What is the use of Bohras Zakaat?

[Rebel]

These are one of the various ways the Bohra Zakat is used i.e. to pamper the rich Arab Sheikhs so that they can carry on their unislamic activities in their country unhindered :-

What??? So many people in the community living below poverty line and these people giving money to the richest people on earth..now confirms there is really something psychologically wrong with MS's head. Is he completely disoriented?

[Rebel]

Lol...It says worldwide...Arabs supplying clean water world wide benefactor His Jollyness MS and the gang.

[Rebel]

Well these bhaisahebs and Amils work day and night 9 to 5 jobs even doing night shifts, no wonder they earn so much that live in mahals, eating boti tikka, najwas, salams etc etc etc...all wajebats and zakats goes in their banks and they travel private jets with superior vehicles...now they are sooo educated that they earn more than CEO's of Fortune 500.

[WiththenameofAllah]

these aiyashi is being done by bhaisahebs and Amils on our zakats.

Post proof or shut up.

The lavish offices of the amils , masjids ... all are a good enough proof. They have started a new scheme qarz e hasana .astaghfirullah.

[MMH]

These are one of the various ways the Bohra Zakat is used i.e. to pamper the rich Arab Sheikhs so that they can carry on their unislamic activities in their country unhindered :-

What??? So many people in the community living below poverty line and these people giving money to the richest people on earth..now confirms there is really something psychologically wrong with MS's head. Is he completely disoriented?

This is Kinana b.s of DXB, I think this is a political move in order to bribe the hukumat as they have a lot of objections to all activities during Ramadan and in general. In a way this is a piecemeal situation and will ease their scrutiny over us during this holy month. This year there was no permission given to have imamats at markaz's and they have sealed off one of our markaz's in the New Dubai area (all the new developments beyond Burj Khalifa) hence there are masala space constraints.

[Rebel]

I feel this bhaisaheb should be lathi charged for bribing - only then he and other bhaisahebs will come to their senses Islam prohibits bribery and kothar openly does it.

[MMH]

I feel this bhaisaheb should be lathi charged for bribing - only then he and other bhaisahebs will come to their senses Islam prohibits bribery and kothar openly does it.

Bribe in a legitimate way. He is contributing to a cause which is popular this Ramadan, the cause is named after the ruler of DXB, and then they will ease up monitoring Bohras in Ramadaan. Its like 'I scratch your back, you scratch mine'

Basically the religious counsel in DXB is a Saudi and they are dead against all the things we do. This contribution will not change their opinion but it will at least let all our activities continue.

[Rebel]

You mean the activities of loot maar by the bhaisahebs from the members of the community or praying namaz the shortest possible ways and eating delicious ghee laden food to increase our chances of coronary bypass surgeries.

[WiththenameofAllah]

I feel this bhaisaheb should be lathi charged for bribing - only then he and other bhaisahebs will come to their senses Islam prohibits bribery and kothar openly does it.

Bribe in a legitimate way. He is contributing to a cause which is popular this Ramadan, the cause is named after the ruler of DXB, and then they will ease up monitoring Bohras in Ramadaan. Its like 'I scratch your back, you scratch mine'

Basically the religious counsel in DXB is a Saudi and they are dead against all the things we do. This contribution will not change their opinion but it will at least let all our activities continue.

Atleast now they do not give hour lecture in dubai. New dubai markaz is on brother. I am glad we have rebels in dubai also.dubai jammat in some cases is entirely different from what I see in pakistn anf india.

[Rebel]

How is DXB jamat different? Do they extort less money there?

[Invictius]

no use. keep your money to yourself only and enjoy.

[WiththenameofAllah]

How is DXB jamat different? Do they extort less money there?

One rich man zakat = 50,000 aed ! Then with their name they give it to water aid.

[james]

Post proof or shut up.

The lavish offices of the amils , masjids ... all are a good enough proof. They have started a new scheme qarz e hasana .astaghfirullah.

Typing "lavish offices of the amils, masjids ... " doesn't equate to providing proof that such expenses were paid from the zakat given by mumineen.

And,I am not surprised to see you equate masjids = aiyashi .Shame on you.

[MMH]

Bribe in a legitimate way. He is contributing to a cause which is popular this Ramadan, the cause is named after the ruler of DXB, and then they will ease up monitoring Bohras in Ramadaan. Its like 'I scratch your back, you scratch mine'

Basically the religious counsel in DXB is a Saudi and they are dead against all the things we do. This contribution will not change their opinion but it will at least let all our activities continue.

Atleast now they do not give hour lecture in dubai. New dubai markaz is on brother. I am glad we have rebels in dubai also.dubai jammat in some cases is entirely different from what I see in pakistn anf india.

The new markaz had been sealed off in the month of Shaban. There are no prayers happening there.

[fustrate_Bohra]

Seriously, i am really fed up and as this is the month of ramzaan my mother is discussing how much we should pay this time as wajebaat and other taxes? Am very well aware that my hard earned money will go to their ayashpana but i cant see immediate option to come out because of simple reasons, what in future if i want to go for karbala ziarat or haj or incase of any unfortunate incidence as for all these we require their services.

This time we had planned to give less than what we can, if they accept its well and good else will see later but we will not give them what they say even though if its on installment basis.


I think this will be the common problem who are in ms fold(unwillingly) and would like to know how you all take this as i know after realizing their kartoots its very hard for us to shell out our single rupee to them.

[SBM]

what in future if i want to go for karbala ziarat or haj or incase of any unfortunate incidence as for all these we require their services.

Seems like you have more fear of Kothari Goons then the fear of Allaha.
You donot need anyone's Raza to go to Hajj or Karbala and any Muslim Cemetery will bury your dead after all we all go under six feet to the same soil.
What if after getting Ruku Chitti from SMS you may find out that he is not the real Dai as per the Judge, same way they did with SKQ, a mazoon for 50 years whose Rukku Chitti is buried with many die hard Abdes and now no one knows what happens to that Rukku Chitti?

[WiththenameofAllah]

Seriously, i am really fed up and as this is the month of ramzaan my mother is discussing how much we should pay this time as wajebaat and other taxes? Am very well aware that my hard earned money will go to their ayashpana but i cant see immediate option to come out because of simple reasons, what in future if i want to go for karbala ziarat or haj or incase of any unfortunate incidence as for all these we require their services.


I think this will be the common problem who are in ms fold(unwillingly) and would like to know how you all take this as i know after realizing their kartoots its very hard for us to shell out our single rupee to them.

Brother what is the use of giving zakath when it will not be accepted by Allah. I know it us difficult. We are all bound by our families.I am also. I want to get married to somebody but can't. My family will kll me but not marry me to a muslim. You are a man. Take a step now. Before you go to grave and have to answer Allah. No dai will come to save u or ur kids.. may Allah guide u to the right path.

[Ummul Bani]

Seriously, i am really fed up and as this is the month of ramzaan my mother is discussing how much we should pay this time as wajebaat and other taxes? Am very well aware that my hard earned money will go to their ayashpana but i cant see immediate option to come out because of simple reasons, what in future if i want to go for karbala ziarat or haj or incase of any unfortunate incidence as for all these we require their services.

This time we had planned to give less than what we can, if they accept its well and good else will see later but we will not give them what they say even though if its on installment basis.


I think this will be the common problem who are in ms fold(unwillingly) and would like to know how you all take this as i know after realizing their kartoots its very hard for us to shell out our single rupee to them.

Bro fustrate_Bohra,
What do you mean by "if they accept"?? They will accept!

Since you asked, let me suggest you something which has been tried and tested.
Do not pay your wajebat in the entire Ramadan. Let Ramadan get over. They will urge you to pay of course, by announcing the same, however thats the only thing they can do. They can NEVER stop you from attending prayers (and other Ramadan activities) even though you haven't paid up. This is because the prayers are not dependent upon you paying up.Remember,they can never openly admit or convey that people should pay up or else they wont be allowed to come to Masjid and offer prayers, can they?
After Ramadan you can pay up. Mark my words, you will not even have to initiate this, on the contrary , they will summon you. During Ramadan, they can force you to pay up as per their wish. After Ramadan, they take what you give. Sounds surprising, isn't it? Well, its true. They never say no to money even if they have to call you and ask for it upfront.

Also, dont let the Ramadan just pass by. Even though you may not pay up your wajebat (if you are considering my suggestion) , but you can always parallely do whatever charity you can, to the underprivileged.
Hope I helped!

[fustrate_Bohra]

Well said sister exactly this is what we are going to do this time when i said "If they accept" it means if they dont accept amount as per our wish we will go later after ramzaan.

I also agree they will never say no to money

Thanks sis you said exactly what i was planning.

But unfortunately atlast less or more we have to pay.

[Bohra spring]

Inshallah my zakat is paid this year .few hundreds of dollars remaining but by Eid will find a destination..and guess what not a cent went to kothar...most as direct payment to the needy, some to those who perform dawa, some to an Islamic masjid constructions in my locality.

It's so easy and it is so emotionally satisfying. Try it. 2.5% or more is not difficult maths.

Allah has not made your religion a burden but it as His Mercy.

[WiththenameofAllah]

Well said sister exactly this is what we are going to do this time when i said "If they accept" it means if they dont accept amount as per our wish we will go later after ramzaan.

I also agree they will never say no to money

Thanks sis you said exactly what i was planning.

But unfortunately atlast less or more we have to pay.

Zakath needs to be paid during Ramadan !

[alam]

Zakath needs to be paid during Ramadan !

Not necessarily! It's preferable in ramadaan only because sawaab is presumed to be 70X more. Thats all.

[silvertongue]

Paying Zakat in Ramdan is for Barakat purpose. Zakah is only payable on assets which have been held for one lunar year. The Zakah year starts only when a person first becomes Sahib-un-Nisab, i.e. the owner of wealth equal to or in excess of Nisab. An individual’s Zakah year starts on the date their wealth first equalled Nisab. The Zakah liability should be calculated every year thereafter on that date. If a person cannot remember the date he first became Sahib-un-Nisab, then he should best estimate that date. If a reasonable estimate of the date cannot be made, then a date should be fixed at random. The beginning of an individual’s Zakah year may be fixed in Ramadan, but this is not necessary. However, it is true to say that giving charity in Ramadan yields greater rewards than in other months.

There are some Conditions of Zakat as well:
i) Intention
It is mandatory to make the intention of giving Zakah either at the time of separating the amount payable or at the time of payment.

ii) Eligibility of Recipient
The recipient must be sufficiently poor so that the value of all their non-essential personal assets is less than the nisaab amount.

iii) Recipient’s Ownership
The recipient must be made to own the assets given in Zakah.* The donor cannot reserve any rights over the wealth given in Zakah.

iv) Prepaying Zakah
It is permissible to prepay Zakah for future years. In this case the amount that is pre paid can be offset against the actual Zakah liability incurred in future years. However at the time of payment the intention must clearly be for future years.

v) Payment in kind
Zakah can be paid in either as cash or in kind as long as the value of goods is equal to the cash amount and the recipient has agreed to accept the goods in kind.

[think]

you talk about paying zakah, but the big question "who to pay it to". kothar is a bunch of thugs using this money for their own use. would it not be better to use this money to help the poor and needy. And if that is so then any time of the year or day is better. The sawaab is on the deed not the time of the year whether it be ramadan or moharram or the month of Rajab, the month of Rasool.

[Rebel]

The lavish offices of the amils , masjids ... all are a good enough proof. They have started a new scheme qarz e hasana .astaghfirullah.[/quote]

Typing "lavish offices of the amils, masjids ... " doesn't equate to providing proof that such expenses were paid from the zakat given by mumineen.

And,I am not surprised to see you equate masjids = aiyashi .Shame on you.[/quote]

Then where is all the money coming from, all our zakat money is parked in banks and properties purchased for the Dai and his family, interest earned on money from banks etc. is used by them to live a lavish life. There is no austerity in the kothar and bhaisahebs life styles and all from our money. Where do you think all this aiyashi of these bhaisahebs coming from? Shame on you 007, shame on all these bhaisahebs living off all our hard earned money.

[anajmi]

ii) Eligibility of Recipient
The recipient must be sufficiently poor so that the value of all their non-essential personal assets is less than the nisaab amount.

The bohra zakat fails this eligibility test because they give their zakat to their Dai who is filthy rich under the false assumption that it gets distributed to the poor. If it did, the Dai wouldn't be filthy rich.

[Truth-Prevails]

On a different note (reposting in this thread)

A detailed white paper on Zakaat and other vajebaat as per Shariat Mohammedi and Sirat of Fatemi Imams and Duat. It is interesting that they have taken Shariat and made it applicable to today's time. This is not about - how much did you do last year. This year you have to double. I was told to triple my vajebaat last year so I actually did not give any as my Amil would not accept my calculated amount. So this year I know how to calculate and also know who to give it to.

http://fatemidawat.com/zakaat/

They have also give a form where you can put your input and calculate what your actual Zakaat is due.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http ... ations.pdf

[true islam]

bro frustrate bohra no need to pay any kind of money to the corrupt kothar gunndas. how will they stop you from going to hajj, or karbala? do you think they own those places? you can go with the other muslims.

[Mkenya]

bohra_spring: kudos to you and others like you who know and help the needy. I am proud to include myself in that noble club.
All these posts about the usage of the monies forced out the community and where and how it is used; timing of paying zakaat and wajebaat in the month of Ramadhan and its manifold sawaab (x70); the inter-family struggle of whether to pay or not or how much; and so on are just a lot of gas and futile. One has two options: either follow the majority or shut up and go elsewhere.

On a personal note I do not have far to look when Ramadhan arrives or all throughout the year. Many of my relatives in Kenya and Tanzania virtually shake in their pants when Ramadhan comes. For most of them the yearly incremental wajebaat and zakaat are like a vice. For me they are my charity. I know my money goes to the Kothar but that way I am at peace with my Allah and myself that I help the needy. One of my relatives in Arusha related to me his utter embarassment of attending namaaz when no two days pass without one of the Ayaans pesters him regarding Zakaat and Wajebaat. He simply does not have the money. He has actually sold off his wife's jewelleries over the last few years, business is slow, profit margins are thin, utilities are getting more expensive, groceries is expensive, etc. What is he to do? My heart goes to all others who face similar fate.

Contrast all that to the Maletujar Bohras in East Africa who pay thousands to Kothar, participate in all of Dai's travels,, drive in fancy cars, live in exclusive neighbourhoods, finance lavish weddings of their families. My sources confide in me that the Dai or his entourage has never questioned how the 'Kuber no bhandaar' was accumulated. 'Hera Feri', Gaba Ch*d*' 'haram khori', are the only way. Kotharis motto: 'Tu bor lai aaw, bor kyan thi tu lawe che teni mane nathi padi'.

One of the posts is interesting in that the advice was to pay after Ramadhan when one would be able to get away with paying substantially less. Therein lies the answer that from the beginning pressure is exerted under dubious pretext of sawaab or whatever. That touches the heartstrings of thousands of Bohras. The post-dated collection after Ramadhan is reminicent of 'Jetla haath ma, tetla mauma'.

[Bohra spring]

Ndugu Mkenya..salama ya Ramadhan...mtukufu Maula asili na Mtume SAW aku weke wewe salama pamojo jamii wako

I too many years ago had the guilt free feeling of absolving myself of responsibility under the notion that by giving wajebat I had done my duty. However after recently reading the deeper meaning of Islam , i drew conclusion that when we know blatant corruption within kothar and the Diai being of questionable character , islam instructs us to use our aql.

The world has provided so many options of finding the receivers of zakat through Africa and India and there are NGO that are far better in honesty than the kothar, I said better some too have faults but not like ours where they fly first class and go on shikar. So why would I pay them. The money paid to them is not considered zakat. If you pay them then have the niyat of paying them a fee to be part of their social club. As one would join a golf club.

Now regarding the golf club , if that club pollutes your iman then think ....but that is a different topic.

We have to know that Allah will question and demand an answer what we took for granted our obligations in full knowledge of the alternative. There is a time when claiming to be naive is stretching the Mercy.

Brother I urge you to try your best to find the recipients, I will not suggest who , but don't thrown good money to these people.