances. Which directly implies that the other Muslims are not peace loving and they are trouble-makers.

Violent attacks on reformist Bohras time and again by fanatic followers of Sayedna and their proud and arrogant behaviour with other Muslims, cursing the Muslim Khalifas and creating riots, are for any one to judge how peace-loving these followers of Bohra high priest are?

It is the duty of Sayedna to immediately refute the statements made by his followers that they are not Muslims.

We also insist on Muslim organizations like Muslim Personal Law Board, Haj Committee, Aligarh Muslim University etc. to seriously note this contention on behalf of Sayedna Muhammed Burhanuddin.

[salaar]

NO RESPONSE ON SUCH FOOLISH STATEMENTS, ITS NOT BOHRAS BUT YOUR MASTER ZAKIR AND HIS DOGS WHO ARE NON MUSLIMS, NON BELIEVERS OF PANJATAN AND ENEMY OF THE SHIAS OF MAULA ALI.

[badrijanab]

Muslim = one who follows the Islamic rules and regulations. And not the one follow his own whims and fancies to accept and reject any dictum.

Non-Bohras use their own discretion to accept or reject dictums of Islam hence they all are not Muslim. They re elevating themselves to equal level of Prophet s.a.w.w. Thus all branch out sect of Islam (Fatimi Dawat) i.e. those who follow 1/2/3, or those who follow 12 are not even qualify to be termed as Muslims.

[shehzaada]

Mushrikeen !

[Muslim First]

BJ
Muslim = one who follows the Islamic rules and regulations. And not the one follow his own whims and fancies to accept and reject any dictum.

That means Shia are non believer in Islam of Prophet.

[badrijanab]

BJ
Muslim = one who follows the Islamic rules and regulations. And not the one follow his own whims and fancies to accept and reject any dictum.

That means Shia are non believer in Islam of Prophet.

Non-Bohras offers Dharawi namaz, the attack on Prophet sunnat. Everytime you pray Dharawi in Imamat, that everytime u act against Prophet sunnat.

[anajmi]

Non-Muslims follow hidden Imams. This is against the Quran. Was the prophet (saw) hidden? No, Were Ali, Fatima Hassan or Hussain hidden? No?

Those who hide are incapable of leading and hence they are incapable of being Imam. An Imam is a leader. If you are hiding, you cannot lead anyone cause either you are hiding or your followers are blind and cannot see you.

[badrijanab]

Non-Muslims follow hidden Imams. This is against the Quran. Was the prophet (saw) hidden? No, Were Ali, Fatima Hassan or Hussain hidden? No?

Those who hide are incapable of leading and hence they are incapable of being Imam. An Imam is a leader. If you are hiding, you cannot lead anyone cause either you are hiding or your followers are blind and cannot see you.

Angel Gibraeel hidden or commoner can vouch that he come from Allah with message to Prophet s.a.w.w.?

By your idiotic logic Allah should be not hidden and come on earth and lead all human being to worship him.

Moosa a.s. per you was un-Islamic because for forty years he was hiding his true identity and serving to Firaun. Whether hidden or open Moosa was the spritual leader.

Mohammed s.a.w.w. hided his status for majority of his life and when appropriate time came he declared that he is messenger of Almighty Allah.

Hidden or unhidden doesn't effect the authority of spiritual leader.

[anajmi]

Moosa a.s. per you was un-Islamic because for forty years he was hiding his true identity

Moosa wasn't hiding. The firaun knew him and raised him. Your hidden Imam is hiding. He isn't clark kent.

[anajmi]

The difference between Moosa (as) and your hidden Imam is that when Moosa (as) was given his mission, he no longer remained hidden. He was out in the open taking on the might of the firaun. You hiding Imam has known about his mission for centuries and is still hiding. Same is the case with the prophet (saw). Once his mission was revealed to him, he was on top of the mountain declaring his prophethood, whereas your Imam, remains in hiding even after being given his mission.

[badrijanab]

The Fatimi Imam's Abdullah al Mastoor a.s., Ahmed al Mastoor a.s. and Hussain al Mastoor a.s. were totally hidden as the Imam's of present time or like Moosa for beginning 40 years hidden his true identity. And when appropriate time came then Imam Mehdi a.s. the 11th Fatimi Imam did zahoor (came to open) and gave the golden period of Islam. So Prophet and Imams do appear and hide like sun, though in night no one can see them but they are their doing their job. But moorkhanand like you believes that their is no sun at all!

[anajmi]

If they were hidden, then they were not Imams. Imams cannot hide. If they hide they can only lead the blind. When Moosa (as) and the Prophet (saw) hadn't been given their missions, they were not supposed to be leading anyone. They became Imams only after the mission was assigned to them and after that they were out in the open. The hidden Imam is still hiding, and hence he is not Imam. Or only the Imam of the blind. Case closed.

[badrijanab]

If they were hidden, then they were not Imams. Imams cannot hide. If they hide they can only lead the blind. When Moosa (as) and the Prophet (saw) hadn't been given their missions, they were not supposed to be leading anyone. They became Imams only after the mission was assigned to them and after that they were out in the open. The hidden Imam is still hiding, and hence he is not Imam. Or only the Imam of the blind. Case closed.

Why Imams cannot hide per Islam? Why Prophet s.a.w.w. was hiding in the cave, post him being assigned the duty of Prophethood?

[anajmi]

Because hiding is the characteristic of a coward. Hussain (ra) died for the sake of Islam. He did not hide even though he was given the option. These hiding Imams is a recent innovation of deviants. These hiders aren't following the Sunnah of the prophet (saw) but corrupting it. All hiders are non-Islamic.

[badrijanab]

Because hiding is the characteristic of a coward. Hussain (ra) died for the sake of Islam. He did not hide even though he was given the option. These hiding Imams is a recent innovation of deviants. These hiders aren't following the Sunnah of the prophet (saw) but corrupting it. All hiders are non-Islamic.

On the night of Hijrat Prophet Mohammed s.a.w.w. hided in the cave. And along with him your 1st too was hiding and feeling terrified not having faith in Allah. So per your idiotic logic Prophet s.a.w.w. is non-Islamic, mazallah.

[anajmi]

Prophet (saw) was hiding to reach his destination. Your Imam is hiding because he is the hiding Imam. There were people who knew the prophet (saw) and were after him to kill him. No one knows your Imam and he is still hiding. People tried to kill the prophet (saw) just before he started his journey with his greatest companion to Madina. No one has tried to kill your Imam in centuries, well, simply because he has been hiding forever. No one even knows who he is to kill him. Aga Khan has been around for decades and no one has tried to kill him. He is a better Imam than your Imam. Accept it, your hiding Imam is either a coward, or non-existent.

[badrijanab]

Prophet (saw) was hiding to reach his destination.

Prophet s.a.w.w. too was hiding ! Case closed.

[anajmi]

So, it looks like the only thing the Imam learnt from the prophet (saw) was how to hide. And since he has been hiding for centuries, he's become really good at it. He never learned how to fight with the enemy from the prophet (saw). We have no need for such an Imam unless we want to become a community of hiders. Apparently, you are a community of hiders. Case closed.

[JC]

Not only BJ's Imam hiding but following his so-called Imam's footsteps his Dai is also hiding ......

Lesson learnt: HIDE ...!! HIDE .... and RUN..!!

[chocoman]

So, some years back I registered, as 'Bingo' but sadly I was banned for using profanity due to anajmis obtuseness (Admin, I was young and reckless but I'm a better man now). It was a backlash continued on the same context about Aqa Ali(A.S) and Aqa Hussain(IA.S), where anajmi claimed that there was no significance of Aqa Hussain(A.S) death in Islam!!!!!! ( the guy was giving an example of a story about khatte angoors) Now in the above thread he is taking Aqa Hussain (A.S) example to defend his baseless argument.
By Allah!!!!!!! ANAJMI if you dont respect ideology of shia school Its ok but have some fear of Allah!!!! Because hypocrites deserve no place in heaven. AstaghfirAllah!!!!! Look in to the mirror question your existence......... You're full of lies and hypocrisy brother. Due to your foolishness,I will not judge any sunni brother having the same thought as yours.
Now the fool always gives the example of King Abdullah of Jordan, the mans a hashemite, has his roots from Rasul(S.A.W) tribe but no valid information but our Imam has his direct roots from Rasul ( S.A.W) to Aqa Hussain(A.S) and yet these people question his appointment and some of the bakris even abuse him!!!!!! Whatever the reason Is, in the end this an order of Allah and people like you making a judgement without any knowledge just shows you guys are nothing less than khawarij. Didn't BJ mention Imam Mehdi(A.S) is also mentioned in your sunni books? Indeed this is a will of God and yet you bring your IQ, which is even lower than room temperature in this argument.
Yet again just a personal reason to show where you stand,I prefer to believe my and follow my Imams instructions, rather than your ugly predecessors, yes I'm talking about the muftis.brothers you can see the lanaat on their faces itself.

I Dont remember the exact words of Malcolm X but he did mean the he would respect a man even if he's wrong rather than some one who seems to be right but he's nothing more than a devil.

If no one believes me. Admin I plead you to post the link of the thread so that people can see anjmis hypocrisy just like the hypocrisy of...............

[Sufi monk]

Most pathetic thing about this forum is dawoodi bohras are ban repeatedly but rabid dogs like shitzada and Anajmi are left open to bark on shia and attack on ISLAMIC personalities. I fail to understand why Admin is in love with these guy when they have nothing to contribute to bohra or reform movement.

I request all members to report this post to Admin, lets see if this time some action is taken.

[Muslim First]

Br chocoman

While back a prominent brother on this web site sent me this link about Imam Aga khan

He said "Watch the video clip and if you feel like then post it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPGRR7UxLr0

Btw this Kamran Afridi guy has many other video on u tube and Facebook page.
Enjoy it.

[anajmi]

Now in the above thread he is taking Aqa Hussain (A.S) example to defend his baseless argument.

I am simply doing what you people have been trained to do for centuries. You quote Bukhari and Muslim to prove your point to those who follow Bukhari and Muslim. Similarly, I am showing you the example of Hussain, whom you claim to follow.

Now, badrijanab has learnt how to hide from the prophet (saw), and has gone back into hiding like his Imam.

[anajmi]

Here is another kicker in the gut. These people claim that anyone who dies without knowing the Imam of their time dies a jaahil. Now, who is responsible for this jahalat? The Imam has chosen to remain hidden for centuries. Hence he is directly responsible for the many generations of people who have died in jahalat. Then there are his missionaries who choose not to reveal the identity of the Imam. These people are also directly responsible for the widespread jahalat. Then there are people like badrijanab who justify the propagation of this jahalat by quoting out of context examples from the life of the prophet (saw). Shame on these hypocrites for keeping the rest of us in the darkness of jahalat ( ).

[chocoman]

So you still have the audacity to shamelessly come up and reply with all your lies. I certainly don't blame you but your upbringing, your parents, they did decide to produce an embryo but didn't have a concern whether this same guy would grow up to be a human or no.

Now in the above thread he is taking Aqa Hussain (A.S) example to defend his baseless argument.

I am simply doing what you people have been trained to do for centuries. You quote Bukhari and Muslim to prove your point to those who follow Bukhari and Muslim. Similarly, I am showing you the example of Hussain, whom you claim to follow.

So you still acknowledge that Imam Hussain (A.S) gave his life for nothing? lets clarify this for once and for all. yah?

Now don't twist your words you knuckle head. Its not "These people claim" it is your sahih books claim that who ever dies with the hate of the Imam of his/her time dies a kafir.
So, Imam doesn't really mean the appointed bloodline of RasulAllah(S.A.W) but it literally means "A leader". Back in time, your Abu Bakar was the khalifa and also the so called Imam of the muslim world. we all know, Ma Fatima(A.S) passed away bearing hate for Abu Bakars deeds, for his hand in theft of Ma Fatima (A.S) land which was the rightful inheritance from RasulAllah (S.A.W). According to this hadith does that mean she was wrong? Thus, it was ordained that the rightful Imam was Aqa Ali(A.S).
This is when "WE PEOPLE" started saying Ali(A.S) is deen and your khalifas are duniya.

I hope you meet the same fate as your 3 khalifs and muawiya and his progeny. You don't mind if I said this, I'm sure atleast you dont have a problem with this as you do respect these people.

[anajmi]

Hey, don't blame me for kicking you in the gut. Blame my parents. Unfortunately for you, and fortunately for your parents, you being a moron is completely your own fault.

[chocoman]

Bdoah you did kick me in the gut!!! *clap* *clap* *clap*..... I think you're suffering with narcissistic personality disorder, I'm sure you're amongst the people who loves to take selfies and upload them on Facebook, love criticising others, so that you can make yourself feel better because you're full of crap, bragging about yourself when others know you're such an idiot and yes its happening now as it happened 3 years back. Its sad you didn't inculcate any good behavior and have adopted the same low life ways as one can think of especially reading your above comment. I suggest you see a psychiatrist and yes would love to have you clarify the above question asked.

I have no respect for you neither do any of the members in this forum except some of the brainwashed sheep who's incompetency has been witnessed by others. People like you have ruined the name of Islam, first you debate us, then you kill us.

I hope people like you and your brainwashed sheeps meet the same fate as your 3 khalifs and muawiya and his progeny. I'm not saying anything bad am I?

[anajmi]

Since you said earlier that you don't blame me but my parents, I will pass on your message to them.