The Muslim community of Dawoodi Bohras traces its ancestry to early conversions to Ismaili Shiism during the reign of the Fatimid caliph-Imam al-Mustansir (AS) (AH 427-487/1036-1094 AD). When schisms occurred in the Ismaili "daawah" (mission) in the eleventh and twelfth centuries in Egypt, the Ismailis in India followed the Fatimid Tayyibi dawah of Yemen. Subsequently, this community split a number of times to form the Dawoodi Bohras, Sulaymani Bohras, Jafari Bohras, Aliyah Bohras and other lesser known groups.
Dawoodi Bohras use an arabicised form of Gujarati, called "Lisan al-Dawah", which is permeated with Arabic words and written in Arabic script. Another distinctive feature is their use of a Fatimid lunar calendar which fixes the number of days in each month. There is a strong religious learning tradition amongst the Dawoodi Bohras, their dais (leaders) usually being prolific writers and orators. The Dawoodi Bohras number about a million and reside in Pakistan, India, the Middle East, East Africa (since the 18th century) and the West (since the 1950s).
The 52nd Dai, His Holiness, Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, currently heads the Dawoodi Bohra Jamaat (community). His Holiness is an accomplished scholar. He personally supervises the curriculum of the Arabic academy al-Jamiah al-Sayfiyah (which has two branches, one in Karachi, Pakistan, and the other in Surat, India) where his followers can receive advanced religious training. He is the author of several books on Ismaili religious thought and has composed thousands of verses in Arabic on supplication and in praise of the Prophet, Imams and Dais. He has received honorary doctorates from al-Azhar University (1966) and from Aligarh Muslim University (1966). He has frequently visited Dawoodi Bohra centres all over the world to personally imbibe Islamic values in his followers, a practice he has continued even at an advanced age. He spends many hours each day attending to the needs of the Dawoodi Bohras, who seek his advice on all aspects of life, even on matters such as the choice of name for a newborn. His charitable endeavors, promotion of institutes and trusts for educational and economic welfare, support of projects on environmental issues and renovation activities have earned him international recognition, including the highest civilian honors of Egypt (1976) and Jordan (1981).
A brief introduction Dawoodi Bohra
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very soon another group will break off and call themselves ajgeri bohras or insaap bohras the name has not been decided upon hence the delay.This is group which will usher the bohras into the new 21 century with a lot of new ideas,the person who has written most books will be the dai,the one who lies the most will be the mazoon and for the first time in history of bohras there will be no shariat to follow no namaz,zakat,haj and jihad willbe reformed to suit everyone.there will elections in every jamaat and no sabil or any taxes. keep reading on this post for this exciting new project
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by profrog:
very soon another group will break off and call themselves ajgeri bohras or insaap bohras the name has not been decided upon hence the delay.This is group which will usher the bohras into the new 21 century with a lot of new ideas,the person who has written most books will be the dai,the one who lies the most will be the mazoon and for the first time in history of bohras there will be no shariat to follow no namaz,zakat,haj and jihad willbe reformed to suit everyone.there will elections in every jamaat and no sabil or any taxes. keep reading on this post for this exciting new project[/Q
New ideas always welcome, if it helps the community on the whole, unlike what is happening now in the Burhani era, where people are only asked to follow what syedna preaches.
Dai or Imam or any x..y..z is good for mentally retarded blind-followers like yourself.
"The one who lies the most will be mazoon" Its syedna mohammed burhanuddin (dai-ul-mutlaq) in the bohra community.
To follow shariat, is ones own business. However zakat will go directly to the needy unlike in this Burhani era, where there is zero accountability.
Nothing wrong in elections, If it brings about transparency and accountability, why not?
very soon another group will break off and call themselves ajgeri bohras or insaap bohras the name has not been decided upon hence the delay.This is group which will usher the bohras into the new 21 century with a lot of new ideas,the person who has written most books will be the dai,the one who lies the most will be the mazoon and for the first time in history of bohras there will be no shariat to follow no namaz,zakat,haj and jihad willbe reformed to suit everyone.there will elections in every jamaat and no sabil or any taxes. keep reading on this post for this exciting new project[/Q
New ideas always welcome, if it helps the community on the whole, unlike what is happening now in the Burhani era, where people are only asked to follow what syedna preaches.
Dai or Imam or any x..y..z is good for mentally retarded blind-followers like yourself.
"The one who lies the most will be mazoon" Its syedna mohammed burhanuddin (dai-ul-mutlaq) in the bohra community.
To follow shariat, is ones own business. However zakat will go directly to the needy unlike in this Burhani era, where there is zero accountability.
Nothing wrong in elections, If it brings about transparency and accountability, why not?
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The 52nd Dai, His Holiness, Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, currently heads the Dawoodi Bohra Jamaat (community). His Holiness is an accomplished scholar
There are many scholars in this world, All human beings, Not demi-gods, who are worshipped day-in and day-out.
There are many scholars in this world, All human beings, Not demi-gods, who are worshipped day-in and day-out.
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thats what i said that the new dawat will have no constraints what so ever you will be free to do what you want and asger and insap will take you to jannat
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ajger and insaap will collect no money so there will be no accountiblity problens that you have right now
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Well,
Our (we, dawoodi bohra) main purpose on this Earth is to be the best person we can be and get others to belive in God and his Prophet.Period.
If we don't have anything or anyone to make us question about our faith then we could never tell who really believes in God and his Prophet.
thank you.
Our (we, dawoodi bohra) main purpose on this Earth is to be the best person we can be and get others to belive in God and his Prophet.Period.
If we don't have anything or anyone to make us question about our faith then we could never tell who really believes in God and his Prophet.
thank you.
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Did propig take some English classess?Hhis recent posts are so polished. It looks like a team of Kotharis are using this handle to keep an eye on this site.
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Br. Gulf
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You said:
Bohra's are Shaias. Shias are believer in Ahl-e-Bait.
Infect Ismailis believe (Batini belief) that Prophet SAW is accidental Prophet. Gibreal made mistake and gave Qur'an to wrong person. It was suppose to go to Ali RA.
Now that said, Your Rabb-ul-Dawat is 'Pakka Hussein Bhakt'. Name of Hussein rolls off his tongue more often then Allah SWT. In fact he thinks Hussein is so powerful that he can grant child to Zachariah even though Zachariah was born some 1500 years before Hussein.(Ref:Reflection on the First Waaz-Ashara Mubaraka 1428H)
Wasalaam
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Your Rabb-Ul-Dawat beats his chest and exhorts bohras to do Maatam day and night.
If Bohras believed in “God and Prophet, Period”, then I do not think there would be any difference between Bohras and 85% of other Muslims.
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You said:
Brother, either you are lying or practicing 'Taqiya'.Our (we, dawoodi bohra) main purpose on this Earth is to be the best person we can be and get others to belive in God and his Prophet.Period .
Bohra's are Shaias. Shias are believer in Ahl-e-Bait.
Infect Ismailis believe (Batini belief) that Prophet SAW is accidental Prophet. Gibreal made mistake and gave Qur'an to wrong person. It was suppose to go to Ali RA.
Now that said, Your Rabb-ul-Dawat is 'Pakka Hussein Bhakt'. Name of Hussein rolls off his tongue more often then Allah SWT. In fact he thinks Hussein is so powerful that he can grant child to Zachariah even though Zachariah was born some 1500 years before Hussein.(Ref:Reflection on the First Waaz-Ashara Mubaraka 1428H)
Wasalaam
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Your Rabb-Ul-Dawat beats his chest and exhorts bohras to do Maatam day and night.
If Bohras believed in “God and Prophet, Period”, then I do not think there would be any difference between Bohras and 85% of other Muslims.
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Musli First,Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Infect Ismailis believe (Batini belief) that Prophet SAW is accidental Prophet. Gibreal made mistake and gave Qur'an to wrong person. It was suppose to go to Ali RA.
Which authentic Ismaili/Bohra book and/or personality makes such a claim?
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Propig is kothar,read his name
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Muslim First,
The belief you mentioned in the belief of Duruz Shai Muslims who are mainly in Lehanon and Syria. In Syria they are also known as Alavi.
Ismaili or Bohras do not claim that. They however EQUATE Ali with Mohammad. Listen and read them carefully and you will notice that they will always mention Both being same, equal, inseperable etc. Ali was not prophet but it is Ali's descendants who are Imams till Qayamat. So indirectly Ali stature has been glorified more. If you talk of Islam - then yes, this is a totally wrong and unacceptable belief.
Burhan harps more on Hussain then even God - Right!! As I have been saying Hussain is Christ of Bohras. This is all Power Politics. This is to stay different, to stay in power and have something so powerful and strong that people will think twice going against. They found this - Hussain, Zikr-e-Hussain, Matam and alike. This keeps the masses intact and to them. Note at masjids they make their stooges sit at every corner and every now and then they will shout 'Yosain' and people will suddenly wake up and start beating their chests. What else would you expect when they openly say Matam is Ebadat, Zikr-e-Hussain is as good as Telawat-e-Quran.
So let me summarize - for Bohras Hussain is more than Mohammad!!
The belief you mentioned in the belief of Duruz Shai Muslims who are mainly in Lehanon and Syria. In Syria they are also known as Alavi.
Ismaili or Bohras do not claim that. They however EQUATE Ali with Mohammad. Listen and read them carefully and you will notice that they will always mention Both being same, equal, inseperable etc. Ali was not prophet but it is Ali's descendants who are Imams till Qayamat. So indirectly Ali stature has been glorified more. If you talk of Islam - then yes, this is a totally wrong and unacceptable belief.
Burhan harps more on Hussain then even God - Right!! As I have been saying Hussain is Christ of Bohras. This is all Power Politics. This is to stay different, to stay in power and have something so powerful and strong that people will think twice going against. They found this - Hussain, Zikr-e-Hussain, Matam and alike. This keeps the masses intact and to them. Note at masjids they make their stooges sit at every corner and every now and then they will shout 'Yosain' and people will suddenly wake up and start beating their chests. What else would you expect when they openly say Matam is Ebadat, Zikr-e-Hussain is as good as Telawat-e-Quran.
So let me summarize - for Bohras Hussain is more than Mohammad!!
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Druze and Alavi believe Jibraeel made a mistake by bringing Quran to Muhammad and not Ali over 23 years?? Provide authentic reference for your assertion.Originally posted by JC:
The belief you mentioned in the belief of Duruz Shai Muslims who are mainly in Lehanon and Syria. In Syria they are also known as Alavi.
You say Bohras equate Ali with Muhammad and then immediately say that they glorify Ali's stature more? How do Bohras do that?Originally posted by JC:
Ismaili or Bohras do not claim that. They however EQUATE Ali with Mohammad. Listen and read them carefully and you will notice that they will always mention Both being same, equal, inseperable etc. Ali was not prophet but it is Ali's descendants who are Imams till Qayamat. So indirectly Ali stature has been glorified more. If you talk of Islam - then yes, this is a totally wrong and unacceptable belief.
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porus,
Have you ever heard a bohra say Ya Mohammed? How about Ya Ali?
Have you ever heard a bohra say Ya Mohammed? How about Ya Ali?
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anajmi,
I hear Bohras saying 'Yallah" (Ya Allah) much more frequently than 'Ya Ali'. I do not often hear them saying 'Ya Rasulallah'.
There is a good reason why Shia invoke Ali. That is, according to their hadith, a recommendation of the Prophet. Remember, the first person to offer help to Prophet at the start of his mission was Ali. If Prophet asks Ali for help, why shouldn't Bohras do the same?
I never hear Bohras saying 'Ya Husain' except during ritual maatam.
That is all beside the point. I want Muslim First to produce proof for his statement about Ismaili/Bohra belief that 'Jibrail kept erring for 23 years by delivering Quran to Muhammad when he should have been delivering it to Ali'. Ali was about 10 years old when the first ayat was revealed to Muhammad.
This is a good example of Sunni extremist mischief making to cause problems amongst Muslims.
Sociologically, every sect tries to define itself by distinguishing itself from others.
Shia by emphasizing Ali.
Ithna-asharis by emphasing the "masoomin"
Ismailies by emphasizing Aga Khan
Bohras by emphasizing Sayedna and so on.
That does not mean that they respect Muhammad less. As an ex-bohra, you probably know who is at the centre of the small and large tashahud in namaaz. It is Muhammad and not Ali.
I encourage you to prompt your fellow Sunni Muslim First to produce proof for his assertion or to apologize to Bohras on this board.
I hear Bohras saying 'Yallah" (Ya Allah) much more frequently than 'Ya Ali'. I do not often hear them saying 'Ya Rasulallah'.
There is a good reason why Shia invoke Ali. That is, according to their hadith, a recommendation of the Prophet. Remember, the first person to offer help to Prophet at the start of his mission was Ali. If Prophet asks Ali for help, why shouldn't Bohras do the same?
I never hear Bohras saying 'Ya Husain' except during ritual maatam.
That is all beside the point. I want Muslim First to produce proof for his statement about Ismaili/Bohra belief that 'Jibrail kept erring for 23 years by delivering Quran to Muhammad when he should have been delivering it to Ali'. Ali was about 10 years old when the first ayat was revealed to Muhammad.
This is a good example of Sunni extremist mischief making to cause problems amongst Muslims.
Sociologically, every sect tries to define itself by distinguishing itself from others.
Shia by emphasizing Ali.
Ithna-asharis by emphasing the "masoomin"
Ismailies by emphasizing Aga Khan
Bohras by emphasizing Sayedna and so on.
That does not mean that they respect Muhammad less. As an ex-bohra, you probably know who is at the centre of the small and large tashahud in namaaz. It is Muhammad and not Ali.
I encourage you to prompt your fellow Sunni Muslim First to produce proof for his assertion or to apologize to Bohras on this board.
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porus,
I am sure you know the modification in the tashahud "Ashaduanna Maulana Ali-un-waliyullah".
As far as the assertion of Girael delivering the message to the wrong guy is concerned, I have heard Sunnis ascribing that to Shias but have never heard a shia alim say it.
Actually, the first person that provided help to the prophet was Hazrat Khadija. Hazrat Ali was just a child then, as you correctly pointed out. Besides, the time when the prophet asked Hazrat Ali's help, I am assuming that Hazrat Ali was alive.If Prophet asks Ali for help, why shouldn't Bohras do the same?
Unfortunately for these sects, they have chosen the wrong kind of idols to help them. Either they are dead or powerless against the will of Allah.Sociologically, every sect tries to define itself by distinguishing itself from others.
Shia by emphasizing Ali.
Ithna-asharis by emphasing the "masoomin"
Ismailies by emphasizing Aga Khan
Bohras by emphasizing Sayedna and so on.
I am sure you know the modification in the tashahud "Ashaduanna Maulana Ali-un-waliyullah".
As far as the assertion of Girael delivering the message to the wrong guy is concerned, I have heard Sunnis ascribing that to Shias but have never heard a shia alim say it.
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And as far as apologizing is concerned, I am sure I can come up with a few things that even you might have to apologize for. Besides, bohras believe a lot of things that have no basis in the quran or the sunnah of the prophet. I am sure you know some of them.
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anajmi,
I do not care what your opinions about Bohras are as long as they relate to facts. I only ask that you do not fabricate a lie to make yourself appear superior.
There is enough in Bohras for you to criticise purely on a factual level.
That Ali is Allah's Wali is a well-known article of the Shia faith. It is part of their shahada and adhaan. What do their tashahusds say about Muhammad? That he was an accidental prophet?
What surprises me is that you came to aid MF in sustaining his mischief making.
As far as life and death are concerned, you should be aware of the Shia beliefs. For the Shia, Ali is alive. As a Wahhabi dupe, you can criticise that statement and consider the Shia to be idolators. I will accept that from you.
Just as I have criticised your belief about having experienced God as a very tall tale. I have no doubt that you believe it sincerely. I give Bohras the same benefit.
I do not care what your opinions about Bohras are as long as they relate to facts. I only ask that you do not fabricate a lie to make yourself appear superior.
There is enough in Bohras for you to criticise purely on a factual level.
That Ali is Allah's Wali is a well-known article of the Shia faith. It is part of their shahada and adhaan. What do their tashahusds say about Muhammad? That he was an accidental prophet?
What surprises me is that you came to aid MF in sustaining his mischief making.
As far as life and death are concerned, you should be aware of the Shia beliefs. For the Shia, Ali is alive. As a Wahhabi dupe, you can criticise that statement and consider the Shia to be idolators. I will accept that from you.
Just as I have criticised your belief about having experienced God as a very tall tale. I have no doubt that you believe it sincerely. I give Bohras the same benefit.
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porus,
I am sure you give the same benefit even to those that believe in Hanuman swallowing the sun. If you give Muslim First the same benefit, I am sure it will do him a world of good. Besides, if you give the same benefit to everybody you might even want to consider the fact that you might actually be simply wasting your time on this board.
I do not claim that the tashahud says that the prophet was an accidental prophet. I simply insist on the fact that the Bohras give a higher stature to Hazrat Ali as I have proven, otherwise why would Hazrat Ali be alive and the prophet Muhammed dead?
These bohra beliefs have no basis on the quran or the sunnah of the prophet. Which is why they are misguided muslims. Still, they are better than dis-believers like yourself.
Your criticism of my beliefs, which are based upon the quran, the sunnah and the beliefs of other great people like the prophet Muhammed and Hazrat Ali, is based not upon fact, but simply your own beliefs which actually are a figment of your imagination. Imagination that has gone awry.
Consider you claim about no one having experienced God. Now if this claim were to be made by someone who actually believed in the existence of God, it would deserve a second thought. Coming from you, who does not believe in the existence of God, it sounds - conniving. If God does not exist, I don't think it would be possible to experience him.
Your claim is simply designed to prove your own belief which is literally, a figment of your imagination.
I am sure you give the same benefit even to those that believe in Hanuman swallowing the sun. If you give Muslim First the same benefit, I am sure it will do him a world of good. Besides, if you give the same benefit to everybody you might even want to consider the fact that you might actually be simply wasting your time on this board.
I do not claim that the tashahud says that the prophet was an accidental prophet. I simply insist on the fact that the Bohras give a higher stature to Hazrat Ali as I have proven, otherwise why would Hazrat Ali be alive and the prophet Muhammed dead?
These bohra beliefs have no basis on the quran or the sunnah of the prophet. Which is why they are misguided muslims. Still, they are better than dis-believers like yourself.
Your criticism of my beliefs, which are based upon the quran, the sunnah and the beliefs of other great people like the prophet Muhammed and Hazrat Ali, is based not upon fact, but simply your own beliefs which actually are a figment of your imagination. Imagination that has gone awry.
Consider you claim about no one having experienced God. Now if this claim were to be made by someone who actually believed in the existence of God, it would deserve a second thought. Coming from you, who does not believe in the existence of God, it sounds - conniving. If God does not exist, I don't think it would be possible to experience him.
Your claim is simply designed to prove your own belief which is literally, a figment of your imagination.
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Let me deal with anajmi's red herring to deflect attention from Muslim First's calumny against Bohras.
I think that I am wasting my time responding to you.
Hindu scriptures state that Hanuman swallowed the sun. If I said that, it would not be a lie. Muslim First has the benefit of an opportunity to support his claim with evidence. He is silent. Maybe, he is still researching.I am sure you give the same benefit even to those that believe in Hanuman swallowing the sun. If you give Muslim First the same benefit, I am sure it will do him a world of good. Besides, if you give the same benefit to everybody you might even want to consider the fact that you might actually be simply wasting your time on this board.
I think that I am wasting my time responding to you.
Both Muhammad and Ali are dead. Bohras visit their graves. For Bohras, they are both spiritually alive. You have proven nothing.I do not claim that the tashahud says that the prophet was an accidental prophet. I simply insist on the fact that the Bohras give a higher stature to Hazrat Ali as I have proven, otherwise why would Hazrat Ali be alive and the prophet Muhammed dead?
Bohras have their interpretation of the Quran. You have yours. I have mine They are all equally valid.These bohra beliefs have no basis on the quran or the sunnah of the prophet. Which is why they are misguided muslims. Still, they are better than dis-believers like yourself.
Your beliefs are other peoples' beliefs that you have adopted. They are figments of your imagination. My beliefs are my own. Yes, they are figments of my imagination.Your criticism of my beliefs, which are based upon the quran, the sunnah and the beliefs of other great people like the prophet Muhammed and Hazrat Ali, is based not upon fact, but simply your own beliefs which actually are a figment of your imagination. Imagination that has gone awry.
I have made no claim about existence or non-existence of God. It is a metaphysical speculation of the First Cause. God is not a creation that anyone can experience. if you claim that you have experience of God, then it is simply a delusion, because God has no form, no substance which can register in human consciousness.Consider you claim about no one having experienced God. Now if this claim were to be made by someone who actually believed in the existence of God, it would deserve a second thought. Coming from you, who does not believe in the existence of God, it sounds - conniving. If God does not exist, I don't think it would be possible to experience him.
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anajmi,
Stick to the point. Dnot veer away from the subject by always pointing out my beliefs and unbeliefs. I have told you many times that my beliefs for which I cannot provide any evidence are figments of my imagination. All your beliefs are figments of your imagination. This is not what is at issue here.
All your 'experience' comes from how sensory and imaginary data is held in your mind. I do not wish to go over this again.
Get back to your defence of MF when he lies about what Bohras believe about 'Muhammad being an accidental prophet. It should have been Ali for whom Quran was meant to be delivered.'
That is an issue. My beliefs do not enter in this argument. Stop throwing a red herring.
Whether Bohras elevate Ali above Muhammad, by the way another lie of yours, or they elevate Sayedna above God is not an issue here.
Stick to the point. Dnot veer away from the subject by always pointing out my beliefs and unbeliefs. I have told you many times that my beliefs for which I cannot provide any evidence are figments of my imagination. All your beliefs are figments of your imagination. This is not what is at issue here.
All your 'experience' comes from how sensory and imaginary data is held in your mind. I do not wish to go over this again.
Get back to your defence of MF when he lies about what Bohras believe about 'Muhammad being an accidental prophet. It should have been Ali for whom Quran was meant to be delivered.'
That is an issue. My beliefs do not enter in this argument. Stop throwing a red herring.
Whether Bohras elevate Ali above Muhammad, by the way another lie of yours, or they elevate Sayedna above God is not an issue here.
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Now that would classify as a true lie. As stated before, my beliefs are based upon the quran, the sunnah of the prophet and great people like Hazrat Ali.All your beliefs are figments of your imagination.
Besides, and this too I have stated before but for some reason you seem to overlook it each time in defense of your imagination, I did not initiate this conversation trying to defend Muslim First, simply to show that Bohras elevate Hazrat Ali above the prophet and I have shown that. That you choose not to believe it is simply your belief.
Maybe you should give similar benefit to Muslim First. Maybe what he said is a figment of his imagination. Doesn't mean that it cannot be true right? After all, all your beliefs appear true, atleast to you.My beliefs are my own. Yes, they are figments of my imagination.
I am yet to see a bohra interpretation of the quran. If you have a copy please let me have it. If none exists, then it is nothing but a tall tale.Bohras have their interpretation of the Quran. You have yours. I have mine They are all equally valid.
If my beliefs are other peoples' adopted beliefs, how can they be figments of my imagination? They'd originally have to be figments of their imagination, unless they were able to convince others that what they were saying was the truth. Then it wouldn't be considered as figments of their imagination but the truth. I am amongst the ones who has been convinced - a believer.Your beliefs are other peoples' beliefs that you have adopted. They are figments of your imagination.
I think it is time you decided to step off the fence. It might not be too good for your private parts to remain on it for too long.I have made no claim about existence or non-existence of God.
Now I am assuming that you are smoking something which must be pretty damn good and completely forbidden. Unless you can prove to me that what is not created cannot be experienced (now I must be completely delusional cause there is no way in heaven or hell that you can prove that) all that you've said is simply a figment of your imagination (caused by all that smoking I guess).It is a metaphysical speculation of the First Cause. God is not a creation that anyone can experience. if you claim that you have experience of God, then it is simply a delusion, because God has no form, no substance which can register in human consciousness.
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I love watching you dance to my tunes. Is there any reason then that bohras invoke Hazrat Ali more than prophet Muhammed or Allah himself? Have you ever heard bohras say - "Ya Allah Madad"? How about "Ya Rasulullah Madad"? What about "Ya Ali Madad"?Both Muhammad and Ali are dead. Bohras visit their graves. For Bohras, they are both spiritually alive. You have proven nothing.
Is Hazrat Khadija spiritually alive too? Can I say "Ya Khadija Madad"? What about Abu Talib. He was the biggest helper of the prophet. Is he spiritually alive too? Can I say "Ya Abu Talib Madad"?
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anajmi,
You don't get it, do you? You can ask anyone for help, dead or alive.
If they are dead, their spirits will listen to you. Don't you believe in life after death? Muslims invoke blessing on Muhammad. If he is dead, how is that going to affect him, unless they believe he lives beyond grave.
Since everyone is subject to same laws, everyone one must live beyond their graves.
Now get back to the subject. I will not respond to further red herrings from you in this thread.
You don't get it, do you? You can ask anyone for help, dead or alive.
If they are dead, their spirits will listen to you. Don't you believe in life after death? Muslims invoke blessing on Muhammad. If he is dead, how is that going to affect him, unless they believe he lives beyond grave.
Since everyone is subject to same laws, everyone one must live beyond their graves.
Now get back to the subject. I will not respond to further red herrings from you in this thread.
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porus,
You shouldn't have responded to the previous ones either. Now you need to go see the doctor about your foot real soon. You've been shooting it for quite some time now.
You can ask anyone for help, dead or alive. That is true. But are they capable of helping you? Isn't that the more important question. I can ask a dead donkey for help, and if I were you I would even give myself the benefit for it.
The blessings invoked on the prophet are for the day of judgment and the hereafter when everybody will live. Even you!!
You shouldn't have responded to the previous ones either. Now you need to go see the doctor about your foot real soon. You've been shooting it for quite some time now.
You can ask anyone for help, dead or alive. That is true. But are they capable of helping you? Isn't that the more important question. I can ask a dead donkey for help, and if I were you I would even give myself the benefit for it.
The blessings invoked on the prophet are for the day of judgment and the hereafter when everybody will live. Even you!!